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But again most of those incidents are at least debatable as far as strategy goes. You may not think they were good military options, but obviously some people didn't think that way, and hindsight is always 20/20. That being said, we are trying to discuss NK. If we can't (or simply shouldn't) invade, what can be done? Wait til Kim and a few generals and higher up party members are the only ones left alive?

I'm interested to hear what you have to say... I thought this was gonna be a dud, and the reviews weren't kind, but this now makes 3 or 4 people I've heard from that seemed to really enjoy it.

Meant to respond to that earlier... Could you be more specific? I can only assume you are talking about Dresden and/or Hiroshima/Nagasaki. I guess that's what I meant by debatable. You may see it as being done for no good reason. Plenty of people would agree. The flip side is that there are plenty of good arguments for why both were strategic operations important to bringing WW2 to an end. But that's for another thread... And I also wasn't calling for an invasion of NK. It would be a bloodbath of unimaginable proportions, mostly for the North and South Koreans. But shouldn't some measure be taken to stop the wholesale slaughter of the people in NK?

I guess that was my point. It isn't "voting" when option 1 is "maybe your entire family goes to the gulag, or maybe you starve" and option 2 is "yeah, you are going to the f'n gulag and if you are lucky you'll die in the first 6 months or so and not have to suffer and watch your family members do the same".

Does anyone???

That's precisely what I do, and I don't have snow-ies.

Understood, but again strategic use of overwhelming force, while very debatable, is a far cry from testing VX on political prisoners and killing newborn babies, is it not? And I don't think the OP was meant to take a holier than thou approach to a general notion of "others" but at a very specific group of people led by a madman. My 2 cents anyway...

But isn't this thread about widespread, government sanctioned atrocities? That seemed to be the initial theme anyways. There will always be murderous d*ckheads with or without war. It's more than unfortunate that things like My Lai happen, but I think we need to make a distinction between the actions of (bad) soldiers and leaders.

True, but only if you ignored the "last century" part of his post.

I heard they'll even toss it for you!

OK Borat...

What's funny is that for a second you must have forgotten that 97% of the posters here are a$$holes... Hope they find your students LSI...

Has that ever been up for debate? I doubt there are any nations that don't torture on some level. Are you trying to make this discussion about something else?

Yeah because beating someone suspected of plotting to blow people up stems from the same rationale of beating a midget because they are impure. Brilliant! (Neither is right, but one is much worse) North Korea is nothing short of hell on earth. They test chem and bio weapons on their own people. They jail and torture the families of suspected dissidents. They starve their countrymen for the sake of their military. There have even been documented reports of the Kim Jung Il and his elite generals being fed fruit grown in orchards fertalized with the bodies of dead dissidents and prisoners. (No, really I'm not making that up...) If you want to make a point about the US not doing things perfectly, fine. But lets not be retarded and think that any we are currently doing compares in any way to what goes on over there.

We saw the commercial for those the other night during football. We all immediately wanted one!

Very reminiscient of 'The Shield'.

Did anyone go to the Toronto show last night? My buddy and I were gonna go, but the weather sealed the deal on us staying in town...

Now that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

I think we know what tarring and feathering is... but I still don't get this thread at all. Is it soem kind of joke or puzzle?

Maybe Lemmy's coco-puffs violate a zoning ordinance! Those of us in Buffalo feel your pain though. Sabbath/Ozzy has cancelled here a few times too.

Well it sounds like he probably got in more trouble for having the kiddie porn.

Having seen them 4 times now, I'm really glad I don't have to hear Run to the Hills and Number of the Beast for the ump-teenth time. I'm pretty sure this is the first tour since 1982 where they haven't done those two songs, and I say it's about time!

Just wanted to give this a bump to let those interested know that they are playing all of the new album during the tour. That's right, the whole album, front to back. Toronto, October 16th... see you there!

Wasn't he pissed about how some stuff he said in Columbine was taken out of context? If anything, those guys have very little loyalty to either side of our 2 sided fence.

Try substituting A1 Sauce for the Worchestershire. Old bartender trick. Some people like horseradish too...