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On 6/25/2025 at 8:22 PM, Gunsgoodtime said:
He is not better than the drought coaches, he just has Josh Allen, and if Beane is a wizard, he is the wizard of Oz
I'm not a big McDermott fan, but there's no way you can tell me with a straight face that Rex Ryan, Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, Gregg Williams, Mike Mularkay and dick Jauron are as good as McDermott..
He literally got the bills in the playoffs without Josh Allen in 2017, something that none of those guys I listed above did.
Again, I'm not a big McDermott fan. But there's no way he should be compared to the drought coaches
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Purdy for me. No way he is worth 50 plus mil IMO
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7 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
They played us that way on the division deciding game to end the season the year prior. Running all over us in the first half. Part of the issue with that strategy is the Bills often get ahead a few scores and they can’t stay with it. We also are very effective at run blitzes and TFL’s which can get them behind the sticks. To your point I think he will stay with this approach, can they execute it for 60 minutes?
fair point. Ya I do remember that game for the division and McDaniel somewhat stuck to the run, but like you said, the bills were really effective with some run blitzes that game.
McDermott and McDaniel have a pretty good chess game going. Should be fun going into year 4 of them coaching against each other
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Easy choice- Baylon Spector...
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5 hours ago, FireChans said:
That’s kind of the problem though, imo.
Matt Ryan and Phil Rivers both overlapped with even better HoF QBs.
That’s the danger that Josh could find himself in that could harm his chances. If a Jayden Daniels or younger guy starts stacking awards or SBs, Josh could becomes the 4th or 5th best QB in his “era.”
If Burrow wins MVP and the SB next year, Josh falls to 4th among his age group, right?
I don’t think that will happen, of course, but that’s why to me his HoF case is not bullet proof yet. there is nothing that another QB can do to keep Mahomes or Lamar out. Jayden Daniels and Burrow win the next 2 or 3 MVPs/Superbowls and Josh Allen doesn’t, and he may be on the outside looking in.
Those are fair points and very possible.
I don't think he's a lock yet either. I do think he's "most likely " going to get in IMO
But a lot can change with the points you brought up
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Hahaha. Stupid comment, but in some ways he is right lol.
Playing conservative worked really well UNTIL that last meeting on November 1st.
Bills always played light boxes and Mcdaniel finally learned how to beat it by sticking to the run that last game.
Mcdermott will have to be more aggressive the next time we play them, as I do think Mcdaniel finally figured it out.
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3 hours ago, FireChans said:
Lamar has 2 MVPs and 3 first team All Pros. That basically gets you in.
Of the guys coming up with Josh, I think Josh is firmly behind Mahomes and Lamar. He’s definitely ahead of Burrow (although look for a Burrow MVP award coming this year if they can win their division or even sneak a WC).
Why you think Josh has a better HoF resume than Matt Ryan?
This list is kind of telling imo.
That's fair.
The way I look at- Matt Ryan to me was never a top 3 quarterback in his relative era for many years. (I know he got the mvp the one year)
Josh has firmly been a top 3 QB in his relative era for the past 5 seasons now. I know that doesn't mean everything as every era has different competition, but I just never looked at Matt Ryan as an "elite" QB.
So I can't really answer your question too well as it's just 100 percent subjective to me. But I clearly think Josh was more of a dominant QB compared to Matty ice IMO
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18 minutes ago, FireChans said:
I feel like playoff wins and “some of the best playoff stats” end up lost in HoF talk.
keep in mind, I’m not saying this is my criteria but the actual criteria.
Based on the most recent QBs, the thing that matters most is hardware. AP, MVP, SBMVP, ProBowls.
The next is career records, aka TDs, yards, wins, etc etc.
Then everything else.
Rivers has the longevity and very good numbers but lacks hardware. He is one of the very good numbers but never an All Pro, never an MVP, never won his conference.
There’s just such a glut of QBs upcoming.
The QBs in the HoF mix over the next decade are:
Brady
Brees
Ben
Rodgers
Rivers
Ryan
Eli
The first 4 are locks and the next 3 are not. I would be extremely surprised if all 7 are inducted and would not be surprised if Rivers and Ryan are snubbed.
And Josh Allen’s resume today is closer to the latter 3 than the first 4. He would not be a Hall of Famer today if he retired like Mahomes or even Lamar would be. IMO.
Fair. I do think if he played at a similar level for the next 4 years or so, even without extra hardware, that he gets in. The mvp last season really strengthens his case.
Ya Mahomes would for sure- Why do you say Lamar out of curiosity, because of the 2 mvps, all pros etc?
Of that list you have- I have him below Brady, brees and Rodgers for sure. Big Ben is probably slightly ahead of him now, but i think that changes in a couple years
And got Josh ahead over Rivers, Ryan, Eli. JMO
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3 hours ago, FireChans said:
Rivers hasn't made the Hall of Fame and imo likely won't.
Agreed. But not sure Josh should be compared with Rivers, unless you are just referring to both never gone to super bowls.
Josh already has an MVP and has more playoff wins than Rivers, with some of the best post season stats of all time.
Rivers has the upper edge on regular season passing yards/TDs, no denying that. (Josh also has insane stats though)
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I don't see how it makes any sense for him to play in Buffalo.
1. you just paid benford
2. you just invested a 1st rounder in Max
3. Jaire probably isn't signing for 1 year
So if you sign him, you basically are benching your first round pick for multiple seasons
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In Canada you can watch every game on DAZN for 30 bucks a month
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Great topic.
For me it's easily 13 seconds. (Was to young for the Super Bowl days)
Other games I can stomach, but that 13 seconds game is even sickening to think about lol
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55 minutes ago, MJS said:
Hmm. I'd take Mayfield over Stafford, Hurts, and Herbert for sure. Stafford is old. I'd take him in his prime. Hurts is little more than a game manager who can run. He is good, but not a great QB. Mayfield can throw the ball much better than him. Herbert is just missing something. He is talented, but doesn't have that will to win. Baker Mayfield has that.
Allen, Mahomes, Jackson, and Burrow are all clearly the best QBs and in a tier above the rest, but then guys like Mayfield, Herbert, Stafford, and Hurts are in that 2nd tier and it just comes down to personal preference.
Interesting. I meant like for one year. If I had one year to win a SB, I would confidently take Stafford.
But you're right, there's a massive drop off after the top 4 and there's really not much of a difference from the 5th-12th QBs
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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I don’t think he’s 5 but he’s certainly top 10. He might be more like 7. He had 4,500 yards and 41 TDs last year!!
Ya that's fair. He definitely puts up big numbers and he's coming off his best year. Numbers at times can be deceiving though. ( Tua as an example when he put up over 4600 yards one year )
But no way I would take him over Stafford, Hurts and Herbert. Then he's probably in the 8-12 range. (At least in my opinion)
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33 minutes ago, CSBill said:
Wondering if any Bills deserve consideration? No obvious people come to mind.
I was surprised to see Baker Mayfield on the list. He is that old, and two, he is ahead of Matt Stafford. I'm not sure I agree with the ladder.
And Diggs, I guess he has only had one bad season. But I'm not convinced he recovers and is any better this year.
The Baker mayfield love has been crazy to me this off season.
I think Joe Marino had him as his 5th best QB in the league.
Baker is a good QB, but top 5 seems like a huge stretch IMO
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20 hours ago, The Red King said:
If they cared about safety, why not use the 4th and 15 suggested variant? Would be exciting, and no more dangerous than any other normal play.
With the bills struggles to get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs, I hope this doesn't become a rule lol.
Josh Allen wouldn't see the field all game
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11 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
To be fair Allen had 15 carries for 81 yards and 2 TD's in that game.
Fair enough- But we all watched that game. And he was horrible.
Point being: All great quarterbacks have had games where they played like trash and their team still won
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Underrated one is EJ Gaines.
He was really solid in 2017
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1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:
That's stating a fact. Through three games, he was on that pace. I never predicted what his final stats would have been or will be in the future.
That said, nothing he did was flukey or gimmicky. With Kelce slowing down, Brown injured and Worthy needing time to learn, he probably would have put up big numbers.
Well when you imply he was on pace for over 1600 yards, you kind of are impying what his numbers would be. Or else, what's the purpose of saying he was on pace for over 1600 yards?
Anyways, all good. My point is a 3 game sample size is wayyyy to early to say he is on pace for X amount of yards.
I agree he is a good player, not denying that.
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10 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:
The Bills don’t carry Josh Allen.
The teams Jared Goff have been on is a different story.
He was traded away from a SB losing team who immediately won a Super Bowl.
He has been very good in Detroit, even better than LA, but still ugly Jared comes out to play and greatly contributed to their playoff loss.
if you don't think goff is good, that's fair and I respect your opinion even though I respecfully disagree with it.
I just don't understand why you are trying to prove that Goff gets carried by his team because of one game detroit won in which he was horrible. (That is cherry picking to try to prove something, as there are far more examples in which Goff has had to play great for Detroit to win)
Every single good to great QB has had awful games where their team has still won. (Yes even Josh Allen as I showed)
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15 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
I didn't project anything. I just said he was putting up elite numbers before his injury.
Bottom line is that he's very talented, and the WR room as a whole should be much better than what we've seen in recent years.
You said exactly this: "He was on pace for over 1600 yards and 11 TDS". That's the definition of projecting numbers, sir.
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9 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:
You needed advice because you said you weren’t sure if Purdy is better than Fields which is why you got jumped on.
Everyone is sure that Purdy is better than Fields.
So here’s the thing.
I’m mot saying Goff is terrible. If I was defining him by a 5 pick game, he wouldn’t be a pretty good QB. He would be another Peterman.
what I am saying is it exemplified the kind of QB Goff is. A QB that can be very good in a good situation with a good team. A QB who can unfortunately meltdown not uncommonly. And a QB who looks better than he is because he has a very good team around him, good enough to beat a playoff team despite their QB actively trying to lose it.
I'm still not sure why you're drilled towards that one game where Goff played horrible and they won. Last season there were 4-5 examples where Goff needed to play great to get the win, and they did win, or his defence let him down in a shoot out.
Josh Allens stats against Atlanta in January 2022:
11 for 26 for 120 yards, 0 tds and 3 INTS.
But the Bills won by 2 touchdowns- So are we going to define one game as "the bills carry Josh Allen?"
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32 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
I said that Rice was elite before his injury. Doesn’t guarantee he’ll be consistently elite for the rest of his career, but he was putting up elite numbers. Rice was injured at the beginning of the 4th game. In his first three, he had 103, 110 and 75 yds. Nothing he did was gimmicky or flukey. He’s just an explosive, physical player with good body control.
I think he's a good player and I agree with that . But you can't project 3 games to 17 lol
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1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:
It was evidence that he can play like complete and total garbage and still win. Probably the biggest piece of evidence he will ever have in his career.
Yes. The reason why the Lions were in the drivers seat for the #1 seed and ultimately finished with more wins than Baltimore or Cincinnati or Buffalo is not because they have a better QB or a better coach but because they have a better team.
The Lions allowed 10 points on Goff’s FIVE picks.
But you're isolating one incident where Goff played crap and his team won in spite of him.
What about his offence needing 34 points against GB to win by 3? Or 40 points against SF to win a one score game? Or losing with 42 points against the Bills?
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Dolphins trade Jalen Ramsey/Jonnu Smith to Steelers for Minkah Fitzpatrick, picks, per Ian Rap.
in The Stadium Wall
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What a strange trade all around. Not even sure if there is a clear cut winner in this one