Rocky Landing
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9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Yup I expect that as well. Beane is going to have to stay aggressive in this draft just to keep up - folks treat the draft like it's Christmas morning but forget to pay attention to what the Bills' competitors are coming home with in the weeks leading up to the event. The Jets and Chiefs are going to have much-improved rosters on Sunday; the Dolphins and Patriots too but they're just less scary as threats. But I can easily see a scenario where the Jets suddenly have two stud WRs and the Chiefs load up on offensive weapons as well.
I have to believe that not having a third round pick would make trading up in the first a much harder pill to swallow.
22 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:More @Warriorspikes51 post about sending at least three picks to the Bears for 9.
Either way, paying a king's ransom to move up for a WR, in a draft that is historically deep in WRs, when the Bills have so many positional needs, seems utterly foolish, IMO.
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7 minutes ago, Brandon said:
As long as it doesn't send the Bills' front office into panic mode to go after a CB...
I am of the unpopular opinion that drafting a WR in the first round is not a foregone conclusion. I don't imagine that Beane will ever make a draft choice out of panic. But, if a CB, or DE, whom they grade higher than the remaining WRs at #28, falls to them, don't be surprised if that is their pick. And as glaring a need as WR is, it most certainly gives me pause to think that after the starting five of Benford, Douglas, Johnson, Rapp, and Edwards, the best remaining defensive back on the team is Cam Lewis.
If this draft is as deep in WRs as the pundits say, it shouldn't be surprising that they might get the best value with their first two picks by waiting until the second round to draft a WR.
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14 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:
Is Odunze worth that many picks considering the depth at WR in this draft?
Personally, I don't think so. As glaring a need as WR is for the Bills, it is not currently the only glaring need. (I assume you're responding to @HappyDays suggestion above of this year's second, and next year's first) To have only one pick before the fourth round not only ignores the other glaring needs the Bills have, it ignores WR depth of this draft. And losing next years #1 as well? No thank you. That's too high a risk of a Sammy Watkins type situation to my mind.
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To move all the way up to #19, and still own pick #60, I'm assuming you would see them trading away future draft picks? They would have to be pretty high picks. Would it really be worth it to reach for a WR in such an historically deep WR class? Be that as it may, The Rams haven't had a first round pick since 2016. I'd be pretty shocked if they were willing to devalue this one.
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The Diggs trade certainly increased the chances we will draft a WR in the first round, but it doesn't guarantee it. After the top three WRs-- Harrison, Nabers, Odunze-- who are almost certainly out of reach, there are quite a few WRs who, while perhaps graded as a first round pick, will be available in the second round.
Wide receiver is a glaring need for the Bills, presently. But it's not the only glaring need. If a DE, or CB who Beane has graded higher than the available WRs in the first falls to them, don't be surprised when Beane takes them.
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On 4/10/2024 at 1:25 PM, corta765 said:
Mock drafts, media analysis, bills fans, etc.. everyone has the Bills doing things to address the WR position with Diggs leaving and the larger hole that is now created. Realistically outside of a trade for a Aiyuk or Tee Higgins type player where it is established WR with a track record of production, the WR position will be a question and probably still an area of concern. Even if the Bills move up to draft one of the big three WRs there will be a question of immediate production and adjustment to the NFL. If the Bills move back and draft 2 WRs in rounds 2-3 your at least initially expectation wise at a lower starting point compared to one of the big three guys. The production Diggs had given even with the drop the back half of the season and the now loss of him and Davis production also is going to be a question for everyone and those stepping in.
Is there a scenario for you that makes you comfortable with the position moving forward?
The trade for Diggs was a brilliant move by Beane at the time. With the trade of our first round pick, Beane essentially “drafted” a proven wide receiver. But that scenario doesn’t really exist for us this time around. There is no reasonable path to an Aiyuk, or Higgins, and at #28, regardless of which WR beyond Harrison falls to us, it’s never a good idea to hang your hat on a rookie. I keep thinking back on the insane trade-up for Sammy Watkins. Watkins was actually a decent, starting caliber WR, who’s had a decent career, but he never came anywhere close to the draft value the Bills placed on him.
And, IMO, an important thing to consider in both the Diggs, and Watkins situations, is that in both scenarios, the Bills were working with solid, and deep defense. Currently, what would be the Bills starting eleven on D is average, at best, and paper thin beyond that.
Even after the Diggs trade to Houston, I’m not convinced that the Bills are destined to draft a WR in round one. If this WR class is as deep as folks are saying, and assuming the top three will be gone by #28, there will be solid WRs in round two. The same may not be said about the defensive needs we have.
My hope is that Beane drafts BVPA at the numerous positions of need in the first round, and only trades up if there is real value in the trade. If that turns out to be a CB, or a safety, or a DE, or a WR, then so be it. His track record for trading in the draft is pretty damn good.
As far as the question in the OP is concerned— I’m not as married to the idea of a WR in the first as everyone else seems to be. (Although Beane/McDermott might be fearing pitchforks, at this point…) I just want Beane to continue to do what he does— he’s creative, he’s always looking, and he clearly has developed solid relationships throughout the league.
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3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:
I am thinking that perhaps I'm going against the grain with my opinion. I have been very tough on McDermott but my initial reaction to this trade is positive but with a caveat.
If he dedicates the early picks to WRs and OTs, I think it was a good move. I don't think that Diggs is getting better, and a #2 is frankly a bit more than I expected. This draft appears to be loaded with receivers and OL, and now is the time to focus more on the offense and these positions specifically.
The caveat? If McDermott drafts safeties, corners and other defenders with the early picks we will be heading right back to the Levy/Jauron days and lose football games. I truly hope this doesn't happen but again, at this point I support the trade.
Jmo.
Before this trade I would have bet money that they would draft defense with their first round pick. But now, I have to think they have at least a few WRs in mind that they believe could be available at #28, and probably a couple they would be willing to trade up for. That being said, I don't think they're going to ignore the cheesecloth they have for a defense, and I would be surprised if they drafted an OL before day three, even with the departure of Morse..
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So, uh... WR in the first round it is...
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There is certainly a need to acquire Diggs’ eventual replacement, and this would be a good time to do that. But, beyond that, if this draft is as deep at WR as people are saying, there will be one in the second round.
I would love to see the Bills draft a WR in the first. It would be fun, and exciting. We need another playmaker on Offense. But the truth is, we are desperately thin on defense. The starting 11 might be considered adequate (barely), lack of a pass rush notwithstanding. But after that… it’s hard to get excited about The JAGs they’ve added to the D-line, a geriatric Von Miller or the notion that Cam Lewis is our best defensive back after the starting five.
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Fans on these boards seem to have convinced themselves that Beane/McDermott are drafting a WR in the first round, period, and that WR is our greatest need. It’s not. Not even close. And I would bet money that they will draft a defensive player in round one. The defense is currently paper thin.
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I feel reasonably confident with our chances to win the AFCE, but I don't think we're going to start out the season as a championship team. If we have a chance of making it to the SB, they're going to need to continue building throughout the season, which I believe they will. That's McDermott's "process," and Beane's philosophy. And I feel pretty good about that.
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9 minutes ago, DJB said:
Love this against that garbage Tua
Now that’s a good one right there!
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10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Looks like Poyer. Arm brace, number, movement
Tua sailed it over his receivers head in that clip.
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3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Which means he won't sign lol. Visiting is like the kiss of death for signing with us.
… with this bizarre assumption that we try to sign everyone who comes in for a visit.
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10 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
Rapp and Edwards will be our starters this year with Lewis and a drafted safety as our backups. I highly doubt we’re adding another guy in FA.
There’s only 59 players on the roster, including future/reserve contracts. We’re adding somebody…
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I’m sure the reports of Rodgers’ mutant healing powers are legit. He’ll bounce right back from a torn Achilles like it never happened.
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1 hour ago, Prospector said:
Nice that yur back doing super active stuff... I am past that point of being wild now
Oh trust me, my activities are quite subdued these days. 🤙
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3 hours ago, Prospector said:
I tore my ACL 3 times... all on the same knee. I feel your pain. It is weird thinking that I have a 4th person's ACL in there (counting mine as the original). Fun stuff
Snapped my left ACL twice. The last time included a torn MCL, meniscus, and a fractured tibia, and two surgeries. Had my fourth knee surgery in July-- total knee replacement, and now I'm back on the slopes. Cheers!
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Wherever he lands, I hope we play him in Buffalo so the Mafia can give him a warm, welcoming ovation. Truly a class act. He'll always be a Bill.
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1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
But still a bad injury for DB and WR. And he still had time lost to another injury last year.
Has this org. Not learned it's lesson?
Yeah, absolutely foolish to... bring him in for a visit...🙄
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On 3/16/2024 at 4:56 PM, Aussie Joe said:
I would have guessed Hollins around that $1.7 m number that Beane likes to hand out … However .. I see he got $2.5m last year …Market prices going up though with the increased cap …
Couldn’t they have used one of their 5th round picks on a guy for ST and who may have some upside at his own position.. and at least you just pay him under a million pa rookie money for 4 years whilst you find out … its what they did with Siran Neal…
The thing about Hollins vs. a draft pick is that we know exactly what Hollins can do, and how well. He's pretty much a known commodity-- a situational WR with specific skills. The only real question, IMO, is whether those skills fit into a position of need, and I certainly think they do. We know he's a decent gunner (position of need with the loss of Siran Neal), and we know he's a decent run blocker (position of need with the losses of Davis, and Sherfield).
We also know that he's 6'4", and strong with decent hands, a decent catch %, and contested catch ability. And we know he's slow, doesn't get separation, and not a lot of YAC (you can even see those negatives on his highlight reel). But if we stand him up like a ficus tree in the end zone in redone situations, opposing teams will have to account for him, and even if he doesn't get a single target, he becomes valuable as such.
There's been a lot of debate in these pages about what he can, or cannot become, and I don't see the point. We know what he is, and for the money, it seems like a pretty smart signing to me.
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5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:
You are making sense but remember when Kelly, Bruce, Thurman, and Andre were getting old at the same time? Instead of thinking about their replacements, the Bills drafted cornerbacks. It obviously didn't work and I would hate to see this happen again. Diggs isn't getting better from where I sit and certainly isn't getting younger. Also, guards are now suddenly getting the big bucks. OL depth is wonderful to have.
We might never have another QB as talented as Josh. Now is the time to give him more weapons and protection.
As always, jmo.
Well, mind you, just because I don’t want to spend all of our draft capital on offense doesn’t mean I want to spend it all on defense.
I suspect that if the Bills draft a WR at 28, it means that someone they were really high on dropped to them. But if I were to bet on it, I’d put my money on a bpa defensive position of need. And then hopefully a WR that they’re high on drops to them in the second.
I don’t love it. But I suspect that’s how Beane and McDermott might see the big picture.
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1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:
OK.....Done, and of course they should!!!
Will they? They actually might not but they completely should.
I don’t often disagree with you, but I sure do here.
if you look at the Bills current roster— and I’ll say including reserve/future— at what positions would you say the Bills are thin?
To my eye:
Offense:
QB, excellent
OL, adequate
WR, thin(ish)
RB, adequate
TE, deep
Defense:
DT, thin
DE, thin
LB, adequate(ish)
S, thin
CB, thin
And where were the majority of our injuries last season? We ignore defensive depth at our peril.
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2 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
Shorter won’t even make the team, I’d put money on it.
In the modern NFL you can never have too many premium receivers. It’s the 2nd or 3rd most important position on the team.
They should go all offense in the draft, I’d rather surround Allen with big talent potential then waste picks on D Line rotations and bend don’t break mentality.
In all seriousness , take a look at the active roster, and then tell me if you still think they “should go all offense.”
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I don't think you're suggesting that there couldn't be a higher graded non-WR left on the board at #28, are you? I keep hearing about how deep this WR class is. Would it be unreasonable to think that getting a WR in the second would get the Bills better value in the draft? And if the Bills don't do something to beef up their currently paper-thin defense, the Chiefs (and other teams, as well) will certainly be marching down the field at will! That's not "lying to myself." I'm just trying to look at the big picture, and at the moment, it has some problems!
Honestly, I don't get how it is that so many fans are calmly dismissing the numerous issues on this team beyond WR?