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    Why are we so late to adjust defensively?

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    8 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:


     

    Like the Bills did on the Bengals first 3rd down - where we brought an extra LB and rushed 5, while simulating a 6 man rush?


     

    First 3rd down of the game - had 4 down and 2 LBs on the LOS - the announcer mentioned the Bills rarely blitz, but they brought 5 and 1 LB dropped into coverage.

     

     

    Shaq actually didn't rush the passer though. He was responsible for the back. If brown stayed in, he would have rushed. But Chase Brown went out for a route and Shaq followed him.

     

    So it was actually a 4 man rush to the quarterback if you watch that clip again

    Why are we so late to adjust defensively?

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    1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

    So is zone the issue or that we aren't getting hands on receivers that you take issue with?

     

    EDIT: I assume when you say press you're referring to a true jam at the line.

    Correct.

     

    Ya just more the zone in general. I just don't think you can do that against Joe burrow consistently, as it's just too easy for someone as smart as him 


    Of course you got to play it sometimes, as even the most man dominant defences in the nfl are probably around the 40-45% man mark or whatever it is

     

     

    Why are we so late to adjust defensively?

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    11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

    You ever think Joe burriw was just on a heater 

     

    he literally was making passes in the first half that were supreme touch throws with great catches.. Mike g had a crazy catch on a corner out with tight coverage 

     

    You can't beat a perfectly thrown football 

     

    And you just can't sit under their wide receivers and press them when we don't have a pass rush that is getting there... Houston could play more aggressive coverage than the bills can 

     

    We need to dial up our aggressiveness strategically.. and guess what it worked 

     

    Anybody who was thinking we were going to win this game 21 to 17 doesn't know Joe b was coming to play

    I really don't have an issue with the game plan after the first drive.

     

    My problem was the first drive and playing way too passive.


    After that they were more aggressive. They got beat at times and I can live with that.
     

    But I can't live with Joe burrow just chewing up zone time after time

    1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

    That whole first drive we were within 3 yards of the receiver from the LoS pre-snap. The only times we weren't was when we ran an Inverted 2 look and our corners were dropping out to play their Cover 2 drops, and one rep of 2 man where Tre bailed out early. Other than that our pre-snap presentation was very much a "press" look.

    Fair- but at the end of the day they weren't pressing, outside of the first 3rd down conversion.

     

    Maybe disguised press looks , but at the end of the day there was a ton of cushion for the most part on that first drive

    Why are we so late to adjust defensively?

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    1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

    The first third down was 2 man and we sent the backer.

     

    What coverage is soft zone? That term gets thrown around here a lot and doesn't mean anything.

    I'll have to re watch that first 3rd down as maybe I missed that.

     

    Ya I am saying it loosely. Essentially what I mean is they are playing zone coverage with lots of space off the receivers and are playing over the top.
     

    correct me if I'm wrong of course but that's what it looked like to me and Olsen mentioned that 2-3x on the opening drive also

     

    Game week thread - Bills at Patriots*

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    11 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

    I disagree.. the sentiment up here is the Pats are playing with house money and have already over achieved what most if not all reasonable people expected as far as win totals go.. Meanwhile the Bills are suppose to be the dominant team who should still be running the division with the Pats at least a good year or two away from challenging them. The pressure is squarely on the Bills to show the first game was a fluke and that the Bills are still one of the top 3 dominant team in the AFC. 
     

    I think it will be a close game again, I suspect Boutte will be the Pat WR with the big game as your team game plans to stop Diggs.  Question is will the Pats front 7 stop Cooks? Been rather porous since our star player went on IR. 

    I do think it's a bigger game for the patriots though.

     

    Bills don't really have a lot of pressure as they are pretty firmly going to be a wild card team barring anything crazy happening.


    Pats are playing for the 1 seed, and it's still a measuring stick game for them to see how really good they are.

     

     I think it will be gut punching for the Pats if the reigning 5X afc east champs came into their building in a December game, and made a statement

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    Why are we so late to adjust defensively?

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    9 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

    Sure, we did as well. They just converted. It happens.

    When did we send a pressure on the opening drive? I honestly don't remember that at all.

     

    Looked like they played some man coverage with 2 safeties on the first 3rd down when Higgins converted. 

     

    Everything after that looked like soft zone. Greg Olsen even called them out on it , especially on that 3rd and 7 around the 20-25 yard line.

    Why are we so late to adjust defensively?

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    3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

     

     

    DeMeco Ryan's defense forced an immediate 3 and out on the Chiefs opening possession, and Spag's D forced the Texans to punt after 7 plays on their opening possession.


    Somehow both those D Coaches were able to come in with enough data gathered ahead of time to be aggressive and force punts.

     

    Something, something, hard to win in the NFL, bend but dont break...

    Yep. Under no world is it acceptable to just sit back on your heels and let a team pick you apart for half the quarter.

     

    Especially knowing that Joe Burrow absolutely kills zone coverage 

    Why are we so late to adjust defensively?

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    6 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

    Did you watch last nights game? Rushed 4 dropped 7 the whole first drive. This happens more than you'd think.

    Yep I did, I think Houston had 5 plays their opening drive? Pretty hard to judge from that.

     

    I would almost guarantee that Spags would send pressure if there was a big 3rd down on the plus side of the field on that opening drive 

    Why are we so late to adjust defensively?

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    Posted · Edited by BillsFan130

    12 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

    I know a lot of us are in a bubble and mostly only watch Bills football, but this is like this in all of football. Come out in base, run calls you know your guys can execute in their sleep to ease them into the pace and tempo of the game while you see what your opponent is coming out in and what their plan will be to attack you. McDermott's been doing this a long time, he knew we wouldn't be able to sit back and rush 4 all day and be successful. He's also smart enough to have plans of action for different approaches based off what he's seeing from the offense. You need that first series to gather data then adjust from there all while hoping base d is enough to hold them on the first drive.

    Ya I'm not saying you're wrong, but I just don't know if I agree with that logic.

     

    Spotting a team 7 points while them taking 8 minutes of clock to open the game, can be the difference of winning or losing a tight game in the playoffs.

     

    To your first comment though- Ive never or rarely seen a Spags coached team open the game that passively 

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