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It has been a topic for three straight years after they win. He just sends in a short statement. Bandits threads generally devolve into laughing that they are happy not to have him him around because he struggles with the Sabres. The comments are littered with stuff like "Keep the bad juju away, we are doing fine without him". I am not sure what proof you are looking for? Like a picture of him holding the days paper at his house in Florida, with that days 10pm news on in the background?

I am not sure that is what is going on here. I cry every time I watch Cool Runnings (literally, the whole crowd clapping at the end always gets me). My quick, and uneducated $0.02 on this is that the topic is more about Beane maybe lacking some level of professionalism, tact, and/or having some thin skinned. I think there is some confusion between emotional and sensitive. Neither might be a great fit here. I don't think the criticism is Beane telling people that people criticizing his work sometimes hurts his feelings. I think the criticism is attacking talking heads for dumb hot takes and calling data aggregates because they reported that their algorithm ranks him, his team, and/or his work poorly. I am fairly ambivalent on this one. It is professional sports and the NFL. They can be aggressive. Part of me felt like the WGR outburts was refreshing. But it is also strange we are hearing about another instance where he called somebody to mother fork them about an opinion he didn't like.

I'm sorry, are you trying to tell me that One Bills Live is not just fair and balanced reporting and that they don't have the freedom to be as critical as they want to be of any facet of the Bills organization? I found the Beane WGR incident both refreshing and cringy. It was strange and cathartic. I think WGR is among the worst sports radio of any NFL city. Their content blows, their programming is lazy, and their sports IQ is too low for how arrogant and condescending they are. But at the same time, Beane my guy, if you can't handle Schopp's garbage and patronizing takes you'd have a hard time in other cities. This is a bit more of an aggressive take than I would say, but we're in the same arena. I think the WGR moment and whatever happened with PFF is likely partially due to being coddled by local media. The staff is at a tipping point. The expectations are leveled up so he's gone from hero and saving the franchise to being partially blamed for falling short of the new expectations.

They legit had the meeting, told people they weren't getting raises, and put up a slide about maintaining their family lifestyle. I am just a guy on the internet who was dating somebody in the building at that time. (Fun fact, Josh Allen moved to Corona because the Labatt rep no called/no showed to their meeting). I get it, you don't have to believe me. But it's also strange that you have a copy of the slide and an article about multiple sources also corroborating something similar and you still go "meh, I don't think this stranger I don't know would do that"

They shared a building with Labatt. Two businesses that worked together often. I know a handful of people who can corroborate the story.

That's fair. I do think the region can support the Sabres through 5-ish terrible years. But they're not equipped to support them through the worst draught in NHL history. Which is about 3x of what I think the region is capable of. That said, I'm not sure how many regions would support this run. It's never happened before. If the Sabres were the 8th best team in the conference for 14 years they'd still be top 10 in attendance instead of bottom 5.

When Pegula bought the team the Sabres were averaging 99% attendance. They were near the top of the league for capacity for arenas without standing room only (who break 100%) and top 10 overall. The Bills and Sabres regularly sold out during the Bills draught. Anybody saying the Sabres suck because of the region can't have two teams is just making excuses. The day Terry Pegula bought the team the Sabres total P% was 4th in the league. They were easily the best franchise to never win a cup. They've plummeted to 14th. To give anybody an idea of how deep that hole is. If you took Scotty Bowman's best 10 single years coaching, and linked them back to back to back, the Sabres still would not get back the 4th overall. Think about that. A decade of the very best years from the very best coach could not get Buffalo back to where they were pre-Pegula. This franchise is historically bad.

Bob Kraft has by and large been a good NFL owner and has run a stable organization for two decades. Even pre-Brady, Kraft has been in the SB. They may be sticking a bit to get grounded, but he gets a little extra rope because, well, he hasn't had the worst run as an owner in the history of the NHL. The Pegula Sabres are arguably one of the worst runs by an owner in all of sports ownership history. No dude, they are totally the same. John Tavares, the current HC, and maybe the greatest NLL player ever, is currently a HS math teacher in Mississauga as well. So yeah, NHL, NFL, NLL. Tomato Tomato. And again, Pegula has never been to one single Bandits Championship game.

They dont have a deep playoff run every season. In fact they missed a bunch of times and then went years without winning one playoff game. There is no way that anybody legitimately believes that 1. Running an NLL team is comparable to the NFL,MLB, NBA, OR NHL. And 2. That Pegula has 1/8th of the involvement in the Bandits as he does the Sabres or Bills? If you have full faith that Terry Pegula could tear this thing down and rebuild it again, by hiring the right GM and HC combo by himself, then I also have a bridge I would like to sell you. Terry's most successful franchise is the one he gives less than zero forks about. He hasn't attended a single one of their championship games. Lol

One cannot look at a franchise that keeps Kevyn Adams as GM and long time Pegula family friend Jerry Forton employed and think that they are either 1. Well run or 2. Trying to legitimately win hockey games.

Not a lawyer. My my quick two cents is that One Buffalo becomes a marketing ploy under PSE. But as the Sabres spiral, including them isn't awesome. But additionally if they aren't all officially under one roof I think it makes it easier to divest from each one as needed. I think that the dissolution of PSE also allowed the the opportunity to renegotiate any lease agreements. Pegula axed PSE, renegotiated the Blue Cross Arena lease, pulled out of operating the arena, and then Erie County bails on renewing the lease with Pegula and kicks it to the city after the org tried to make it seem like repairs fell on the county (they don't). Fast forward a few months to a year and Pegula has shortened the term on the Amerks lease at BCA from 8 to 5 years (after saying they wouldn't), officially listed the Knighthawks as for sale/stepping down as of 6/30, and we still have no resolution or even whispers on the KBC. Is there one thing that makes me think that Pegula is 100% selling the Sabres? No. But the above pattern seems to point in that direction, paired with the fact that he has been at or near bottom of the league in spending the last 5-6 years. At every step in the above the Pegula camp said "Don't worry, we aren't going to do the thing your worried about". Then they kept doing the thing, the walked out on the agreement, they shortened the Amerks lease, they officially listed the Knighthawks for sale after saying that they were comitted to Rochester. I think what happens to the KBC will be telling. Anything around a 5 year agreement would give me pause, 10 would make me feel safer, but not 100% confident. For reference the last lease was 30 years and the new Bills stadium lease is also 30 years and the prior was 10.

I think Einstein is being hyperbolic. But I had a number of friends in the building at the time, there was in fact a slide, that Kim herself presented, that listed bluntly that one of the core pillars of PSE was "maintain family lifestyle". PSE used to share the building with Labatt.

When a guy has a historically bad run with a team in the big 4 leagues, it is not irrational to go "man this guy could really be a major liability in the post McBeane/Allen era".

Then you fire th GM,full stop, you don't rely on yourself and the marketing guy to take over the responsibility. Pegula has a history of overruling his personnel people in both orgs.

Given the perceived strength of the prospect pool, I thought it was all but universally agreed upon that the Amerks have largely underperformed expectations. They have had huge gaps in their game.

Hiring a HC against your GM's wishes then firing a HC without consulting your GM is bad ownership. This is a 14 year pattern with Pegula and the Sabres. That is a really bad excuse for the Pegula run Sabres.

Marrone walked, Russ "Don't let Rex leave without a contract" Brandon, and then Doug "nobody told me we fired the HC" Whaley. That is very dysfunctional and mirrors the Sabres.

That was my take when Golisano was shopping the team. But that was also when the Sabres were averaging 99%+ attendance without a standing room only section. Now the Sabres are regularly bottom 3-5 in the league in attendance and the Buffalo region is still a top 5 market. Pegula isn't giving any money to the league in terms of revenue sharing. He is a loss. If anything I think those two things together is proof of concept that the league doesn't need a team in Buffalo to get viewership.

Does Terry Pegula have 17 hour meetings about one single player on the Bandits roster? I don't think Terry spends 17 hours a year talking to Tavares, let alone in a single sit down about a single player, like he does the Bills and Sabres.

The point is that Pegula's most successful franchise is the one he is arguably the least involved in. He does sit in 17 hour meetings with the Bills. He does actively meddle with the Sabres. He doesn't show up to anything for the Bandits, and they have been largely free of any of the dysfunction he had with the pre-McBeane era Bills and his entire time with the Sabres. No, I don't want Terry involved in anything. I wish he ran every team like he does the Bandits. Just ignore it and let the professional sports people do their job without a peep.

Frankly, I am impressed he can throw left handed.

Do you think John Tavares has to have 17 hour meetings to review one single player? I honestly don't think Pegula has spent one hour over the course of the day pondering what to do with one single Bandits player.

The BIlls aren't going anywhere, but the pre-McBeane Bills were as dysfunctional as the 14 years with the Sabres. My point about that was that I am not looking forward to that era of Pegula's ownership. I have little to no faith he is capable of rebuilding the Bills org if needed.

I said the Sabres are on their way out. The reference about the Bills was about being a pro sports owner without McBeane managing the Bills. Nearly every sports venture Pegula has been apart of sans McDermott and/or Beane has been a disaster. That includes the Bills.

To no surprise to most Terry has started to pull out of Rochester. First he renegotiated his lease at Blue Cross Arena shortly after signing it. Pegula claimed it was purely business. Dissolving PSE after Kim fell ill. Saying it had nothing to do with moving on from either team Then he actually pulled out of operating the arena. Pegulas team said that the teams wer safe and he was just out of the arena management game. Now his other NLL team is for sale. Buckle up folks, because the Sabres are on their way out. And if Terry doesn't hand the Bills off before he can run them into the ground they're on their way as well. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/lacrosse/2025/06/23/rochester-knighthawks-looking-for-new-owners-after-pegula-divest/84319445007/