Bangarang

I’m cautiously optimistic he continues to improve.

I was just clarifying the error. Im well aware of how our roster looked his rookie year. Saying we went 6-10 was not meant as a knock against him. Just figured that if we’re going to praise Allen and give him credit for something it might as well be something that actually happened

Uhhhh.....Josh was still in college when we first made the playoffs under McD. We went 6-10 his rookie year.

The competition at FB is what I want to see.

C’mon brah put em together and they can be known as Diesel Motor

The Lions have only had a top 5 defense once with Stafford and that year they won 11 games and made the playoffs. The last few years the Lions defense has been one of the worst in the league. I haven’t looked up the numbers but it also seems like they’ve never been a strong running team with Stafford either.

Imagine a scenario where Belichick takes a demotion on paper and hires a minority HC and GM only for getting higher draft picks while running things?

Not to split hairs but Allen was far from his best at Pitt. I’d even say he played pretty .poorly

This is big news. I hope someone starts a thread on it.

Josh is a weird cat. One minute he’s doing something amazing where I think he’s going to be the best QB in the league. The next he does something so head scratching that it makes me wonder if he has a crippling gambling problem and is trying to work the spread.

If you bet on all the outcomes you’re never wrong.

So basically, if we don’t manipulate the stats he’s a bottom tier passer. Luckily he’s a really good runner because I’d hate to see him having to rely solely on throwing the ball.

Bet the farm, it’s happening

We have a good thing going with Allen. Please don’t ruin it with your predictions ?

Cam Newton without the MVP season. Now who’s going to pick up a sword and fight?

Duke, Foster and maybe McKenzie

Just added it to the DVR. Gracias

Only if you want to be smart and taken seriously. When did I say to ignore rushing stats or penalize Allen for having a good coach? Are you going to argue points I never made? Again, not once did I say to ignore rushing stats. In fact, I’ve argued the opposite. Nor did I tell you to ignore the talent around him. In fact, that’s what I’ve been saying. Context matters. Arguing the amount of games Jones won as a rookie as if it proves some kind of point without factoring anything else is stupid. It’s equivalent to criticizing Allen for only winning 5 games as a rookie without taking anything else into consideration. What I’m saying shouldn’t be complicated and I’m not sure why you seem so confused by it. You can assume what you want. Did you think Allen would get worse or stay the same after his rookie year? Probably not. That’s not what I’m doing but okay. Your responses thus far have shown me you don’t know what’s going on here so I’ll just consider this par for the course. You do understand this discussion isn’t based on reality right? Do you think there’s a world where Andy Reid would trade Mahomes straight up for Allen? That’s kinda what we’re discussing here. Try and keep up.

Still going to bury your head in the sand on this? Yikes You’ve literally given me no substance so if that’s as much as you’re willing to give then it would just be easier to say you’re a Bills homer and you’d rather put your hopes on Allen. You’d sound less ridiculous that way. So you want to rely on history for proving your opinion about Lamar but you’ll happily ignore history that proves Allen won’t be as good as you think? I give up. You have your opinion. I think it’s silly but you can think what you like.

Allen is just one hit away from serious trouble too.. He definitely has the talent to do it.

Can you provide any kind of substance as to how Allen has a higher ceiling? If it’s just based on hope because you’re a Bills fan then I’d even take that. And calling Lamar a RB after having an elite MVP season as a QB is so ignorant. Just to clarify, because Allen may one day be a superstar, he’s clearly superior to the guy who proved he already was one? Got it...

Wins still aren’t a QB stat and just blindly throwing them out there with literally no other context is stupid. Are we judging QBs based on a one year sample size now? Do we not take coaching into consideration? Do you think Freddie Kitchens was a good coach and maximized all the talent his team had? Did Mayfield suddenly become less talented? Does context matter at all to you? One could easily argue that in regards to rookie years, Daniel Jones was by far better than Allen. Even Jones’ rookie stats weren’t far off from Allen’s sophomore season and I’m sure the Giants are only expecting him to get better. It’s probably not as silly as you think.

We could have beaten Baltimore, unfortunately Allen was horrible and overwhelmed by the Ravens defense. They admitted their plan was to make him be a QB. How was he exposed? He had a higher passer rating and threw significantly more TDs during the second half of the season. Versatile in what way? Smarter how? Allen has already suffered a concussion running with the ball and running is also a major part of Allen’s game so it won’t and shouldn’t be taken away. Not sure how you can make such a definitive statement about Jackson’s durability compared to Allen’s. How is Allen’s ceiling higher when he’s never shown an ability to play at that high of a level? With Lamar, he’s shown us elite level production. With Allen, it’s still about potential. When you consider Allen’s ceiling, what kind of stats is he putting up?