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    Have You Started To Lose Faith in Josh Allen?

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    7 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:


    There’s a difference between being biased and being honest with what you are seeing - even when it’s not what the result you want.  Many Bills fans seem to have an issue with the latter.  
     

    There are all kinds of excuses and bogus rationalizations (like you saying the blocked punt was the difference) for Josh’s performance but the bottom line is - he stunk.  He hurt the team very badly and had it not been for excellent defense, his mistakes could have sunk the team.  Everyone who watches the game said it.  I just read Joe Buscaglia’s All 22 report and Josh got a D+.....a D+! 
     

    The jury is still very much out on Allen.  While his game winning drives given us hope, performances like Cincinnati and New England make you second guess whether he’ll actually fix his game.  That’s the whole point of this thread.

    I think a point that should be made - which I've alluded to, is that the defence is protecting Allen.

     

    Because the defense has played so well Allen's INTs and FUMBLES haven't been highlighted as much as they WOULD have been if the defence had folded and we were blown out. It would have been highlighted that Allen lost us the game there.

     

    Could argue that it's good for his 'development' for Allen to fail before he succeeds but the defence has allowed him to take his risks. I'm OK with Allen's risks as long as he gets better.. HOWEVER im not convinced he's going to get the point where WE WANT after seeing him regress like that.

    Cold Front Report: Claims Zay almost traded before season, and on trade block now

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    1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    Yeah, almost all of McKenzies entire production is essentially a run play for a TD qualified as a reception since Allen tossed the ball 3 inches forward.  

     

    If not for that run counting as a pass on the stat sheet, the 3 WRs have combined 9 rec for 78 yards on the season.  

     

    Allen needs help...badly.   And yes, I know you are one of those posters lol, and its fine you still believe in him, I dont have an issue with that.  I don't, and many others have lost faith...but the one thing we can all agree on, Zay and Allen are not demonstrating any sort of chemistry.  

    'Allen needs help...badly.'

     

    Receivers are open.

     

    Didn't look like he needed help first drive after the half.

    Have You Started To Lose Faith in Josh Allen?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    3 minutes ago, Tcali said:

    yep the weakness is accentuated under pressure...whereas with guys like kelly,montana etc they get more accurate the more pressure there is. JA can work on these things.If he judiciously uses his GREAT running ability this will also be helpful

    Its like tunnel vision your describing.

     

    I HAVE seen that kind of thing with Allen in terms of focus, in clutch moments, but it's whether it can be sustained or whether he will only ever flash it. 

     

    He always seems more settled when he can run for some yards in drives, teams will take that away though and force him to be a pocket passer

    The Athletic: Brett Favre’s Advice to Josh Allen

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    28 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

     

    Wasn't this what Daboll tried to tell Josh in the off season?  I seem to recall an article about Josh's development where he admitted as much.  I just wonder how much longer it will take for Josh to stop reverting to his college form and play the way he's being taught now.  This includes sliding rather than trying to be a big RB.

    He needs to start sliding NOW.

    No need to dive head first. 

     

    I think he will always have some risk to his play in terms of INTS because of his nature and the fact that he is not the most accurate QB.

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    The Athletic: Brett Favre’s Advice to Josh Allen

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    2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

    Brett should personally call Allen

     

    That would be such a blessing for our young gunslinger to know that another legend is in his corner

    It might have come to that as he's not listening to his coach! ?

    2 hours ago, jletha said:

     

     

    This play looks so Allen-like its scary....and maybe a bit encouraging lol?

    It is!

    Have You Started To Lose Faith in Josh Allen?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by london_bills

    13 minutes ago, Tcali said:

    he has a long way to go but havent given up on him.

    He will never be a great QB because of his inaccuracy. He can become a good QB if he learns to have more composure...throwing the ball away when needed, working to his strengths and knowing his limitationsHaving more awareness out there when we are in FG position(sacks are not acceptable esp when they take you out of FG range).

    There is just too much time when he loses focus and we end up scoring no points for 3 QTRS after we have been driving down the field all day...-We cant expect our D to be the 2000 ravens.we are good but not that good.

    barkley is way better than edwards. as soon as teams realized that all edwards could throw was a buttonhook then defending him became very easy. he couldnt lead a receiver if his life depended on it.

    'he will never be a great QB because of his inaccuracy'. I tend to agree. 

     

    I always notice how INACCURATE Allen is when another QB Barkley or Peterman, yes Peterman, came in and looked more pinpoint.

     

    When Allen's IN RHYTHM he's better on all fronts. He's not naturally accurate and so this element of his game gets worse when he is under pressure or 'in his head'.

     

    Have You Started To Lose Faith in Josh Allen?

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    Posted · Edited by london_bills

    7 minutes ago, FLFan said:

    Yes with respect to your comment on defense, but we were talking about QB play.  As far as the hysteria is concerned, yes it is.  There are absolutely no concerns arising from the NE game that were not already present.  Allen is precisely the same player today as he was before the game, albeit more experienced.  Yet people are now comparing him to Trent Edwards and suggesting that Barkley will be an improvement.  Clearly, mass hysteria has taken over Bills Nation.  

    I disagree. I saw something further against new England that made me question whether he has it. He was intimidated to me.

     

    How do you know he is precisely the same player after the game that he was before?

     

    He's better than Edwards and Barkley and we both know that. There are more highs and lows with Allen than the other two.

     

    Have You Started To Lose Faith in Josh Allen?

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    2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

    Interesting point....he also didnt lose the pats game along.

     

    If ST's doesnt give up a TD we win?

    Absolutely.

     

    he didn't lose the game on his own no. I mean 3 picks is giving the opposition the ball 3 times but the defence again did their thing.

     

    The interceptions with Allen don't bother ME that much. Neither does throwing across the body. There IS an issue with both of those but he's hit some for gains and I want an element of that still there because it's exciting.

    Josh's foot work in the first qtr - Woof

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    51 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

     

    I can't speak for other 'certain posters' but the reason many of us appear to go into hiding is because of the number of 'certain posters' who only come out when things DON'T go well.

     

    And then we have to sift through some of the most ridiculous threads on the most ridiculous topics because they are convinced that sitting on a sofa qualifies them to size up a pro football career that is just a quarter of the way through its second year.,

    • Trent Edwards Relived!
    • Have You Started To Lose Faith In Josh Allen?
    • Will Offense Operate Better With Barkley?
    • Where is Dick Jauron When You Need Him?
    • Why's Allen Not Getting Peterman-Like Treatment?
    • Foles Anyone? (Someone thinks it's a good idea to sit Allen and put in a guy who just had his collar bone broken? Really? :lol:)
    • This Game Has Me In A Dark Place!

    They even had their own "Crybaby" thread to keep all the nonsense neat and tidy in a single easy-to-ignore thread.

     

    But no. Random thoughts of disappointment rule the day after a loss.

     

    So, y'know, that's why certain posters don't come here after a loss. We wait for the ridiculous stuff to clear out so more rational conversations can fill the pages.

     

     

    People do not have to hold a BLACK or WHITE opinion of Allen.

     

    One doesn't need to be all on him or all out on him at this point, you can hold shades of both opinions to an equal or varying extent.

     

    You can have faith in him but still ask all the questions you have listed.

    There will always be boneheaded posts. Often for attention

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