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6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
People say McDermott is too aggressive chasing points
But when he punted it against the dolphins on our own 30 yard line in the first quarter people said he was soft
He's damned when he's aggressive and he's damned when he's not
I'll never fault him for being aggressive myself.
He made the right decision to go for in on that 4th down against Houston.
I did fault him for punting against Miami
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Just now, Avisan said:
Solomon is unfortunately pretty garbage at DE and iirc Epenesa is nursing an injury. The org isn't just doing this for fun.
Ok but The options are play Solomon more at his natural position and let TJ play his natural position while taking out Jordan Phillips who is horrible.
Or play TJ sanders who is useless at end and continue to play Jordan Phillips.
It is a pretty easy choice IMO
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12 minutes ago, Avisan said:
We ran out of bodies
Anyone acting like the Bills WANT to be in this position is not a serious person
But I think like Epenesa played like 22 snaps and Solomon played 5.
Like Joe Marino said, why wouldn't you just bump the snap count up to 30 for AJ and like 15 for Solomon, and put TJ back is natural position, and take out the liability in Jordan Phillips?
Does not make much sense to me
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3 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said:
Lorenzo Alexander?!What's Trent Murphy up to also?
We could use a guy who occasionally sets the Edge with 0 pass rush
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Is Ryan Denney still available?
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Mcvay is such a good player caller.
Probably the best in the nfl at this point
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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:
He’s a contributor for sure. An alpha would push everyone to their more natural roles. If you added, Pickens, for example, now Palmer is 2 and Shakir in the slot. I think that they actually need a 2 as well.
At some point, guys have to win their matchups. There is almost never a time that the Bills WRs are better than the guys across from them. Some of that is a function of everyone being elevated. Josh Palmer should be the 3rd best outside guy. He’s the top. Shakir is a good slot. Coleman is a fringe NFL player. Samuel is a gadget guy that can’t stay healthy. A horrible Browns offense let Moore walk. Shavers was an UDFA that’s kicked around on the practice squad. These guys are lining up against starting NFL corners. They’re predictably getting locked up.
We are in the same agreement that the receivers aren't good. Where we disagree is how much it's on Joe Brady.
Cosell even broke down how elementary their passing concepts are, and says in practice they are more concerned about their receivers going over run blocking, opposed to the actual pass offence.
I just don't think it would change a lot if we had an alpha and I would point to 2023 as some evidence to back up my point. But we can agree to disagree.
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3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’m not sure that they’d “maximize” him. I’m sure that the passing game would improve because his talent would get him open some. That’s what good receivers do. That’s why they get paid what they do. It’s a very important role and is one of the most impactful positions on the team.
None of these WRs that they have were ever good. I think that they have combined for 2 seasons of 800 yards and 1 more at 700. That’s awful. These aren’t guys that are now struggling. They were never any good.
Fair. My overall point though is Joe Brady holds the passing offence back- We saw it in 2023 when the receivers were descent.
And to your point, the receivers also suck.
I just don't think if we had an alpha receiver, that it would dramatically change our offence as our passing concepts are extremely elementary -
Just now, Kirby Jackson said:
If you rank WR groups 1-32, the Bills would be no higher than 30 (maybe 32). If you ranked the job that OCs are doing 1-32, Brady isn’t going to be 30 or worse. It’s not an even split. You can’t coach up bad players. He hasn’t put them in position to overachieve but they’re so limited that it impacts what he can do.
Again, he’s been bad but compared to the talent at WR, they’re a significantly larger problem. He’s had success elsewhere. These guys haven’t.
Ok let's say this..
Diggs 2023 and Waddle right now. Probably pretty close for talent, right? Give or take.
And in 2023 Diggs production was awful when Joe Brady took over.
So my question to you is- Even if the bills traded for waddle, what makes you think the Bills would maximize the investment under Joe Brady?
As we had a good receiver with Diggs and a decent receiving group in totality in 2023, but the passing game production wasn't good when Brady took over -
Just now, Kirby Jackson said:
Brady hasn’t been good. I think though where there’s some disagreement is how much is him vs. the WRs. I’d say it’s 80-85% the talent at WR. It’s 15-20% the position that he’s putting those bad WRs in.
That's fair. I think the percentage is a bit more even though
The receivers suck, but every single receivers numbers are down since joining the bills with Brady
Moore can get over 600 yards with Cleveland but he can barely get a jersey on the bills?Diggs was on pace for over 1000 yards in 2023 with the bills but then his production takes a nose dive when Joe comes in.
Point being: The receivers are bad, but we have a pretty big sample size that most receivers usually have career low stats with joe brady, with the exception of maybe Shakir
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22 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Coaching is an issue. But they are losing WAY more downs because of talent than coaching.
For perspective, coaching is only an issue in the same regard that it is for the teams that have represented their conferences in the SB for the past few years.
If you disagree, give examples from what you've watched of those teams this year. I mean the angst in KC in general and in Philly over their REAL offensive struggles is legit.
These Bills came into the season with their thinnest and most rookie dependent roster since 2019.
They haven't been able to overcome the lost seasons of Oliver, Hoecht, Hairston, Rapp, Kincaid and Palmer........the terrible seasons of Benford, Johnson, Milano and Bernard....... and the armless month of Bosa. It's been a sh!t show personnel-wise.
Im not here to argue that the bills have good players on offence. They don't.
You just quoted saying that Joe Brady isn't a problem. I gave you the all 22 breakdown to show you he is a problem. Everything else is a moot point cause I'm not disagreeing with you that they don't have a lot of talent.
Two things can be true.
1. Joe Brady is a problem
2. The talent isn't good enough
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56 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Is it overrated when your biggest offensive threat this year has been your superstar running back?
You really think Daboll got hired as the Giants HC because he was a great play caller? Please. That was Schoen trying to bring in a coach he knows. Recreate the Bills method. And there are plenty of guys that have won a HC job being not the best play caller or someone who has ever called plays. Look at Mike McDaniel.
If you want to see how great an offensive mind Brian Daboll is, look at his time with the Giants in the window he called the plays. Look at his years in the league with any other team he's been on. I cannot wait til he's hired someplace else and people see him fail there too. Daboll's success is a product of Josh Allen.
Yes it is overrated cause that's how we built the offence lol. Look at the passing game struggles we have now because we revolved our offence around a RB.
It's overrated to have "balance". Just Score points... Andy Reid one of the best play callers in nfl history has historically been "bad" at abandoning the run.
Yes I do. He was literally coming off back to back playoff games where he took Spags and Belichick to school. What other coach can ever say that? Unless you're not going to give him any credit for that.
Mike McDaniel is the one exception lol... What other offensive coaches get hired when they weren't a good play caller beforehand? Serious question .
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48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
It's not news that the Bills do not have great coaching. But who does?
KC's HoF coaching staff can be cited for leaving wins on the table this year in the same regard.
The Eagles won the SB last year with a sh!t show at HC and a DC who the Bills OC's repeatedly beat like a rented mule in Denver and Miami. I mean how many times did the Bills make Fangio look like the game had passed him by?
Over the past couple of seasons I think the Bills rank higher as a coaching staff than as a roster. That's a problem because their roster begins with player #1 in the league. They just have ZERO elite talent at any other premium position.
It's left little to no margin for error.
And in that stretch of 24 wins in Brady's first 27 meaningful regular season games as OC they had just enough talent available to execute. And what Brady was doing was seen as innovative.
In the 2 losses last year and the 4 this year the common thread is not having all of their "modest" pass game weapons available and subsequent turnovers with players trying to do too much.
Well you stated that Joe Brady isn't a problem, so I assumed that implies you think coaching isn't an issue. (Which contradicts your first point and I was giving examples how it was a major problem)
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3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
I have always been on team "experienced play caller" I like guys that have done the job before. My thinking may have changed a bit since Thursday night. That defense that got 28 pressures and 8 sacks? Being run by a first time play caller. It definitely shows having a guy that is right for the job is more important as having a guy that's done the job before.
Daboll is absolutely not a good play caller. He showed that here when he would abandon the run early. He showed that in NY when he took play calling over from Kafka last year that he hasn't learned anything.
He's an OC that has been terrible throughout his career except for a very small blip when he had Allen and Diggs. He's Freddie Kitchens without the folksy charm.
That's a bit harsh IMO.
You don't get a head coaching job by being a poor play caller. He certainly didn't get it from being a "calm" leader lol.
Peak Bills offence in the McDermott era will always be 2021 playoffs when Daboll was calling plays.
Running the ball can be so overrated at times. Just score points.
Does anyone actually care that the Bills didn't run the ball a lot when they had the perfect game against New England in the playoffs, and then 36 points in the 13 seconds game ?
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8 minutes ago, vincec said:
The problem with this approach is that when the Bills kept a 6th and 7th man in Houston just rushed 1 or two more players, they didn’t drop them into coverage. There was no need because the coverage was already lights out. Houston got sacks when the Bills had 7 man protections in this game, like when trying play action.
Ya but you have to do something to help out your o line. Whether that's chipping, or keeping an extra guy into block. It's unacceptable to basically put your backup o lineman on an island against Will Anderson.
If you do leave 5 man protection, you NEED to have quick routes and not spam Mesh.
Joe Brady failed this offence in so many ways on Thursday night and it's remarkable Josh didn't leave with a serious injury-
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11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
You do realize you don't have to pick an OC with ugly nasty warts, right? I hope you don't choose women like you would an OC.
Pretty much every OC has flaws and bad play calls.
I don't think any fan base actually likes their OC. Even the chiefs are sick of Andy lol.
Daboll is a proven good play caller in this league who has a great relationship with Josh. I would rather him than someone like Davis Webb who has no experience calling plays
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19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Diggs was getting fed at the expense of the team. Personally, I thought Dorsey got scapegoated for giving the world what it wants.......Josh Allen throwing the ball all over the field. But Diggs was getting doubled and that allowed teams to put CB1 on Gabe Davis and make throwing to him extremely unproductive. The personnel wasn't there to make that the right approach and I thought Dorsey had already begun the changes a couple weeks prior that Brady would further lean into. They lost that Denver game because of a substitution error by McDermott at the end of the game. Dorsey got scapegoated but as I said at the time it wasn't a big dropoff and a shot in the arm couldn't hurt. Brady was capable.
They went from 5-5 at the time and then won 23 of their next 27 meaningful regular season games under Brady.
The issue here isn't the OC.
Does he have some ineffective calls we hate every week? Yes, but that only seems like a HUGE problem because the margin for error has diminished as the available talent has. As impotent as they've looked on the road they might have won those Atlanta and Houston games just having Glass Kincaid healthy.
https://youtu.be/UOknd4MmQOE?si=eB3GvjQ2OAgc0EIQ
I would highly recommend listening to Joe Marinos all 22 if you think Joe Brady isn't a problem.
Couple main things he goes over, which doesn't even include some of his goofy play calls:
1. Bills had a 5 man protection 90 percent of the time against Houston... Even though anyone could see their protection couldn't hold up and factoring in they were playing with a backup right tackle for parts of the game, the bills refused to help their o line with an extra blocker.
2. Bills relied way too much on mesh- These routes take forever to develop. So Joe Brady is spamming this concept, with a 5 man protection scheme that couldn't hold up🤮
3. Houston gave a ton of light boxes. Bills averaged 6 yards a run, but Cook only had 17 carries in the game.
No one is saying he has a ton to work with. But that doesn't excuse Joe Brady.And This is far from Joe Brady's only bad game. He is absolutely horrible at making in game adjustments
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Just now, Pete said:
If to fire Beane and Brady we have to fire McD- then fire all 3! Anything to get rid of Beane!!!!!!! Brady sucks as well
Yep all 3 of them are a big problem if we are being honest here.
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1 hour ago, Pete said:
It’s Beane. Then Brady. Those two are ruining the Bills and Josh imo
If you blame Brady, then you have to blame Mcdermott also.
1. Mcdermott hired him
2. He wanted a run first, clock control offence. Which is why him and Dabs didn't get along. Joe Brady is bad, but it's not going to change a lot if Mcdermott hand picks another conservative, clock control coordinator.
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50 minutes ago, eball said:
So the only question I have is…HOW CAN THIS BE TRUE AND THE COACHES CAN’T SEE IT? You’re essentially telling us that Brady and McDermott are complete idiots.
Is that what you believe?
Check the video that Einstein and Alpha posted in this thread and on this page with Emmanuel Acho breaking down the routes and protection
It basically confirms what @Einstein saw
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12 minutes ago, ***** said:
I’m not bragging but, this was evident very very early on to a casual fan, I’m sure NFL coaches noticed too:
Yep. I literally made a thread after that game saying the passing game was a problem and got laughed at with about 30 eye rolls lol.
It was so obvious to see. Just had to take off the homer glasses off and look at the film, and not the 3-0 start
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15 minutes ago, Andy1 said:
Cover One has a new video out with some interesting points. Basically the organizational problem is everyone from coordinators on up. Last night, Brady committed organizational malpractice by not adequately protecting the franchise - Josh, when it was plainly obvious to everyone that our 5 linemen could not block their 4 rushers. Brady refused to adapt and bring in an extra lineman or chip the D ends to help the line. And stupidly, they left Brown out there with a bad shoulder with no help. The receiver routes did not provide Josh with quick options. If Josh had a season ending injury, from that stupidity, this season and maybe next season would be over. Furthermore, McDermott was seemingly fine with the approach. They show no ability to adapt and learn. Clean house unless the unimaginable happens.
This is one of many things I can't stand about Mcdermott...
He has no problem calling joe brady out after games, but he NEVER steps in mid game to intervene.
Just like the atlanta game when cook wasn;t used in the 4th quarter. His quote after the game: "Ya ill talk to Joe about that"
He is the head coach... Instead of addressing these things mid game, he throws his coordinator under the bus after the game
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39 minutes ago, Einstein said:
Zero respect for our receivers. Single high, stacked inside the sticks
They KNOW we had no-one who could gain any separation.
That was probably some of the most depressing film I've ever seen lol.
Its amazing Josh got out of this game without a serious injury
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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
That's real nice from McDermott. Pat his side of the ball on the back for "great adjustments" while throwing his personally picked OC under the bus. You can practically see him crafting his offseason pitch to Terry Pegula in real time.
McDermott thrilled about giving up 23 points to a Davis Mills led team lol
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Game week thread - Bills at Steelers
in The Stadium Wall
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It is remarkable the year is 2025, and we are gonna see the defence have Jordan poyer, Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson play meaningful snaps lol.
Not hating on Poyer as he's been fine. But just crazy