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And... Rubs - Need chemistry (same receiver week in week out) Combo Routes - need to get to the line early enough to evaluate the coverage seams - Again need to get to the line early enough to evaluate coverage

Overdraft someone and end up with tannehill/locker/ponder/EJ/gabbert/bortles and so on - and waste a bunch of time and money seeing if he's any good.

I can't say for sure as i don't have the time to watch All-22s on wentz and goff. But i did watch a few eagles games this year... and in those games Wentz misses throws. He's late, he overthrows, he underthrows. He has good pocket awareness but the ball getting out on time is not one of his strengths. He had 12 games with a YPA under 7. 8 with a YPA under 6. He misses easy ones - a lot. Higher INT%, lower YPA, less sacks, more sack yards. Watch week 1 and tell me Tyrod was the only reason we lost... Our line, and mccoy specifically gave up a ton of pressures. Oh and we were still late getting plays in and getting to the line. This causes problems when trying to predict coverage at the line. Also - i don't recall seeing much of those concepts in those games but i may be mistaken. Roman never had those concepts in his offense. He has 900 formations, no audibles, and takes forever to get a play in.

Right, but i see other QBs do the same things. I see wentz sailing passes out of bounds, i see rodgers throw an out route into the dirt, i see Eli throwing a screen at his backs feet. Both the 1st and 2nd overall picks struggled and in the end hurt their teams this year. That alone concerns me when we talk about replacing him wiht a rookie or journeyman. I get that people want a future and whatnot - but are we sacrificing the present to do it?

I'd say 2 years - and in those 2 years you have options to draft other players and fill that hole. If you can't acquire the guy you want this off season, it buys you at least another year to look and develop

I don't consider 2 years to be "long-term"

What about Vick's improvement in philadelphia? He went from a sub 55% passer and 1000 yard rusher to a pretty solid QB under reid.

Hard to say what roman did in the offseason since he got canned in week 2. Baltimore is a tough e v a l because the line and mccoy played so poorly. The Jets game - was pretty much lost by the defense, but TT did no favors by throwing an ugly pick on 1st down with a chance to take the lead.

Without saying Tyrod is great or bad... How can we say that Roman is good with regards to a passing game? Traditionally near the bottom in attempts, completions, TDs. Low INT% - and a high sack %. His best passing offense was the year they benched smith for kaep. When smith was benched he had a completion percentage of 70, and had a YPA of 8. Both great traditional numbers.. but he was only averaging 170 YPG (including a shellacking of our buffalo bills). He also had an absurdly high 9.9% sack rate. That was the best Roman had to offer from a passing perspective, and they were 31st in attempts, 23rd in yards, 1st in INTs, and 8th in Net yards per passing attempt. Conventional stats would say that they sucked that year - but they were efficient running the ball. They also didn't turn it over. Yes they had a great defense, but we were supposed to as well under Rex. It's a recipe that only works with a suffocating defense.

They probably shook hands a few times before too!! THE HORROR!

Do we want to field a roster...? his cap hit is 16.7 in 2017, or 32.7 if we cut him. If we split the hit over 2 years its about the same. If we keep him for both years... its about the same. You're saying cut a player for no pick compensation, and pay him exactly the same amount, as well as eat the same amount of cap charge. So... we signed fitz to an extension in 2011 mid-season. Didn't draft a QB in 2012 - Wilson, Cousins, Osweiler, Foles... Then drafted EJ in 2013. In a terrible draft, because Fitz wasn't good enough. This screams good player evaluation? You don't think that extending Fitz had anything to do with us not targeting a QB? Also - that extension is on nix, and it was a terrible terrible move.

Seriously - Tyrod played really well against them in week 16. Had a couple nice games against them in 2015 too.

I dunno that Gilmore is a good fit in this defense. It's 4-3 sure - but it will likely be a primary cover 3 scheme, which requires a corner to play over with no help. Gilmores a press man corner who typically plays under. I'd franchise him and see how it works before id extend him.

I thought he was pretty good this year. However if we're switching to a primary cover 3 defense (under mcdermott), he can probably walk. He's a press-man type and likes to play under - which isn't a very good fit. No point overspending to stick a square peg in a round hole. I'd consider franchising him to see if he can fit, but i wouldn't extend him without seeing how he can play in a new defense.

Either way we need 4 new safeties, probably 2 LBs, and at least 1 corner.

So no keuchley and no norman made for a rough year.

Isn't it primarily zone cover 3? So very corner dependent... They let the #1 zone corner in the league walk.

Yeah - please incorporate short passing and screens like every other team in the league. Please call passes with an NFL route tree.

I think the worst moves would be 1 - trading up for Sammy - too much given up for a non-QB 2 - Drafting tons of guys with "character" concerns (drug offenses). Looks bad in the media when your team keeps having players suspended 3 - trading up too much in the draft in general. We don't draft prescott because we don't have a 4th round pick - because we used it to get Ragland. I'm saying we couldn't move the comp pick we had. Moving up to get Ragland was classic Whaley though. I NEEEED this guy so im going to overspend to get him. Even though i want a developmental QB too.

Not exactly... we drafted Cardale shortly thereafter in the same round. Perhaps our grade on Dak was higher than Cardale. We couldn't move up to even get Dak unless we traded 2017 picks. As for Wilson - TJ graham. That's the guy we moved up to get. A guy most people had a lower than 3rd round grade on. And rightfully so, as he is out of the NFL. Great job nix! We traded up for a bad player that no one wanted. Blame Whaley for ignoring QBs? Blame Nix too.

Doesn't matter?! the reason we pass on wilson is because we have fitz! He also brought in Chan Gailey - who was a joke when he was hired and a joke when he was fired. We never won more than 6 games during Nix's time here. And he oversaw the 2010 draft - we legit have 0 players from 2010 on the roster. People complain we don't have enough drafted players... thats why! That's 6 years ago... we extended 0 players from that draft.

How bout Ragland hit's the field before we call him horrible. Also - i though dolph looked good early until the season wore on him.

Extended Fitz. Drafted Spiller in the 1st - and oversaw the rest of that 2010 debacle. Drafted Maybin in the 1st. Drafted EJ in the 1st. Troup over Gronk. Dareus over Green. Oh, and trading up for graham over russell wilson. There are some good things sprinkled in there (Gilmore, even if he likely walks. Wood and Byrd are pretty good in the 2nd. Glenns been good. Even Kiko). But i see a lot of wasted draft capital and money. We also re-signed like none of our free agents during these years. Blue Chippers - Shady, Watkins, Kyle Williams, Dareus, Glenn - maybe Incognito, Gilmore, Hughes So he brought in Dareus and Glenn. But I'm not really going to give him credit for hitting on the 3rd overall pick. That's supposed to be an impact player. Gilmore's been pretty good, and the Hughes trade was a steal.

I give Nix 0 credit for anything. The man was clueless.

The Hogan tender was a $$$ issue. We had to Glenn tagged at the time of RFA tenders, so we were right up at the cap. We non-tendered Rambo and Charles for the same reason. The difference was about 1 million i think from 2nd round tender to no comp. tender, and we had no ability to match his offer sheet with NE.