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The comparison was poorly made when you compare a marginal NFL qb to a HOFer. I do think his 2016 numbers aren't as bad as the record indicates. Saying he was 1-10 doesn't say - the defense was terrible, Hyde was banged up, the top 3 receivers are currently all out of football, and the line was inexperienced across the board outside of staley. He didn't necessarily prop them up, but i don't think he was driving them towards a 2-14 record.

I picked Long and Murphy. Both overpaid, and both provide significant cap savings. Going into 2021 with a possible cap reduction, it makes sense to reduce the cap charge this year. Considering Milano, White, Dawkins all need extensions - that 10.5 million can go a long way.

Yeah, i'm definitely reaching. But he played a fair amount of games prior to 2017, he knows how to prepare, and probably has continued to work on his own, but who knows.

Warner played in the AFL/NFL europe between college and the NFL. Not sure how long flutie was out of the NFL but it was probably a while. Vick spent 2 years in prison - then signed with philly and sat for a year. Cunningham took a year off and came back as a backup before starting a year later. I don't think they all fit the exact 3 years off or whatever, but i think QB coaching has changed quite a bit since then. If he's kept up working out etc.

So is QB the only way to win games? That 2-14 team under chip had the worst defense in the NFL. Should that lay only on him? I think the logic is that, its hard to win games with the worst defense in the NFL.

He had some alright games - NE, Cincy, Tennessee, Miami. But he also had - games with the following stat lines 11 carries 20 yards 11 carries 15 yards 5 carries 12 yards 11 carries 27 yards 9 carries 11 yards 4 carries 6 yards 10 carries 15 yards 8 carries 22 yards (playoffs...) Thats 7 games where we gave the guy like 8-10 touches, and he legit did nothing with them. I know rushing averages fluctuate a bit, and big plays will prop up an average. That's really what dried up. I know there are always going to be plays where you don't gain yards etc. But i want the guy that can hit the hole with speed, or make a guy miss, and turn a well blocked run from 5 yards into 20 (or more). Gore isn't that guy anymore.

Backup QBs are there for 2 purposes though. They're a mentor/extra voice in the QB room. I don't see Kaepernick bringing that level of value. You bring him in as a 2, but also as competition no matter what. Teams that could use a backup plan - Carolina, Chicago, Washington (wouldn't that be hilarious?), Denver, Jax, zona, Cincy. Several teams relying on 2nd year guys to make a big jump with no real fall back option. Then you have the teams with Foles/Bridgewater where I'm not sure what the plan really is. I'd say his best landing spot would be arizona. If Murray were to go down, he'd have hopkins/drake and a younger coach who might skew the gameplan a bit towards his strengths.

I mean - the Jim Tomsula and Chip Kelly 49ers reigns were really short. Joe Staley was the only remotely talented offensive lineman, and it seemed like everyone on the offense outside of Boldin was banged up. In 2016 his numbers weren't terrible with WRs led by Kerley and (checks notes...) patton... They couldn't stop anyone. They were actually undefeated if their opponent scored fewer than 21 points...

Vick came back from prison for dog fighting. If he still looks the part in a workout, and is willing to accept a backup spot, he can find a job. Cam Newton's still a free agent at this point though which hurts his chances. Arizona could be a good spot for him - even with the time off i think he's an upgrade over hundley.

They should be able to afford said daily testing too.

I think a more effective running game is a big start, limiting penalties would help too. I don't think they need to necessarily rush more, just utilize the moss/singletary backfield better. Gore had an alright start, but by the end of the season he was just not gaining yards. 2nd and 4-6 is so much better than 2nd and 8-11 - you have more of the playbook at your disposal.

Gurley is a 2x All-pro with injury concerns and look at the contract he got. Cook is 1 year younger comes with injury concerns, and has never produced at gurleys level. I think he's a valuable player, but i wouldn't give him what he asks for.

Just have some kind of tournament at that point. Not that you could get the players to play for the amount of money they'd get.

I mean... I'm sure Michael vick was more talented than tom brady after bradys first season. Things can change.

And they added Moss.

Then we have to pay him... and give up stuff to get him. Do we want to keep our players (tre, milano, dawkins), or just trade for vikings?

Right... We know all of that now. There are concerns with Tua too. 13 on the wonderlic. Other than lamar jackson who else has been remotely successful with a score that low? Rumored issues with the white board at the combine. Injury issues I think the callout of his absurd talent at WR and OT is something to keep in mind. Physical talent is there - but did these guys make it a bit easier for him? Can't really deny that.

I mean - he's not wrong. College success doesn't really mean anything when translating to the NFL. Look at Leinart, Vince young, Tebow... and many others. Having a stacked supporting cast makes it even more difficult to evaluate.

An improved run game should help with creating more makeable 3rd downs. They also seemed to have a fair amount of penalties, and sacks on 1st and 2nd downs. Get that sack rate a bit lower on 1st/2nd down by running more quick hitters... OR by checking down if you don't like the main route. No - but i hate when a QB throws a 4 yard out route to a TE on 3rd and 13.

He might end up signing for about that much. There's rumors of the cap going down in 2021 so teams are going to want to carry over more than normal. That cap space we have now might be earmarked for Milano/dawkins/tre. Does he want to sign at a place with hughes and addison? He's traditionally played roughly 80% of snaps when healthy. Depending which side he plays on - he might be looking at say - 50-60%. Assuming he plays on say hughes side. Also - if he's so good... why are Murphy's stats from 2019 better than Clowneys?

Everything you want in a backup - Smart, has some moxie, can win some games. Unfortunately he keeps starting places.

Yeah - Power and zone plays have the potential to get blown up, especially with that many players along the LOS. If you sneak on 3rd and 1 and don't get it - you're very likely at 4th and less than half a yard.

Ouch. Gonna be news worthy when spencer long gets moved to the visiting locker room.

I don't think he'll ever be a 10 sack guy. I don't think that they got him to be that. Between him and Ogbah they've got edge setters to help with their terrible rush defense. Wilkins another year in and adding van noy as a rusher should help the pass rush too. They went the secondary route to get tougher against the pass.

LJ was able to hit on more deep throws last year. He's also more accurate on those TE throws. Roman WR's typically run a ton of hitches/outs/fly routes so its simple to read for the QB, and then the TE's kind of work off of that. Lots of condensed sets to make it easier to run the ball, and identify mis-matches post-snap. Kaepernick had the arm strength for all those, but he'd sail a lot. He also held the ball more, resulting in more sacks.