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1 hour ago, Sweats said:
I actually don't think Diggs is elite. I think he's good, sometimes great, but elite?......he's not a player you can build a franchise around.
He was good in Minnesota and he's been good at times here, but i certainly wouldn't put him in the category of elite.
Was he ever a top 3-4 receiver in the league?
Maybe 2020, on the fringe.
Probably was borderline elite then, but he's definitely not now, that's for sure
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I can't see a scenario where Beane doesn't do it.
It's a no brainer ImO.
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2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:
Aaron is not elite
Who is Aaron?
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Just now, Buffalo716 said:
And that's why they're a tremendous defense
As I said you need all three levels...
But when I am talking about a game breaking player.. those are first ballad Hall of Fame type guys to me
Guys who do destroy games
Sneed is an excellent corner not debating that.. I just don't think he destroys games he needs help
Ya, I mean to your point Theres a reason why top pass rushers get paid 30-35 per year and corners are 20-25.
So I would agree pass rush is slightly more important, but definitely need both to have an elite defence. (As we both agree on)
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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:
he made plays
That is completely different then wrecking somebody's game plan week in and out .. like Allen can do or Bruce Smith
As I said Bruce Smith can destroy offensive lines all night and single-handedly dictate a game
Every single NFL cornerback is dependent on the pass rush... Even the best corners cannot run with good wide receivers for 5 seconds
They all get beat
So their corners success is also based on the front four
100% they work together
The best corners will not mask zero pass rush
Now this is true. But it also goes both ways.
If your corners can't cover for 2 seconds, the pass rush doesn't matter unless the o line is blowing assignments left, right and centre.
It has to Be a marriage between the pass rush and coverage in order to have a great defence.
Chiefs had it all. Great pass rush, and great coverage which made them a top 3 defence all season long
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1 minute ago, nedboy7 said:
Kincaid, Oliver and Bernard are coming close hopefully.
Yep. I think Oliver hit is ceiling which is fine as he's a very solid player.
Bernard and Kincaid def have the potential to be elite
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3 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:
OMG I had a huge brainfart lol 😂 thanks 😊
Hahah no problem buddy!
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9 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:
This is why Taron is a nickel corner. He is darn good but not elite. Top nickel corners tend to fit this mold. Our biggest problem right now at the CB 2 spot is Elam…this will be a make or break year for him.
The good news is that Elam isn't CB2 sir.
Will be Douglas and Benford with most likely Elam as the 3rd
8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:They had 1 players in PFFs top 101 of 2023. They have nowhere near enough top end talent. They are a balanced deep roster but lack “elite” talent.
Yep this is exactly my opinion on the state of their team as well
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1 minute ago, SCBills said:
No.
Which is why when people outlined Joe Marino’s off-season, it seems like a very plausible and likely prediction of what the Bills will do.
Which is what we’ve been doing.
Build a strong team, with good depth all over.
And that’s great for the regular season. Helps you withstand injuries (to a normal
extent). Allows for fresh bodies at certain position groups.
But then we get to the Playoffs, and nobody but Josh Allen steps up in the big games. Kelce does. Jones does. We don’t have that surrounding Allen.
So do we spend on one big time FA if one is available? Do we trade up and sacrifice picks/future picks? Or do we stay the course and hope Kincaid, maybe Bernard (?), whoever is at 28 etc can be those superstar big game difference makers?
Ya this is exactly it.
You got to think Beane knew they were missing some elite talent when they swung for the fences with Von in 2022.
Just unfortunately did not workout for them and it's gonna be a big relief when his contract clears off the books
1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:I didn't say the word elite
I used the word game breaker which he used also...
To me a game breaker is somebody who can single-handedly wreck a game...
Patrick mahomes and Josh Allen are game breakers... Tyreek Hill is a game breaker.. Chris Jones is a game breaker.. single-handedly can destroy a game plan
The bills have had two All-Pro cornerbacks here in the last 10 years.. Stefan Gilmore is going to the Hall of Fame
He's one of my favorite football players ever and I would never say Gilmore is a game breaker.. he's elite.. he does not destroy game plans
Neither does Sneed or McDuffie
They might be elite level NFL cornerbacks but I separate that from being a game breaker which is somebody who could single-handedly take over a game
The only corners I've ever seen take over a game are revis prime time and I like the champ Bailey
Ok maybe I used the word "game breakers" a bit loosely.
But they are elite players who are a massive part of a top 3 defence, who went on to win a superbowl .
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
Kansas City has a very good defense.. it literally takes three levels of cohesion to have a top NFL defense
The best cornerbacks in the world cannot cover if you do not have a pass rush... If the opposing quarterback has five seconds in the pocket every play you will get torched by Blaine gabbert
And vice versa if you have the best defensive line in the world.. or one of the best that constantly collapses pockets.. lesser cornerbacks look better because they don't have to cover as long
A good pass rush has always masked bad coverage for 60 years
Kansas City has a pass rush.. and good cornerbacks
Of course they have a good defense they are built the right way.. they can get to the quarterback and they have guys who can cover
But if they couldn't get to the quarterback those guys who are covering wouldn't matter because even Hall of famers get exposed when they have to run for 5 seconds
I know, I understand how a successful defence works.
The coverage has to marry the pass rush, and vice versa. Like I could argue and say Chris jones wouldn't make an impact as well if the corners can't cover for 2 seconds
If you don't think they are game breakers, all good. We will just have to respectfully agree to disagree
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Just now, Buffalo716 said:
Ryan Fitzpatrick is better than Brock purdy
Put prime fits on San Francisco with all those weapons...
Fitz has 200 touchdowns in over 30,000 yards playing with mainly scrubs and bad teams
Its not just against SF. Their defence was top 3 in the nfl all season.
I don't think Purdy is good as well, but at the end of the day they had a very successful passing offence all season long because of all Their weapons
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Just now, Buffalo716 said:
I don't think Snead or McDuffie are game breakers
They are really good cornerbacks.. but they're not deion Sanders... And they're not moving the spread that much
The bills had three All pro defensive backs for years and it doesn't stop elite quarterbacks... Josh still balls out versus Kansas City
I think mahomes and Kelce and Chris Jones are there pure game wreckers... Hall of Fame guys who can take over any game
By and large part cornerbacks do not take over games unless your name is derelle revis or Deion Sanders
Tre White and stephon Gilmore we're both elite level corners in Buffalo that had plenty of detractors because even elite corners get beat pretty reg
Our own Stefan diggs has made All-Pro Ramsey look like a bench warmer at times lol
You need great corners but they don't move the needle much on the spread and they really don't wreck the game
I don't know though. Those guys are unreal.
Like even in the SB- Purdy kept testing them and it didn't work out at all. And that's with throwing to Aiyuk/samuel, very good receivers.
When he started to go to Jennings, that's where he had success.I think those guys are game breakers as they dictate matchups, but that's just my opinion
2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:Why ? He plays the hardest position on the defense and does it very well.
I hear you. He just didn't perform too well in key situations ImO
-Gave up game winning TD to Gesicki
-Set up game winning field goal for Denver after blatant 25 yard PI call.
And let's be honest, he got away with murder when he hauled down Darren Waller in that giants last play.
Thats a lot of key mistakes for an "elite" player in my humble opinion
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1 minute ago, Einstein said:
No.
And Taron isn't "elite" in my opinion. He is top 5 at his limited position, but I have trouble labeling that elite. I know one can make the argument that if you're top 5 at any position, then you're "elite". But I wouldn't call a top 5 long snapper "elite" either.
I agree with you. I just put him in based on the criteria I put in as I wanted some objectivity.
I also don't think he's an elite player
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Just now, Buffalo716 said:
I understand that but the bills also have high end talent that isn't all pros either
Ed Oliver was top three for pure defensive tackles in the entire NFL for run stuffing tfl... Top three in sacks
Purely an animal now in the upper echelon of NFL
Diggs , Got suplexed earlier in the season and was clearly hampered the entire year.. still caught over 105 balls for close to 1200 yards
That would put him 6th in the AFC... Still completely upper echelon while being banged up
Dalton Kincaid broke every bills rookie tight end record... And will probably be a star with Josh Allen
Not to mention James Cook was second in the NFL in yards from scrimmage.. James Cook might not be the best running back in the NFL but he had one of the best seasons
For sure I don't disagree with you that the bills don't have good to very good players.
Like Oliver, Dawkins, cook, Douglas, bernard fit that bucket, plus even some more probably.
But I still think they lack true game breakers outside of Josh.
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1 minute ago, Robert Paulson said:
QB check
WR 1 not anymore
TE/WR 2 maybe
EDGE no
DT yes
LB will see with Milano
I'm not as concerned about not having $40M tied up in our starting secondary like we did the last 3 years. It got us bounced early. That money needs to go chunk plays, stops and turnovers.
we have 2 yes, and a bunch of maybe right now.
You think Ed Oliver is a top 3 DT in this league?
Chris Jones, Aaron donald, Maduabuike, Jeffrey Simmons, Dexter Lawrence?
Probably a few more as well you can debate ahead of Oliver
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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:
It's pretty premature to call McDuffie a top three cornerback in the NFL lol
Plenty of corners have short stints of success and fall off but to be top five you need to get it done for a long time.. he's no prime Gilmore
And people thought the Bills middle linebacker would suck this year only to be in shock and awe about how good our development can actually be
The bills have plenty of talent established and rising to contend
We got destroyed by the injury bug.. and still lost because of wide right
The Gap is not huge
If you read my post, I was putting any all pros as elite as I wanted to bring some objectively to this.
And he was voted 1st team all pro.
Taron isn't elite either in my opinion but I put him in because he was voted 2nd team all pro
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Just now, GoBills808 said:
Top guys get you over the top, we see it every year in the postseason
For example we love taron Johnson for what he brings but the space between his cover ability and McDuffie is enough to knock him from elite status w comparison to chiefs imo
Ya I agree. Taron in my opinion is a very good player, but isn't elite.
I was just trying to bring a little objectivity to it as he did get voted 2nd team all pro, so by the rule I made, had to technically say he was "elite"
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Just now, julian said:
I think it’s pretty obvious this team lacks elite talent, but I’m sure you’ll find some who think otherwise.
17 is carrying this team in a big way.
Ya when you really break it down kinda like I did , it's crazy how much Josh carries this team.
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4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
No
1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:No
So far this is going better than I thought, thought I would be getting a bit of disagreement haha
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Comparing to the chiefs and 49ers the 2 SB teams, here's how I'm going to categorize as elite:
-Made 1st team/2nd all pro last year
-Top 3/4 at position. (For example, Josh and Mahomes are elite even though they didn't get voted all pros)
So for the bills I got 3 players but technically only 2 last year cause the Milano injury.
-Josh, Milano, Taron.
Chiefs: 7 players-Mahomes, Kelce, thuney, humphries, C Jones, Mcduffie, Sneed
49ers: Hufanga got hurt so technically 7 players
-Mccafery, Aiyuk, T Williams, Kittle, Bosa, Warner, Hufanga, Chardavious Ward
(I didn't include their fullback)
So in the playoffs if you factor in injuries, bills had 2 "elite" players based on the all pro selection/my opinion.
Chiefs 7
And 49ers 7 with the Hufanga injury.
While the bills have a lot of good to very good players, I really think they are missing some game breakers on this team.
What do you guys think?
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1 hour ago, NoSaint said:
If they are trying to get out after 3 the restructure after doesn’t really make it easier to do. I feel like a lot of folks just throwing those terms around Willy nillyI know, but they probably still will
be able to.
its like Von miller- bills can get out of his deal after this season and save a few million even though they re structured after year 1.
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2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
Basically you can lower his yearly cap hit to something within range and it guarantees he’s on the roster next year (which he likely will be anyways).
Let's say they don't re structure, and they cut Knox after this year.
Do you know what the savings would be?
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I wonder if this means Patriots are commiting to Daniels or Maye as their first pick
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4 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:
Don’t love restructuring g Knox it just makes that contract even worse down the road. I like the guy but his contract sucks. hunter henry just signed 3 years and 27 million
Yep. And Schultz 3 years 36. (He's way more dynamic than Knox)
Re structuring average players who are already overpaid is how you get in trouble with the cap, so I hope the bills don't re structure as well
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Do The Bills Have Enough "Elite" Talent?
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Please read my criteria on how i put guys elite- it's the first thing I stated in my post