Wayne Arnold

Ravens did not look like a quality football team yesterday. I'd be very surprised if they won more than 7 games.

Ravens knew exactly what Taylor is. That's why they recognized he was barely even worth having as a backup.

Today's team looked like 3-13.

You've got to be kidding me. This was as bad an offensive performance as we've seen over the last ten years (that's saying something) and you're here trying to put perfume on a pile of fresh poo.

How do you know the Ravens are good? They didn't look good at all today. The Bills just looked worse. These are two losing teams.

Because that's quite the percentage. I would think an average team would get 75-80% tops. I didn't think anyone aside from the worst team in the league would get a prediction that poor from NFL writers.

Funny. That's the one that was legit.

Only 1 out of 40 experts polled by newyorkupstate.com predict the Bills will make the playoffs. 98% of NFL writers/experts from NFL.com, PFF, ProFootballTalk, USA Today, CBS, ESPN, etc. who do this for a living do not think the Bills are a Top 6 team in the AFC. Amazing. http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2016/09/2016_nfl_predictions_only_1_of_40_national_experts_say_bills_make_playoffs.html

There should be a difference between a 15 yard pass interference and a 15 yard ejection-worthy personal foul/unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. They shouldn't be treated equal. If that shot had occurred after the whistle they would have applied the penalty and then the personal foul and it would have been first-down Panthers. That's what they should do. Treat the personal foul like its own entity and not part of the game, regardless of when it occurs.

I'm sorry but this is absurd. Then I guess Newton really should have been called for spearing when he used the crown of his helmet to hit the defender in the head after all.

Thanks. If that one wasn't called then that was a huge screwup.

His injury last year wasn't some anomaly. It was his own fault attempting a dumb shoulder tackle. He hasn't played a full season since his rookie year. That's legitimately concerning if you're looking to invest that much in a player.

Agreed. As good as Gilmore may be, he has to prove that he can last a full season and if God willing Bills ever play in January that he'll be available. Otherwise he's worthless.

I am trying to be argumentative - and you are correct. I still haven't seen a gif from last night where Newton should've received a call but didn't. Anyone?

If anything, spearing could have been called on Newton here. The defender is leading with his shoulder while Netwon is putting his head down and hits the defender square in the side of his helmet.

Think of it this way: They enforced the legitimate intentional grounding. Which pinned them back and lost them a down so it's 3rd and extremely long. Then they enforced the personal foul penalty, which gave them an extra down and the yardage they lost back. Do you feel better now? He had already thrown the ball before he was speared. I've been reading threads for years about how it's not fair that quarterbacks don't play by the same rules and you can't touch them without a penalty and Brady can play until he's 50 because he can't be touched, etc. Now there's an uproar from the complete opposite perspective. Crazy.

You bumped a 10-day old thread for that?

It was a penalty. I don't know why so many are whining in this thread. Unless they're all Panthers fans on a Bills forum.

The former St. John Fisher camp body?

1 in 3 NFL players. Not 3 in 3 people who participate in football.

For those whose cable provider does not offer MSG - is there a way to watch?

Saying football destroys all lives is ludicrous.

Then stop supporting something that destroys lives.

"Football will destroy your life." I think it's unfortunate that there are people who really believe that football will (not may, not could...WILL) destroy every life that participates in it with no exceptions. I like Dunne's writing and I'm glad we're getting more and more information about the effects of hits to the head because I want football to continue to become more safe. My problem with Dunne is that his tone is so dramatically apocalyptic. For instance... "This sport remains intoxicating as ever, set to dominate America's attention yet again. "Yet Borland might've cracked a fragile foundation. "His decision still casts a pall over football." All that's missing is a gif like this... The needlessly separated three paragraphs above is followed by a list of players who have retired before age 30 - as if it's a bad thing. I think it's great that non-quarterback players are retiring early. If Borland truly had 30 concussions before age 24 then he should have been done with football long before he retired. More should do the same. But not everyone is as prone to concussions/CTE as others. We need to continue not only making the sport safer but make medical advancements to see which players are more susceptible to CTE. I don't think any players aside from quarterback or kicker should play beyond the age of 30. Those players are more likely to live happy lives after football than those from 20 years ago who played into their mid-30's with no concussion protocol systems. Those players having retired has not effected the health or popularity of the sport. There are players to take their place. Instead of positively endorsing change to football and showing how the information we are receiving is positive for the long-term health of the sport, Dunne's tone (spin) is one of a dark, depressing relishing of the negative publicity the sport has been receiving for many years now which has led to more and more parents disallowing their children from participating in it. This is true.

Yep. Anyone prone to concussions like that should be ineligible to continue. He's going to have major issues later in his life if he keeps playing.