Wayne Arnold

I don't think it's the reporting that is as much an issue as the fan/public reaction to those reports. You have to know how to take the reports depending on the personality and reporting history of each media member. Each need to be taken with a grain of salt and analyzed collectively - not individually. Many fans will take one single tweet/report from one single reporter and blow it completely out of proportion.

Welp - considering our recent history (if you consider 15 years "recent") then that should be a good thing.

I've intentionally kept away from the moral perspective in this thread because it's so relative and that's where the emotions come into play. If I was forced to answer your question I would say yes because men are generally bigger and stronger than women. But that isn't always the case so as always it should come down to contextual circumstances.

Well, first of all why would you assume that? Has there been another situation similar to this one where the victim was male and I did not defend him similarly? Secondly, thanks to the Violence Against Women Act of 1994, men and women are not always looked at as equals in the eyes of the law. I don't even think that applies in this case but that would be a reason for leniency in other similar cases.

Explanation for what?

I know you're not referring to me. I have no feelings.

But we don't know that she called him anything. All we know is what we see on the video. Outside of that we're just speculating and/or making stuff up.

Yeah, I tend to be leary of anyone who starts a post with "He decked her because she..."

There's also a leap between stating people are using innuendo from the cold-cocker's lawyer as a tool "to make the victim look like she deserved what she got" and thinking or stating that the same posters really believe that she got what she deserved.

Good post. Not at all. That's not my intent, sorry if my posts somehow come across that way.

"No....he decked he because she raised her fist to him immediately and he grabbed her arm to prevent her swinging and she immediately swung with her other fist, followed immediately by his response. She started a sequence of events that would lead any reasonable person in that circumstance to conclude that it was to continue. Look at the video. She immediately took umbrage to him bumping into her and became aggressive. Add to that that she was probably drunk and you have a pretty good case of self defense, IMO." That's just one example. There are others, including from one poster who called me a "white knight" for daring to defend this woman lol

Do we have to be so literal? Let's not be naive here. There is a whole lotta 'she had it comin to her' mentality in this thread.

No. It's sad that people in this thread are using his lawyer's claims as a fact to make the victim look like she deserved what she got but not at all surprising.

lol nicely done

I'm pretty sure you have it backwards. Since Johnson is the one who invaded her space by grabbing her wrist, Johnson's lawyers have to prove that she was acting with the intent to harm him. And since her arm/fist never moved forward, that will be extremely difficult to do.

So when a woman or anyone else raises her arm to point at the person behind her, it's officially open season on her face? I can't wait for the next time a person waves at me. According to a couple of people on this forum I'm going to be within my legal right to grab his/her arm, clutch it until he/she is able to defend and get away then I'm going to bash his/her face in because it looked like the person was about to slap me!

It's ok from a legal standpoint because she was acting in self-defense. Why is this so difficult for some of you to grasp? He was creating apprehension by invading her space in the form of reaching for her arm and clutching it against her will. By definition, that is assault. And that was before his punch even occurred. Look - no one thinks this girl is an angel on Earth. My daughters are both under 5 but 15 years from now I'll show them this video as a demonstration for how to not act in bars. And I think it speaks volumes that no one here has been able to give me an answer as to what she could possibly be charged with.

Then post it. I didn't post a longer gif because I couldn't find one. Good Lord. So because the other girl didn't have a problem with Johnson rudely shoving people out of his way to the bar, that means no one else should feel defensive or uncomfortable with it?

You don't have internet access? Find it yourself. Yeah, imagine that.

What consequences would be appropriate for her? Maybe she should be banned from the bar for being belligerent but that would be up to the owner(s). From this video alone, I see no illegal actions from her. Johnson, however, broke the law.

I think you need to look at it again if you think Johnson doesn't push the blond directly...right into the guy on her right. Which may be who she's pointing at (although there is in fact a bartender there). I'm not going to speculate what she's saying.

I'm not going to go there. Not being a "white knight" - I'm looking at the video impartially from a legal perspective.