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14 hours ago, Special K said:
Floyd, Epenesa, Settle, Phillips, Jones and Lawson.
You have got to think at least one or two of these guys come back.
Floyd will not be back for less money.....he has no loyalty to the Bills as he only played here for one year.
Epenesa and Jones will be interesting to watch because I am sure the Bills would want these two back on team friendly deals, but they could probably command more money elsewhere....we will see what is most important to them.
I would put Settle, Phillips and Lawson in a category marked "back only if the Bills want them back"....I think Phillips and Lawson are good depth players who are "Buffalo guys" and would want to be back.....they also bring much needed attitude and energy to the defense.
In the end, I think the Bills will end up signing DaQuan Jones, Phillips and Lawson.
What do you think??
If they don't come back there's plenty of similar players that will sign 1 yr deals I wouldn't worry about it much. Most these players are average at best or even below average.
I'm hoping the Bills can make 1 big splash on the Dline one 20mil type player maybe Danielle Hunter at DE or Christian Wilkens at DT . Spotrac has Hunter getting a 3yr 60mil deal I think he's worth that it just depends how the Bills structure it kick money down the road like Vons deal. Von counted only 5.8 mil on the cap his first yr with us. I'm hoping we see a similar deal this yr for Hunter guys like him never shake loose.
We also have to really consider that we have used 3 high picks on this position in the draft and have basically blown all 3 picks as far as hoping 1 of those 3 turned out to be a franchise DE of the future. Those are horrible results I say use 2 high picks at Wr and use the money to get a Superstar DE. That was were circumventing the cap for future yrs saving money at Wr position while spending on Dline. If Von can return to at least a 10sk a yr form our pass rush could be lethal with Hunter, Rouse, Oliver and Von in passing situations.
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I agree great yr to add a couple safeties in free agency for good price but the head scratcher is Taylor Rapp deal. Why do early why so much money he stayed unsigned for a while last off-season before he signed for min deal and really didn't do much to raise his stock. Plus there's his injury history which is basically a Rapp Sheet pun intended 😂. Sometimes I believe the Bills don't look at injury history when signing players and it usually comes back to haunt us.
Like the poster said I would've loved a Stone and Chinn combo in the secondary but I guess the Bills have plans for Rapp and someone else.
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4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:
One of the better back up QB in the league
Not everyone can be a starter
Is certainly worth back up money
U mean 3rd string or practice squad QB!
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5 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:
I don’t disagree on Haack and Rapp but Trubisky was an awesome backup for us. I’m none of them hurt the comp formula so that’s probably the main reason but Rapp isn’t a very good safety imo. He’s heat seeking missile with no feel for coverage and Haack is just why…
To me Trubisky is also just why! 😂
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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:
To be fair, Matt Canada was the worst coordinator in the league. The worst designed offense in football and it was comical that they kept him on as long as they did. Based on his film with the Bears, he's an adequate backup that should come cheap.
Matt Canada wasn't there when Trubisky played and btw why did Rudolph outplay the ever living sh!! out of him ? Rudolph saved there season running the same exact offense. Explain please and don't blame Canada because he got fired and was long gone before Trubisky the garage man played!
2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:@GunnerBillMitch is hot garbage pure trash he should get a job at waste management company! Dislike that if u want..
@Rochesterfan I agree Trubisky is 🤮 and 🗑️
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13 minutes ago, CSBill said:
It's a safe, cheap backup.
I'm betting there is a Josh connection here:
Bean, "Josh, who helped you the most from the second chair in the QB room."
Josh Allen, "That Polish guy from North Carolina, or was he from Cheektowaga?"
Beaner, "Got it."
Might as well sign Webb as the bkup get him out of coaching.
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5 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:
I know free agency is about to begin but I'm hoping we do nothing until after the draft...hear me out
Today was a good day. Beane made some tough but needed changes. I loved what Morse, Poyer and Tre brought to the culture of our current team and I wish we could've won a SB with them on the roster (2021, what should've been). Signing Trubisky to be our backup again was a great move and since he was cut nothing hurting those comp numbers. Beane is really going to be working that comp formula to get those extra picks and I love it. The ONLY other guy from our team last year that I'm hoping he brings back is Daquan Jones because I think he'll be affordable (sorry AJ and Floyd but I don't think we're getting a hometown discount for either).
Moving on and to preface my thinking I'll explain my draft strategy going into this unique offseason:
1st - Don't get cute. Draft the premier and loaded talent. It's not a safety or LB draft. THIS IS THE YEAR OF THE WR! It's freaking loaded! (i'll send my WR breakdown and rankings later)
2nd - When in doubt always draft the big money positions. These are the positions that you know after that first contract are going to get paid huge (OTs, Dline, WRs, Corners)
3rd - Let the teams with the cap room overspend on free agency early. We aren't in that market and even if we were screw that noise. This isn't a great free agent class for any position we need. BUT it's deep with safety talent. There are so many safeties available and there is no way they all get signed to big contracts early. Safeties don't get paid as much as other positions. We will be sitting pretty after the draft to nab a safety or 2 that hasn't gotten the contract they want but wants to play for a contender
Now to the draft. I'm not going to go deep into where I think a player will land yet because honestly outside of the top guys (Harrison, Odunze, Nabers) no one really knows who will be off the board but because this is such a stacked WR draft that's where my focus is. Josh and everyone in this organization will be happy with this decision next year and years to come I guarantee it.
I'm going to hear it all day about how dumb it is to load up multiple times early at WR but I don't care because it's where the talent is overloaded and it's what we need most to get us a SB title. If I'm Beane I'm sending McD off to a fully paid family vacation the week before and the week during the draft. I'm trusting what this year shows me and what my scouting department has worked the whole year towards. Get your franchise QB some consistent speed, hands and separation.
1st and 2nd round I'm going WR - You're going to get 2 of the following : Brian Thomas, Troy Franklin, Ladd McConkey, AD Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, Keon Coleman, Tez Walker (I think he falls because people think he's raw but dude is going to beast), Ricky Pearsall, Roman Wilson
3rd/4th round - This is where you get the best D lineman available (maybe 2). If a safety they love and think can compete to start is here that's fine as well
5th round (we have THREE) - Like I said earlier go for those premier big money positions; OT, D line, WR (I'd love Luke McCaffrey in this range. You know he'll succeed, He's a McCaffrey and a slot with good hands)
6th round (THREE again) and one 7th rounder - O line and D line baby and here's also where they can get another corner since this regime is awesome at finding a late corner
After the draft we fill the missing holes with one-year contracts to guys who want to win a championship. Go Bills
It was a great start until they overpaid Rapp and are trying to sign the Garbage man Trubisky btw also bringing back Matt Haack was lazy work by Beane . Great start horrible ending like a bad movie!
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32 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
To be fair, Matt Canada was the worst coordinator in the league. The worst designed offense in football and it was comical that they kept him on as long as they did. Based on his film with the Bears, he's an adequate backup that should come cheap.
Canada wasn't the coordinator at the end of the season and even if he was it's not his fault Trubisky is completely inaccurate of a passer throwing balls everywhere but to his Wrs and then there's the Rudolph part of the argument what's the reason he played so much better then Trubisky? We can do better otherwise it's lazy work by Beane.
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Last yr showed that all kinds of bkups can win in this league even young guys like Jake Browning , Tommy Devito , Tyson Bagent or Bailey Zapped won games. The game has changed over the years u can draft a QB in late rds or even undrafted and win a couple games with them it doesn't have to be a 5mil dollar bkup like Trashbisky .
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3 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
@GunnerBillMitch is hot garbage pure trash he should get a job at waste management company! Dislike that if u want..
Mitch Tru is pure hot garbage. I watched every game he played last yr and a ton of games in previous yrs I always hated him especially when he was coming out of North Carolina.
If u want a QB that throws the ball at the feet of recievers on screen passes he's you're guy. If u want a QB that holds on to the ball way to long he's you're guy . I rather have a late Rd QB out there then him no doubt about it. Pure hot trash!
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On 3/5/2024 at 7:51 PM, Shaw66 said:
I've been thinking about how hard a GM's job is. The job is almost hopelessly complex, and it requires constant, complex thinking and decision making in an environment where you don't know the answers to many questions.
Think about Beane:
Your team has about 70 players during the regular season, when you include guys who are injured or on the practice squad. Fifteen or twenty or thirty of the players you had at the end of last season are going to leave your team in the next four months. Your job is to fill the openings with players who, together with the guys who carry over, give your head coach the best opportunity to assemble a great team.
Although 20 or 30 might leave, you don't know today which 20 or 30 that is. That will depend on decisions they make in free agency, or you make about them. You don't know which players are going to be available from other teams as the same thing is playing out in their offices. You have essentially no idea who you'll be able to draft, and you have very little idea of which guys in the draft can help the team in 2024.
You talk to McDermott and Brady, and ask which guys are essential and which are expendable. Their answer is, "It depends on who you bring in to help fill the spots that will become vacant.
What you do know is if you sign this guy you won't have enough cap room to sign that guy. And the importance of the positions in your consideration changes as you keep or lose guys.
One guy may be your priority, but you have limits on how much you can spend and how that spending can be structured, and the player may not like the financial package, so you don't even know if you can get your priority guy. Occasionally, a guy who becomes your priority changes the whole picture for you, sometimes for multiple years. Giving up picks for Diggs solved a problem but affected the shape of the roster because a first-round pick disappeared. Signing Von Miller changed the whole picture, because he brought significant cap consequences to the equation going forward.
In that environment, an environment where you're not sure who you're going to lose or who you're going to get, and all of it is limited by how much you have to spend, you have to make decisions. You have to let some guys walk, extend some guys, rework some deals, all in preparation for when free agency hits. When free agency starts, you have to start making decisions about players. Every decision you make, every deal you work, changes what you need and how much you can spend. Thirty-one other teams are making deals, too, so the players who remain available keep changing, and what they're worth keeps changing as the deals affect the market.
When the draft comes along, you take a break from the free agency puzzle and run a mini-version of the whole problem in your head over three days to acquire 8 or 10 guys, each of whom may or may not perform the way you think they will (after all, you've never seen them against NFL competition). Then you go back to working deals with other free agents, based on a revised picture of the roster as the result of the draft.
The bottom line is that it's impossible today for Beane or any other GM to have a plan for what the roster will look like on September 1. It's a huge puzzle the GM has to put together over the next five months, a puzzle where the actual picture of the completed puzzle keeps changing, and the pieces available to complete the puzzle keep changing too.
It's amazingly fun as well I would love to have his job.
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19 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
He's not worth even a vet min I rather draft a QB and make him the bkup better not be any guaranteed money to this deal.
@GunnerBillMitch is hot garbage pure trash he should get a job at waste management company! Dislike that if u want..
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Everyone they wanted Jeremy Chinn let's forget about that now. Damn. 😂
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7 hours ago, Process said:
Looks like starters money to me..
What In the world did Taylor Rapp do to earn a raise? Last I checked nobody wanted him last year and he signed for vet min. The Safety market is loaded in free agency what's the fricken hurry for? Rapp is always hurt every yr he gets injured definitely has some coverage flaws I hate this signing.
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9 hours ago, Roundybout said:
Better than Kyle Allen IMO
He's not worth even a vet min I rather draft a QB and make him the bkup better not be any guaranteed money to this deal.
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7 hours ago, HappyDays said:
From a pure value standpoint I like the trade. Bates is probably worth a 7th as a player, we got a 5th for him. Cool. Not sure what the Bears are doing but I'll take it.
If this means we are keeping Morse though I don't much like the outcome. It's time to get younger and cheaper. I would rather have Bates at center and Morse cut. Maybe Beane will surprise me and still move on from Morse even after this trade. That will tell me he understands what kind of offseason this needs to be.
Or maybe Morse is about to sign an extension which won't surprise me one bit. This regime doesn't have a barometer for age and or wear and tear on players .
I would've loved to see them give Bates the extension save some cap this yr and trade away Morse and save another 9mil but not gonna happen now. We got to continue to hope Morse doesn't get another concussion because he's 1 away from possibly retiring. McBeane just doesn't learn they really suck at asset management just horrible.
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4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
You know who else scored first touch as a true frosh?!?
Sammy Watkins 😱
Sammy would've been a great Wr those injuries zapped him of having a pro bowl career.
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On 3/1/2024 at 12:37 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:
I mean, there's a big difference between getting a 3rd straight up vs. getting a 3rd when you're giving them a player AND a 5th.
Ramsey was also costing a LOT more money and cap space in the future and removing a lot of cap from the trading team, which factors into compensation.
A 3rd for Douglas and a 5th is the price we paid. There was at least one other team in on him when we did. Offseason or Midseason, I don't think the price would drop too terribly much. But whatever we can get, I'd much rather see us get some kind of return as giving up a 3rd for just a half of a season of play is a little rough.
16 hours ago, Low Positive said:Here is a CBS Mock with a lot of trades that has the Bills taking Troy Franklin at 28. Do we like this one better? It has just as much value as the one the OP linked to.
Here is one from USA Today that has the Bills taking Coleman: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2024/02/28/nfl-mock-draft-2024-qb-projections/72778490007/
Bucky Brooks has us taking Coleman too: https://www.nfl.com/news/bucky-brooks-2024-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-washington-takes-jayden-daniels-over-drake-maye-qb-to-denver
My point is that none of these mocks are worth getting worked up over.
Coleman 🤢
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5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
So I just went back and re-watched it and, yeah, it was kind of an odd standoffish, telling response from Beane.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Unless:
a.) They've talked to him and his agent and he's not interested in doing an extension, wants to test his market next season, and it's the full hit or nothing.
b.) They know Tre White is going to be back by Training Camp, they feel comfortable it's not going to hamper him, and he's open to a non-guaranteed extension.
c.) They truly feel that Elam was really hampered by his injury last season and it appears they do as Beane brings it up constantly. They truly feel John Butler was really doing him a disservice with his coaching and how he treated him. Reportedly, he wasn't a fan of Kaiir and if you're a young player that has a bad relationship with your coach - I imagine that will mess up your development. And ultimately, that they truly feel that what we saw in the Pittsburgh game is something he can do consistently, if healthy.
If all of those things are true, then I can understand where Beane is coming from. I would hope they'd bring back Dane Jackson to go with Tre, Benford, and Elam to provide even more insurance. I imagine he will be and fairly close to minimum.
It's tough for me to see him go as I think he and Benford are CLEARLY the safest top 2 CB's on the team. But I've always felt that keeping 3 very good starting Outside CB's in Douglas, Benford, and White on the squad at the same time didn't make sense to me - in the situation we're in cap wise and the amount of starting holes we have at other positions.
I would hope though that if this is the plan, that they're able to trade him rather than just cut him. I know we got a 5th back - but we did give up a 3rd Round pick for him. If you could trade the 5th you got for him with him and get a 3rd back, then it was essentially a rental. Not getting anything in return and losing a 3rd (even with a 5th return) just for half a season - that's a little steep.
Maybe he becomes a player that is moved on Draft Day as part of a trade?
I like your trade idea but don't believe he's worth a 3rd even for a 5th . Jalen Ramsey was traded for a 3rd last yr and in the off-season the price is lower for Douglas.
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22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
The Tre savings are not the simple (complicated by the injury) and in reality unless he can pass a medical before the league year starts in two weeks the max save there is $4.5m. A pay cut is still the way to go on Tre IMO.
They could try and trade Douglas, that's true. They could still keep him. They could cut him. I was just taken by Beane's phrasing. I thought Douglas was a lock for a short extension to spread money. Maybe they have had those conversations and they haven't gone well.
They could try to get Tre to take the pay cut if not cut him when he's healthy and nobody is gonna pay him coming off ACL injury. We hold all the cards in this situation and need to use them.
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17 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Brandon Beane is always worth a listen because he is a straight shooter and sometimes probably tells you more than he should. Having listened to his presser and his huddle with the Buffalo media here are my takeaways:
1. They are going to add a receiver early but it doesn't have to be a specific type and he doesn't have to have a specific skillset. They are going to evaluate all these guys in the round and the one they take will be because they think he is the best available at their spot and the value matches the round;
2. Von Miller is on the team in 2024. I know we all suspected that anyway, some of us hoped it wasn't necessarily the case but the Bills are doubling down;
3. Rasul Douglas is not the absolute lock to be back I think most of us assumed. He twice went immediately to past tense when talking about him "I liked what he brought to our defense" and "it was a pleasure getting to know him." Now neither of those definitely mean he is gone, but there are ways of making those same points without phrasing in the past tense and as I said at the start sometimes Beane tells you more than he means to. It definitely made my ears prick up. He is almost $10m of pure savings with zero dead cap if they cut him. I'm not saying I expect them to but I thought the tense he used was interesting.
4. They are not going to use their 1st round pick on a safety. Beane was pretty clear that at that spot he thinks about smarts and study habits and not 40 times and athletic profiles. I think that screamed to be they are going to take a guy who is good on tape not good in shorts.
5. Don't expect them to draft OL early and do expect them to extend Dion. I also would not be at all surprised if they extend Spencer Brown before the season. He seemed very happy with the situation up front.
Why not just cut Tre he's finished and it saves 6mil this yr and more next.
Trading for Douglas using a 3rd Rd pk wouldn't surprise me btw. He's got to still have some trade value though maybe they trade him for a 4th rder to a team that can use him.
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3 hours ago, Punching Bag said:
I never attended band camp but let me guess instrument you used ..... Tuba! Am I right?
It is not you but there are groups of people with Crohn disease, Gastroesophageal reflux disease, etc and these kind of conditions can be very annoying.
Perhaps you belong to a group with similar issue which has not been classified. We used to have fans with Donahoe bag head syndrome but fortunately it was cured before it caused oxygen deprivation of the brain (Cerebral hypoxia).
Beane was acting general manager for a period for Panthers by the way. Panthers made mistake not promoting him.
They were part of teams which won division and conference champions but those are not "anything".
I wish they promoted him maybe we would have a better GM like Brett Veach we did interview him .
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1 hour ago, Logic said:
Now that free agency is getting closer and we're starting to have a better idea of who will actually hit the market, and now that we know the salary cap number for 2024, I'm starting to look a little closer at the list of free agents to be.
A few names I like below, and I'm curious to hear who you like, and why (bonus points for what you think they'll cost).
FS Geno Stone (Spotrac projects $7.2 million per season)
Started 11 games for the Ravens last year and led the league in interceptions by a safety with 7. Not gonna blow you away with athletic ability or speed, but is a very smart and heady player. Brandon Beane was just saying at the combine that smarts are the most important trait for them at safety, and Stone has the look of a guy who can be the new Micah Hyde, leading the secondary and patrolling the deep field. Shouldn't break the bank. 26 years old. Best football is ahead of him.
RB JK Dobbins (Spotrac projects $2.1 million per season)
This would purely be a cheap deal, low on guarantees, to see if Dobbins can rehabilitate his career. A former 2nd round pick who was extremely productive in college, but is coming off of a slew of serious injuries. I wouldn't want to depend on him as "the" answer at RB2, but he'd be a low risk, high reward signing and, if he can stay healthy, could prove to be a dynamic pairing with James Cook.
RB Antonio Gibson (Spotrac projects $3.6 million per season)
Has averaged over 800 yards rushing and 300 yards receiving per year throughout his career. Has plus receiving ability. 26 years old. In addition to being a good pairing with Cook, Gibson has shown the ability to be a capable RB1 when needed. Despite an already fairly productive career as a receiver, I feel he still has some untapped potential there, given that he was a productive WR in college.
WR Darnell Mooney (Spotrac projects $10.4 million per season)
Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott spent their recent combine pressers talking about adding explosive plays to the offense. Mooney would help add a speed element that this offense has been sorely lacking. He is just 26 years old and is two seasons removed from a 1,000 yard receiving season. Has deep speed and can take the top off a defense, opening things up for Diggs, Kincaid, and Shakir underneath.
**Note I don't want to sign both Dobbins AND Gibson, but I like both guys for different reasons, and would be happy to see either sign with Buffalo.Would love to have Stone but everyone else I'll pass on
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5 hours ago, Just Jack said:
No, I only remember someone putting a flute where it normally doesn't go.
Me and buddies have a joke where we call McBeane Bandcamp and it's in reference to American pie! 😂.
Bills DL.......how many come back to the Bills on 1 year contracts??
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I agree 💯 . I like Jones the most out this group but he hasn't been healthy when we needed him most these last 2yrs that's a sign of things to come. Plus free agency has some nice young talent at the position that won't command much money players like Tair Tart & Raekwon Davis. Let's get young here unless Jones excepts a deal like u said 3 mil per. Teams should never give big money to run stuffers.