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11 hours ago, Logic said:
I'll start by saying that this was far from my favorite Bills draft.
I'm usually Mr Optimistic when it comes to draft classes, but I thought this year's class was just...fine. It was like if you fed Brandon Beane's draft tendencies and the Bills' needs into ChatGPT and asked it to spit out the 2024 Bills draft class. It was completely on brand, it filled the needs we all knew the team had, and it'll probably end up producing a few average players and a couple good ones.
Ho-hum. Nobody in this class makes me stand up and say "that guy's really gonna help the Bills get over the hump and win a title".
Onto the picks:
1. Keon Coleman - I was not a fan of this pick. For a team whose WR corps needed more speed and separation, this guy made the LEAST sense to me of all the 1st/2nd round WR prospects. Josh Allen has historically thrived with fast, shifty WRs who separate well, and has not clicked with big-bodied guys who struggle with separation. So adding Keon Coleman? It feels like "Square peg, meet round hole". He does have great athleticism and RAC ability for a man his size. He's also young to the position, having played football full time for only two seasons and being only 20 years old. I have concerns about his ability to play X in the NFL, and I'll believe that he's a better fit as a big slot until proven otherwise. Here's hoping I'm wrong about Coleman. The absolute ceiling I see for him is "Solid WR2". Not what I was hoping for in a star studded WR class and with a crying need at the position.
2. Cole Bishop - Looks like he should be just what the doctor ordered at safety for the Bills. He seems to be more Poyer than Hyde, in that he's at his best in the box and playing the run, and he packs a wallop when he tackles. He appears to have untapped man coverage potential, with Dalton Kincaid saying Bishop usually got the better of him 1-on-1 at Utah. He also has freaky speed for the position and a great mental disposition. Should be an easy fit in the Bills' scheme. At the VERY least, I expect him to contribute from day 1 as a dime 'backer, but I'll ultimately be surprised if he doesn't wind up starting at one of the two safety spots by midseason.
3. Dewayne Carter - Good bull rusher, great motor, tons of experience, impeccable character. Seems like a 1T/3T 'tweener. Quickly apparent from his interviews that he's one of the smartest, most likable, easy to root for guys you'll ever see in the NFL. Should be a quality rotational tackle for the Bills and seems like, in time, he will provide quality leadership and a steadying presence on the D-line. May never be a big play guy, but may at least be a "dirty work" guy who allows others around him to thrive.
4. Ray Davis - Hard running inside guy with great vision, ability to get skinny, contact balance, and underrated breakaway ability. Had the most receiving TDs in 2023 of any SEC running back in 25 years. Should provide a nice change of pace to James Cook without the Bills necessarily losing anything in the pass game when he comes on the field. An older prospect, but I don't care, because he's a running back, and he won't be here past his first contract anyway. Another "likability" and leadership All-Star. Davis should provide steadiness and depth, but doesn't do anything that wows you, and I'm not sure he moves the needle much on offense.
5. Sedrick Van Pran - Tons of starting experience at Georgia. Has some traits reminiscent of Mitch Morse in terms of quickness, twitch, and ability on the move. Stop me if you've heard this one before -- lauded for his leadership. Should provide a good backup plan to Connor McGovern at center and/or provide competition at that position. It will not shock me if this guy is starting by year two. Seems like a great value at this point in the draft. One of my favorite picks.
5. Edufuan Ulofoshio - What do you want me to say? You didn't think the Bills would let a draft pass them by without selecting a late round special teams linebacker, did you? The room is starting to get a bit crowded with Milano, Bernard, Williams, Morrow, Spector, and Ulofoshio. However...the Bills lost ST stalwarts Dodsen, Matakevitch, and Neal, and needed some reinforcements there. That's what Ulo seems to be. I'll be surprised if he ever amounts to more than that, but at this point in the draft, that's what you're getting.
5. Javon Soloman - Undersized speed rusher (though he does have a great wingspan for the position) who had absolutely eye-popping production at Troy, where he out-produced Demarcus Ware and Osi Umenyoira. He can be a designated pass rusher and special teams guy and can learn from his idol Von Miller, after whom he says he models his game. Very much a boom/bust prospect, with seemingly equal potential to be the steal of the draft or an outright bust. I liked this pick a lot, and I'm betting on the former over the latter.
6. Tylan Grable - What do you want me to say? Did you think the Bills were gonna let a draft go by without taking a project offensive tackle late? I don't have much to say about this guy. He's just like Tommy Doyle or Luke Tenuta before him: a developmental tackle prospect who's a long shot to make the 53-man roster. With VanDemark and Collins already in place as backup OTs, it's hard to see this guy making the roster.
6. Daequan Hardy - Special teams guy. Standout punt returner and gunner. I usually look to Bills' late round corners with excitement, because they're usually big-bodied guys with zone eyes who only dropped due to underwhelming athleticism. Hardy does not appear to fit that mold. He appears instead to be a punt return candidate and, beyond that, I'm not sure where he'd fit in. His only hope is as a nickel, but the Bills are obviously set there with Taron Johnson.
7. Travis Clayton - At least this one's fun. A guy from the International Pathways program who has never played a down of football in his life. But he's 6'7", 301 lbs and runs a 4.79. The hope is that he turns into the next Jordan Mailata. A fun story and will be fun to track, but obviously a longshot and likely a practice squad guy at best.
Overall, it was clear that leadership, maturity, and experience were high priorities for the Bills this year. Again and again, they picked guys who were team captains and lauded for their leadership abilities. Given all the leadership that walked out the door this offseason, that certainly makes sense. Again and again, they picked guys with lots of starting experience, guys who shined at the Senior Bowl, and guys who have their heads screwed on straight. Given that they will be counting on some of these guys to contribute from day one, and given that they seem to be doing a bit of a locker room reset, this also makes sense.
The reason that I am ultimately unexcited by this year's draft class is this: I wanted the Bills to prioritize building around Josh Allen. I wanted them to either take a swing for the fences by trading up for a star receiver, or -- failing that -- to go the Packers route and draft a handful of skill position players to surround him with. If they were unable to acquire great quality, then I hoped they would at least acquire quantity. I fear that in choosing Keon Coleman, they may have failed to achieve the "quality" goal, and in refusing to draft any other receivers, they also failed to achieve the "quantity" goal. And Ray Davis is the definition of "uninspiring" at running back. He'll be a fine depth player and grind out tough yards, I'm sure, but he doesn't move the needle much on offense. Neither Coleman nor Davis seem like they upgrade the offense. Just...status quo at best.
In a year where I felt the very TOP priority was to improve on offense, I feel the Bills failed to meaningfully do so. In an offseason where I hoped they'd make a bold move or two to try to find an elite player for this offense, they failed to try. After hearing "Josh needs more weapons" for a couple years running, he now seems to have less. The WR corps seems to have regressed, and seems to lack any true downfield explosiveness or viable deep threat.
This draft class was not a disaster, by any means. it seems FINE. Just fine. Keon Coleman doesn't scream "Alpha WR1" to me. Ray Davis seems like an average NFL backup. Cole Bishop and Javon Soloman seem to perhaps have playmaking potential on defense. Beyond that -- meh.
When the Bills decided to go young and start a roster reset, I had hope that Beane was gonna try to do things differently, since the old way he was doing things didn't get the Bills over the hump. They've been hitting too man singles and doubles over the years and not enough home runs. Instead, he appears to be doing things exactly the same way this time around. He seems to be content to collect character/culture guys, whose ceiling is "good, solid NFL player", rather than taking any risks or big swings for potential stars. He hasn't really taken those swings, to my estimation, since the Allen/Edmunds class. THAT'S why I'm disappointed in this draft class. It seems fine, solid, steady, and logical, but it doesn't seem like it'll move the needle much.
I will move on to hoping that the post June 1st money infusion brings us a quality veteran receiver and maybe a pass rusher either via free agency or trade. Failing that, it would be hard for me to conclude anything other than that it looks like the Bills are poised to take a step back this year. 2025 looks promising in terms of cap space and draft capital, but if it's gonna continue to be "business as usual" for Brandon Beane, then I'm not sure how excited I should allow myself to get for that.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.Daniel Jeremiah said it best saying it was a rock solid draft and I was actually using the same phrase threw out the draft.
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11 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
So there are a certain number of folks here who are wailing and gnashing teeth over Coleman because he’s not fast. That we don’t place emphasis on speed. So let’s do some math and compare a supposed fast time (4.2) with the supposed slow time of 4.6, which if memory serves correct is Coleman.
The formula is simple: 40 yards/time gives you how many yards per second.
For 4.2: 40/4.2= 9.5 yards/sec
For 4.6: 40/4.6 = 8.7 yards/sec
So if you have a guy running 40 yards downfield they’d gain about 3 yards. At 4.2 vs 4.6. Seems like a significant difference although I haven’t run stats. But I also don’t consider other variables like time to accelerate to maximum speed, effect of equipment on times, and such.
For me I’d be looking not just for speed, but how fast you get to top speed, how long you can maintain top speed, arm length (longer arms may negate the gap based purely on speed), quickness in getting in and out of breaks. And likely more if I gave it more thought. This is why Marcel St. Jacques wrote an article for espn.com indicating the 40 time isn’t very useful anymore.
So this kid may not be a sprinter, but he’s quite the athlete (all state basketball), young still, will have height advantages over many corners. I’m intrigued to see what he and other drafted guys bring to the table.
Speed matters no doubt about it but like u said there's different types of speed and speed is just a part of the equation to making a good to great Wr . There's plenty examples of slower Wrs putting up huge numbers because they have other strengths to lean on and there's also the design of offense they play in and the type of QB they have that factor into this.
I truly believe Josh plays better with separators. Josh is not the most accurate QB and neither is he a conventional drop back timing anticipation QB either. So the problem to me is if Coleman is the right type of Wr for Josh. Wrs like Coleman play better with accurate QBs like Drew Brees or Brady . Big Ben needed fast smaller separators to play at his best and I believe Josh plays more like Ben then those other QBs I mentioned.
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19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
I'm reserving judgement until I see what happens. I think something is in play outside the draft, ie, building up capital to trade for a WR on a roster already.
In a strong yr in the draft for Wrs u don't do that.
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This draft is a disaster!
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28 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:
I think if he hadn't had concussion symptoms Aaron Williams had a good albeit short career moving to safety.
Yeah that was sad he was becoming a bonafide player. My point to this topic was players that come into the league picked high in the draft 1st Rd players usually don't pan out when they have to switch positions right away. I was talking about these Hybrid tweener types . Especially outside corners making transition to safety in particular haven't been very successful. Slot corners are usually the players making a successful transition but that's because a slot corner has basically the same responsibility as safeties.
If your telling me draft Cooper and play him as a outside corner his natural position that's fine with me but to move him to a new spot as a first Rd pk is too much projection for me and rather take a player later in the draft to make such a move. Players drafted between Rds 4-7 usually make this move more naturally because they have the time to adjust and learn there new position with no pressure of being a 1st Rd pk that needs to showcase his skills right away. In Cooper case some have said he's a good to great Zone corner and if that's the case I still don't want him because zone corners are like running backs in a way u kind them all threw out the draft u hardly see Zone Only corners being drafted high in the draft.
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3 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:
Has Byrd been wiped from everyone's memories or something? 2nd round pick for us, led the league in INTs as a rookie free safety after playing CB in college.
There was a couple recent examples brought by Gunner but for people to need to go back this far is a classic example of why the Bills shouldn't draft Dejean.
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1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:
I completely agree with all of this. My guess is that NE likes two of the top three, or one of the latter two thirds of that analysis, and they might be open to the AJ Smith model of loading up the rest of the roster now and plugging in the QB in the next year or two.
On the receivers point, I agree with the odds of success favoring a young QB with that pair in place. But, if the Vikings need to generate extra draft capital to make the move, and if they feel strongly enough about the guy they're moving for, flipping one of those guys to get it done isn't an outlandish idea. Jefferson's intermittent friction with Cousins is in the back of my mind on this one. If that guy didn't like Cousins, and he's approaching extension territory, then I wonder how he's going to do with Darnold as a journeyman placeholder, or with Daniels/Maye/McCarthy/whomever trying to figure things out on the fly.
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I'll add this. I'm wrestling with Jefferson's value this morning. Is it a pair of ones? Is it a 1 + 2? Maybe a 1 + a future 2? Or could it be as low as a 1 given what is likely to be an enormous financial commitment? I don't know. From the Bills' perspective, adding a guy with that type of salary is completely contrary to what they appear to be trying to do after getting Diggs out of the locker room. But if I'm Beane . . . it doesn't hurt to check on the price.
No way JJ goes for just a 1 we have seen other players go for more and still get paid big money.
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1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:
If he can learn that easily, why has he not learned it. Dude was a 5th year senior.
He's a late bloomer but nonetheless a bloomer and the arrow is definitely up on this kid.
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6 hours ago, JBI$111 said:
Hopefully the Bill's don't give up too much, they usually get fleeced and give away more than the trade value would suggest when they make moves up or generally make a trade. Other teams know they're desperate to trade up for a wide receiver, it's a huge glaring need and of course they'll take advantage of it. The Bill's are not in a good position to negotiate fair value if they want to trade up that bad and other teams know it.
Maybe trade up a little bit and get Worthy and then trade for Metcalf or get another large receiver later on after they get Worthy. Can't let Miami get Worthy or Kansas City.
Worthy is as light as a feather I like him but won't trade up for him. I much rather stay put and take the freight train that's Xaxier Leggette 220lbs at 4.37 is serious explosiveness. Leggette was also the fastest tracked player by mileage last yr as he was tracked at over 22 miles per hour. The combo of speed and strength the blocking abilities the after the catch abilities I don't care if he's 23yrs old the man can be a monster in this game. He reminds me of a faster Eric Moulds and like Moulds coming out wasn't the best route runner coming out of college but he can learn that easily because he has the movement skills.
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9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I think he is a zone corner and will be a good one. I would not move him to safety personally.
As for the wary of hybrids..... Kyle Dugger, Kyle Hamilton, Tyran Mathieu - all hybrids in college who have been good to excellent in the NFL.
None of these guys were outside corners in college it's easier to make transition to safety from slot corner or from safety to LB . But I'll give u credit they were hybrid types but they played only one position on the NFL level except for Hamilton he plays LB , Safety and Slot .
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9 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Brian Urlacher says hello 👋
8 hours ago, mrags said:Well. I think the difference is that Dejean is listed as a CB in college (not every year but in 2023 he was) and we’re talking about him moving around and being a tweener at multiple positions in the NFL. Where as Urlacher was the tweener in college and he played generally LB in the nfl (other than his first season).
my point is this, in the first round you should be getting a guy that you think is going to be a solid starter at a specific position of need in your team. Not a Swiss Army knife that isn’t great at anything but able to do 3-4 different positions. To me, this kid looks like a go between of a safety and a CB, and will excel at special teams. I don’t see him as much more than a role player. Which is fine, but not worthy of a wasted #1 pick.
And for the record, bringing up a guy like Urlacher being drafted 24 years ago would be like anyone bringing up Len Dawson being one of the best ever. Completely different times. The game has changed. Not even in the same argument.
They really had to go back 24yrs. 😂
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13 minutes ago, Brandon said:
I don't think he's a hybrid player. He's a zone CB with good size, and given his pro day testing, looks like an athletic freak. If he doesn't make it at CB, then you move him to safety, but I'd give him his first shot at CB.
That might be his best spot as Zone corner but most people got him moving to Safety as if we didn't him to move him to another position that's something that never hardly works especially for high picks players. I mean we seen Milano make that transaction from Safety to Lber but he's one of few that's done that
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Correct me if I'm wrong but these guys never pan out especially when drafted in first 2 rds where pressure is on them to contribute right away.
I've seen Corners move to safety as vets and still play on a high level or even mid to late Rd pks like Poyer and Hyde make the transition and become studs but please if anyone here knows of a player that went high in the draft and was able to either move from corner to safety or vis versa and do it at a high level right away. We just recently seen Simmons get drafted high and he was a stud at Clemson and moving to safety derailed his career and he played that postion in college as well as corner and Lber these hybrid tweener types never pan out drafted high the ones that do or the lower Rd pks that get the time and patience from the coaches to make that full transition and if your thinking about flat out using Dejean like in college as a hybrid player on the NFL level that never works as well. So if anyone remembers someone that actually made this transition please add to the chat, thanks.
Cooper will not be a good corner in the NFL as well he has tight hips and gets burned by lower level players in the big ten . I realize he's made some splash plays on tape but thats not gonna help him on the NFL level where u see professionals on a daily basis in practice and at 100% on Sundays.
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10 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:
The more I read and the more mock drafts I simulate on the net, the more I've come to the conclusion that Beane needs to acquire two more top 100 picks in order to meet the team's needs for a starting WR, and good rotational players (and possible 2025 starters) at S, DL and Edge.
When I look at rankings and the mock drafts there is a tier of WRs from 28-45 (Mitchell, McConkey, Worthy, Coleman and Pearsall), a tier of safeties from 65-80 (Bullard, Nubin, Kinchens, Bishops and Bullock), a tier of DL from 50-70 (Jenkins, Orhorhoro, Hall, Smith & Fiske) and a tier of edge players 65-90 (Isaac, Braswell, Booker, Trice & Elliss). The Bills currently have picks 28 & 60 and then nothing until 128. There are also some Edge players at approx 28 (Robinson & Kneeland), WRs at 60ish (Legette, Polk, Corley, Wilson).. I also like WR Devontez Walker as a possible 3rd rd steal.
There are 4 approaches to get the picks we need. 1) Trade down from 28. This should garner us a top 100 pick for just moving down a few slots. 2) Trade down from 60. To get a top 100 pick this way, we'll have to add one of our 4th rd picks. A deal might look like 60 and 133 for 65 & 94. 3) The 3rd method would be to package our 4th rd picks and additional 5th or 6th rd picks to move back into the late 3rd rd. Lastly, I can see Beane trading our 2nd or 3rd in 2025 plus a later pick in 2024 to get back into the 2nd or 3rd rd, especially with the Minn 2nd in hand.
Depending of how the draft falls on Thursday, I'd trade down from 28 to 31 for SF's 3rd rd pick (94). The second move I'd make is trading our 3rd rd pick in 2025 and a 4th in 2024 (133) to Atl for pick 79.
When I mocked this, I walked away with McConkey at 31, Fiske at 60, Ellis at 79 (we like Utah players after all
) and Bullock at 94. I then added Green (CB FSU) at 128, McCaffrey (WR Rice) at 144 and my sleeper Guerendo (RB Louisville) at 160.
Thoughts on the strategy(s)?
Good job on your post I not I'm gonna say I disagree with the premise of it. Filling needs threw the draft is for loser organizations if your saying those are the best players available at those spots like maybe Fiske would be one is a great idea. But trading and adding picks to fill needs is a horrible mistake because these players are going to be rookies and u can't expect them to fill needs right away . They need to be developed properly and given the time to prove they can play right away. Taking BPA is still not a for sure thing but it's what the best teams do and in 2yrs most those guys would have huge roles on this team and filling holes that would have been if they weren't drafted.
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1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said:
Curious - if you had to chose between Legette and McConkey at 28 -- who do you take?
Personally I take McConkey (but I really like Legette too). My thinking is -- McConkey is may be the best separator in the draft. If a receiver can separate Josh will find him (as he found Beasly). After Harrison and Odumze, other than Legette, there are not big-bodied X's I truly love. I like Thomas, but I assume he is gone (and he is not really a size match-up problem). I don't trust Mitchell or Franklin, do not like Coleman or Walker. I would take McConkey and be sure to get Brendan Rice later. While he has some limitations, all scouting reports seem to say that the 6'4" Rice has elite acceleration and can really take the top off. Having an X that can do that would be great. Shakir and McConkey can be really strong mixed through as the Z and slot. Both of them can get deep as well.
Personally, I would take McConkey, Defense at 60, move up from 128 to get Rice and spend the rest of my picks on defense (save maybe an IOL and very late RB (like pick 248)).
Thoughts?
McConkey never had more then 40 catches and 750yds in college u sure u want him?
1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said:Curious - if you had to chose between Legette and McConkey at 28 -- who do you take?
Personally I take McConkey (but I really like Legette too). My thinking is -- McConkey is may be the best separator in the draft. If a receiver can separate Josh will find him (as he found Beasly). After Harrison and Odumze, other than Legette, there are not big-bodied X's I truly love. I like Thomas, but I assume he is gone (and he is not really a size match-up problem). I don't trust Mitchell or Franklin, do not like Coleman or Walker. I would take McConkey and be sure to get Brendan Rice later. While he has some limitations, all scouting reports seem to say that the 6'4" Rice has elite acceleration and can really take the top off. Having an X that can do that would be great. Shakir and McConkey can be really strong mixed through as the Z and slot. Both of them can get deep as well.
Personally, I would take McConkey, Defense at 60, move up from 128 to get Rice and spend the rest of my picks on defense (save maybe an IOL and very late RB (like pick 248)).
Thoughts?
I rather do the same thing your proposing but take a Combo of Xaxier Leggette and Malik Washington. Much better combo in my opinion for same pks
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15 hours ago, LEBills said:
We now have 7 drafts in the books where McDermott has been involved in the draft and 6 with Beane. In those 7 years, the Bills have drafted 7 players from three different coaching trees which may provide a hint to targets in the 2024 draft:
Billy Napier (Florida Gators)
O’Cyrus Torrence - 2023 second round
Justin Shorter - 2023 fifth round
Kaiir Elam - 2022 first round
Dave Aranda (LSU and Baylor)
Terrel Bernard - 2022 third round
Tre White - 2017 first round
Manny Diaz (Miami and Penn State)
Greg Rousseau - 2021 first round
Jaquan Johnson - 2019 sixth round
2024 Draftable players from these coaches include -
Billy Napier:
Ricky Pearsall, WR, projected Day 2 - Pearsall transferred in Napiers first year at Florida from ASU. Put up excellent Senior Bowl and Combine performances and is getting a lot of hype as a top 50 player in the draft.
Dave Aranda:
Gabe Hall, DT, projected Day 3 - Hall is a tall, long DT. Rushes high do to his height and may be best as a 3-4 end. 2 time entrant in Dane Bruglers Freaks list.
Manny Diaz:
Kamren kinchens, S, Day 2 - Kinchens is a productive, ball hawking safety that started as a true Freshman in 2021. He recently tested poorly at the combine.
James Williams, S/LB, Day 3 - A 6’4’’ safety who is better coming downhill and may need a change of position in the NFL
Leonard Taylor, DT, Day 3 - all hype and talent with very little production
(All three Hurricanes were recruited to Miami for Diaz’s final year in 2021 and all played as Freshmen.)Chop Robinson, DE, Round 1 - Explosive pass rusher that is learning to translate traits into production
Adisa Isaac, DE, Round 2-3 - The more productive of the PSU edge defenders.
Kalen king, CB, Day 3 - once thought to be the next star college corner, his play has tapered off and measurables are only average. Move to safety possible.
Johnny Dixon, CB, Day 3 - small aggressive corner who likely will be a nickel cornerback in the NFL
Curtis Jacobs LB, Day 3- a leader at Penn State, a bigger linebacker more suited against the run
Any Buffalo Bills?
Highest chance (imo):
1.) Kamren Kinchens - I think Kinchens is the most likely to match need and draft range. Kinchens really disappointed at the combine but just prior to Kinchens testing Beane was quoted as saying ‘“I think instincts are really big at safety. If you’re telling me, ‘you can have an athletic guy that’s a 4.3 (in the forty yard dash), 4.4 safety but he doesn’t have instincts,’ I’ll take the 4.6 guy with instincts, ball skills, and a little less range.”’ Kinchens has 11 interceptions in his past 2 collegiate years. We also just hired Jahmile Addae as our CB coach after he was Kinchens DB coach for the past two years.
2.) Adissa Isaac - Isaac fits the body type the Bills tend to like with long arms. He was a team captain this year and led the team in sacks in 2023. Also reported to be a good character player who does a lot for the special needs community of which all of his siblings belong. Bills were reported to have met with Isaac at his Pro Day where he had an excellent performance according to reports. PSU is considered a local school for the Bills and so if they do bring him in it does not count against the top 30 visits.
3.) Ricky Pearsall - If the Bills do decide not to go WR at 28, Pearsall may be in play at 60. Though he did play in the slot about 60% of the time, McBeane may see a good WR4 candidate that can learn all the WR positions. In last years post draft conference, Beane joked about how he should get an office at UofF due to the amount of Florida players they picked up in the last two drafts.
Final Thoughts:
Though the Bills have drafted from these coaching trees pretty consistently, it does not happen every year (2018, 2020) so it may not happen this year. Also missing that third round pick may make it difficult for the Bills to have a chance at some of the prospects listed as many could be gone between pick 60 and 128. And the Bills have predominantly selected from these coaching trees in the first three rounds (5 of 7 pick).
I do think it goes to show the Bills willingness to take chances on guys that may not exactly fit their past schemes (Elam, Torrence), or didn’t test too well (Rousseau, Johnson, Benford, Tre) when these players are tied to coaching staffs they trust.
Adisa Isaac is on my please don't draft list!
Chris Kelsey 2.0 he'll be a career 6sk a yr guy. Please DON'T DRAFT!
15 hours ago, LEBills said:We now have 7 drafts in the books where McDermott has been involved in the draft and 6 with Beane. In those 7 years, the Bills have drafted 7 players from three different coaching trees which may provide a hint to targets in the 2024 draft:
Billy Napier (Florida Gators)
O’Cyrus Torrence - 2023 second round
Justin Shorter - 2023 fifth round
Kaiir Elam - 2022 first round
Dave Aranda (LSU and Baylor)
Terrel Bernard - 2022 third round
Tre White - 2017 first round
Manny Diaz (Miami and Penn State)
Greg Rousseau - 2021 first round
Jaquan Johnson - 2019 sixth round
2024 Draftable players from these coaches include -
Billy Napier:
Ricky Pearsall, WR, projected Day 2 - Pearsall transferred in Napiers first year at Florida from ASU. Put up excellent Senior Bowl and Combine performances and is getting a lot of hype as a top 50 player in the draft.
Dave Aranda:
Gabe Hall, DT, projected Day 3 - Hall is a tall, long DT. Rushes high do to his height and may be best as a 3-4 end. 2 time entrant in Dane Bruglers Freaks list.
Manny Diaz:
Kamren kinchens, S, Day 2 - Kinchens is a productive, ball hawking safety that started as a true Freshman in 2021. He recently tested poorly at the combine.
James Williams, S/LB, Day 3 - A 6’4’’ safety who is better coming downhill and may need a change of position in the NFL
Leonard Taylor, DT, Day 3 - all hype and talent with very little production
(All three Hurricanes were recruited to Miami for Diaz’s final year in 2021 and all played as Freshmen.)Chop Robinson, DE, Round 1 - Explosive pass rusher that is learning to translate traits into production
Adisa Isaac, DE, Round 2-3 - The more productive of the PSU edge defenders.
Kalen king, CB, Day 3 - once thought to be the next star college corner, his play has tapered off and measurables are only average. Move to safety possible.
Johnny Dixon, CB, Day 3 - small aggressive corner who likely will be a nickel cornerback in the NFL
Curtis Jacobs LB, Day 3- a leader at Penn State, a bigger linebacker more suited against the run
Any Buffalo Bills?
Highest chance (imo):
1.) Kamren Kinchens - I think Kinchens is the most likely to match need and draft range. Kinchens really disappointed at the combine but just prior to Kinchens testing Beane was quoted as saying ‘“I think instincts are really big at safety. If you’re telling me, ‘you can have an athletic guy that’s a 4.3 (in the forty yard dash), 4.4 safety but he doesn’t have instincts,’ I’ll take the 4.6 guy with instincts, ball skills, and a little less range.”’ Kinchens has 11 interceptions in his past 2 collegiate years. We also just hired Jahmile Addae as our CB coach after he was Kinchens DB coach for the past two years.
2.) Adissa Isaac - Isaac fits the body type the Bills tend to like with long arms. He was a team captain this year and led the team in sacks in 2023. Also reported to be a good character player who does a lot for the special needs community of which all of his siblings belong. Bills were reported to have met with Isaac at his Pro Day where he had an excellent performance according to reports. PSU is considered a local school for the Bills and so if they do bring him in it does not count against the top 30 visits.
3.) Ricky Pearsall - If the Bills do decide not to go WR at 28, Pearsall may be in play at 60. Though he did play in the slot about 60% of the time, McBeane may see a good WR4 candidate that can learn all the WR positions. In last years post draft conference, Beane joked about how he should get an office at UofF due to the amount of Florida players they picked up in the last two drafts.
Final Thoughts:
Though the Bills have drafted from these coaching trees pretty consistently, it does not happen every year (2018, 2020) so it may not happen this year. Also missing that third round pick may make it difficult for the Bills to have a chance at some of the prospects listed as many could be gone between pick 60 and 128. And the Bills have predominantly selected from these coaching trees in the first three rounds (5 of 7 pick).
I do think it goes to show the Bills willingness to take chances on guys that may not exactly fit their past schemes (Elam, Torrence), or didn’t test too well (Rousseau, Johnson, Benford, Tre) when these players are tied to coaching staffs they trust.
The Bills have an infatuation with adding players whether threw the draft or free agency with having a connection to knowing said player. I know other teams do this but it seems like the Bills do this more then any other team. Mcd has trust issues no doubt about it
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19 hours ago, Turbo44 said:
I would love to get Mitchell at 28 and Ladd at 40 (trade up with 60 and a 2025 2nd).
with no trades, Ladd at 28 and see who’s left at 60. Walker certainly will be, as will Baker, but maybe Legette, Franklin or Polk slides to 60.
either of these senarios would give us a better wr group than any in recent memory. Out other needs (DE, S, DT, OL) can be filled with out multiple 4th, 5th and 6th round picks
I'm no pro but been following draft for over 25yrs . I don't know why the hype for Baker to me he's a late 3rd or 4th Rd pk.
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14 minutes ago, LEBills said:
Yea I’m not a fan either, but the weak DE class is having teams looking for potential and he has the coveted size, workout number combo.
The last two years the Bills have had their second round pick in for a 30 visit so I give guys who have had that the inside track for the Bills for better or worse.I can see your point but the Bills can't afford to flop on another DE with a high pk. If he falls to the 4th that's fine but otherwise take someone else like Mohamed Kamara I like him better.
This is a horrible yr for edge players I much rather use a high pick on DT there's tons of value at that position from the 2nd Rd to the early to mid 4th. I realize there's a major need for a edge player for the Bills but drafting for need is a recipe for disaster. Take a DE in the mid rds use your high pks on proven ballers.
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20 hours ago, Beck Water said:
https://www.buffalobills.com/video/nfl-total-access-should-the-bills-draft-two-receivers-in-the-first-three-rounds
Be nice if he'd explain how the Bills get a draft pick in the 3rd round.Bottom line: seems nobody buys Beane's presser about how WR isn't a gaping hole for the Bills.
Anyway, Lance Zierlein isn't just a clickbait talking head. He's the guy who does all the draft profiles for NFL.com, and while his grades and round projections are off, when go back and I read his actual scouting reports for strengths and weaknesses after the player has been in the league a while, I find myself nodding.
I would love for the Bills to get a combo of Xaxier Leggette and Malik Washington. I don't care about Washington size the kid is a baller.
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6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yep. I put a 5th on him. He has very little production because he doesn't have a rush plan. I'm not sure how he wins in the NFL.
The one thing I really like about him is that motor he has its Crosby esq. But still in the 4th that's fine with me not the 2nd.
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On 4/11/2024 at 7:29 PM, KDIGGZ said:
Keon Coleman is hot garbage. Super slow, can't release. Maybe as a 3rd or 4th rounder you get him to be an end zone threat type of guy.
Perfect fit for McBeane. They used to love these types of guys back at Band Camp in Carolina. They drafted big slows like Benjamin and Funchness. Maybe there feeling nostalgic during the draft. 😂
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This could possibly be the first ever kicker related post on 2Bills ever! 😂
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6 hours ago, LEBills said:
@gonzo1105 did Brugler say it was ok to copy his Bills picks? I kid, I kid
I do think we will be surprised how few WRs go before the Bills pick. I think a lot of teams will target them in round 2 with the deep class. I like Brian Thomas so I’m good with the pick.
I still think 60 will be a defensive lineman like Isaac, Kneeland or Orohroro. If they went safety here, I think it would be Kinchens despite combine. Couple of ties between Addae and McD favorite Manny Diaz that link him to the Bills.
Other astute picks: I do feel like Johnny Newton makes it to rd 2 despite being a first round talent. I agree Chop goes before Latu due to the medicals.
I don't know why Kneeland ranked so high by draft pundits . He has minimal statical production on a college level and that's major red flag to me especially considering he played against less competition in a small conference he should've dominated. I realize he has the physical abilities and the measurements that most teams covet but to me that would make him a 4th or 5th Rd pk at best.
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3 hours ago, bigduke6 said:
sorry, i dont trust Bill. he was a-- as a head coach before Brady, and hes been a-- since. i truly wonder just how much of the cheating led to their dynasty. Bill has always been a good D coordinator but he always seemed to know what the other team was doing. the things the Pats got busted for doing over the years, are most likely the tip of the iceberg. there was so much smoke, there had to be a fire. Bill has also proven that he cant develop anything on the offensive side of the ball, beyond 1 QB, and thats with having full control as GM for all those years. i doubt he comes to the Bills with zero GM power.
btw, the Pats also started to struggle as Brady got older, and the Pats were clamped down upon by the NFL for their extracurricular activities. then Brady leaves and immediately wins another ring. i dont buy Bill. i think the rest of the league doesnt buy him either anymore.
He did take a rookie QB to the playoffs. I don't think people understand what Belichek can do with Josh Allen leading the offense. Ntm he definitely would know exactly how to use Kincaid and Knox.
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Beane on WR "We worked out a guy today we are going to end up signing"
in The Stadium Wall
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The draft was strong at Wr and although I think this was a rock solid draft this shouldn't be the answer bringing a vet off the streets. Beane dropped the ball not double dipping in this draft at Wr i don't care if we have Hamler or Isabella or whatever else he mentioned in his press conference. Malik Washington was a flat out steal in the late 5th and we didn't take advantage of that Miami got themselves a player there.
I was truly hoping the Bills would take the Packers approach to building there Wr core. Going multiple Wrs in a strong draft was definitely the way to go.