richNjoisy

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Featu...trncamp2306.htm In my opinion, I might not read their full review magazine if they gave it to me for free. This person writes like a 5-year old. Maybe if they paid me to read it? Hmmmmmmmmm

Didn't you miss Sabres vs Columbus on November 14th followed by Bills Cleveland on November 17th?

Offense: Edwards Defense: Poz

I agree with you completely, Buckeye about this "we must have a new stadium" crap. I was in town this past weekend and picked up a free local paper with Trent Edwards on the front. Inside was an article by Ed Kilgore (Jeesh, he was on channel 2 when I lived there 30 years ago!) Anyway, he writes that (paraphrasing), "Buffalo MUST have a waterfront stadium or it's bye-bye Bills". yes, he says, it will have fewer seats and the cost for the average fan will skyrocket but that is the ONLY way to keep the team. Bull. The Bills make money. Does anyone doubt that? Jim Kelly said, "Money is not the issue when Ralphie passes" if so, then what IS the issue? As to the new stadium crapola. how many cities are going to finance a new stadium these days? Name them, please. THEN we can talk about blackmailing Buffalonians to pay for one for the "poor, new Bills owner". The NFL is swimming in cash, the Bills are selling out and huge stadium at that. Plus, they get a 1/32nd cut of TV revenues plus ...what is it .... all proceeds from sales of jerseys, etc etc? Look at it across the country: Jacksonville owner says, "No new stadium? Then I'm outta here!" (response, adios tonto). San Diego owner says, LA or new stadium!!, residents say, "There's the door". By the way, where exactly IS that new LA stadium? Not built yet? Whattayawaiting for? Oh, .....money Now, it's Toronto who will build it and then they will come. Leaving 72,000 fanny-in-the-seats fans to move north into Canada? What Billionaire would want to leave this gravy train behind for such an uncertain future? -rgg

Thanks for the numbers, folks. I started this post but I was not POSITIVE that their sales sucked but it was what what-I-call-a-memory told me. One person in this thread mentioned Jacksonville getting ANOTHER Super Bowl. I don't believe, The first (and hopefully last) Bowl game was a travesty - they did not have enough hotel space and TRIED to put people up in Cruise ships. I heard that was a joke and the traffic was ridiculous. As to San Diego moving as a possibility - I have heard that, too but I think that Jacksonville is the team most likely to move for both financial reasons AND PR reasons (I mean, if they move will Jacksonville residents even notice?)

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-8-1...lling-Jags.html One can certainly believe this is possible given how few games this team sells out - even when they are good. Won't soothe the fears of the Toronto Bills crew, but whatever...,,,,

uh, yeh, that's the definition of being a Bills fan. Interesting, though, about the ticket sales. No playoffs since 1999 and almost every game is already sold out before the season has started for the first time in like 15 years. YOU "may be getting {your} hopes up"? Get in line, pal. (apparently) I repeat: Bills MUST get out of the gate fast this year. Win the friggin' Home Opener!!! Go Bills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow, a thread about Bills football You mentioned Trent - I am very excited to watch him progress. he had arguably the best rookie QB season in Bills history. You failed to mention Stroud - I am very excited to see him stuff the run forcing teams into third and longs. I am expecting the Bills to double or even triple their sack totals from last year plus way more INTs. I am cautiously optimistic that Marshawn can advance further both as a runner and as a receiver. Speaking of receivers....will Evans return as a major force and can hardy contribute? Which Tight End will be the main go-to guy in that position? -RnJ

STOP spewing logic here you fool. E.O.A. (Emotions, only, allowed.)

You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. What you and all the "sky-is-falling! Bills doomed to move to Toronto!" people out there seem to have is this continued inability to recognize that Buffalo fans will bend but once the "Buffalo" label leaves the Bills, the organization will lose almost all of its current fanbase. Not only that, these fans will (mostly) become non watchers of the NFL. I know I speak for the great majority of current Bills fans: We are BUFFALO Bills fans - in support of the team from BUFFALO. We cannot be traded, bought or sold to another city. In other words, a slow move out of town or a fast move is not going to change this. Move the Bills and you lose the Buffalo fan. We miss ya, Tim. Go Bills! -RnJ

This was my first reaction also.

SO hard to believe, that he has died. In our sense of mourning and loss, I know that his Bills community will understand the grief and loss we feel..

The CNJBBB is trying to collect enough tickets together and still make it up. We may shift to week 3 (Oakland) but I am making every effort to find 6 tickets together at a price affordable for all. I will need instructions/updates on whether or not the TAILGATE at Hammer's is still on or not.

This is getting beat into the ground folks and has brought out a lot of emotion - this is understandable. The fact that this has raised theological issues is actually appropriate (although difficult and sad to read as people argue about this) since we ARE discussing not only the legal ramifications but also the moral implications. I am a scientist married to a minister ("RevNJoisy - we often joke that it is appropriate that the minister married a man who works for NOAA - pronounced "Noah"). Although in my field (climate research), we can spend our careers investigating and studying SCIENCE we cannot answer the MORAL questions. What is morally RIGHT cannot be measured - societal belief systems (theology, etc)- make these determinations. As to Marshawn, I too reacted with "Oh no! It can't be true. Don't let it be true. Don't suspend him or put him in jail! We NEED him on the field". In my defense, that was an emotional reaction based on my love of the Bills which (all too often I admit) supercedes almost everything else. But now, as time has passed, my desire for justice has prevailed. What do I want? 1.) The facts of the case to come out publicly - including any plea bargain 2.) Lynch to receive the NORMAL punishment that societal laws decree 3.) The NFL should punish Marshawn based exactly on their rules(no more, no less) 4.) If he admits guilt I want a public apology in addition to his legal punishments OTHERWISE I will reject him as Bill. I NEVER boo but if he "gets away" with this - assuming he HAS plead guilty to something (NOTHING has been proved at this point concerning his involvement) - I will reject him #4 should include him becoming the Poster Child for How One Can "Fall" and fail - I want a public community service effort led by Marshawn and supported with his money. If alcohol was involved in the incident (which no doubt will NOT be part of the "record" HE will know this), I expect him to be involved with Don't Drive Drunk campaigns. He should not be behind the scenes but in the open about his involvement. This would be another "I'm guilty and I'm sorry" to the community for his shameful (if proven) behavior. And if he doesn't like #4 - show him the door. My final comment - I HATE all of this. I want the Bills to win with every fiber of my soul but not at the expense of what is RIGHT. So, if you did this Marshawn, count yourself the luckiest man alive in that the girl was only slightly hurt. Your PENANCE is as I described: Full and normal legal penalty, monetary (lawsuit, baby!), and public contrition. Then, you are forgiven but on probation with WNY. Don't like it? There's the door. Don't let it hit you on the butt on the way outta town.

Thanks for the clarification!

Are you saying Jack COULD have purchased the group tickets yesterday?

Jack - what exactly is going on? Since (obviously) they do not have 75,000 season ticket holders, Has what has happened been that other season ticket holders have already bought up all the seats? Who else has had access to the ticket before the group sales? -RichNJoisy

There are several keys to a successful Bills season. #1) Trent progresses. Sophomore year must be relatively injury-free, and he must play better than he did last year (progressively better) #2) Bills must have "normal" or less than normal amount of injuries. #3) Defense must stop the run (top 10) I also think the Bills need to get of the gate fast this year - going 2-1 (Win, Loss, Win) and no worse than 3-2 at the break.

my god where YOU there. How the hell do you KNOW what actually happened? he may be protecting someone ELSE. "..He's already proven he cares more about not getting caught than taking responsibility".. what's the use. You have already tried and convicted him

I know it is hard to even consider this but maybe Marshawn is a good guy? You know and what you just suggested has never and would never occur to him? THAT just might be why he wouldn't pay someone to take the fall?

dang a woman is hit treated and released but the damage apparently to a SUV is severe enough to leave parts at the scene? That's either one tough gal or one flimsy vehicle. seriously......the side mirror?

Check out Point 4: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...ex.html?eref=T1

I figure it will be Cliff Avril or Early Doucet

The Bills have no TE and have not had a good one since Jay Riemersma left. A game breaking TE changes the way a defense plays. They HAVE to prepare for him. We simply will have to agree to disagree. By the way, has Shockey ever played for a good QB?

What a shock - you and I are on the same page (for a change ha ha). Shockey for basically a 2nd and 4th? We'd still have 8 picks left and, now, the only weakness at WR? We are talking about a game-breaking player at the TE position? There are , what, two others of his caliber in the league? And now people people use his attitude as making him "not worth it"? Are you guys nuts? He doesn't get arrested, doesn't do drugs, he gets angry when he loses. Also, he HAS grown up a bit. I, too, live in the Giants area (NJ) and have watched (with glee) the troubles. But Trent is NOT Eli. Trent can handle Mr. Shockey. If the Bills make this trade, I'd (blank) in my pants. -RnJ