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Just now, PauleeeWalnuts said:
I’m not sure about capital. They got a 2025 second, gave up a 6th this year and a 5th next year to move him. Feels like Beane got beat up on this one
The bills were never gonna use 11 draft picks, and losing a 6th is losing a player who’s odds of making the game day roster was incredibly low
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Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Because next year it’s likely a release or mid round/late round pick.
Exactly
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1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:
and a pick this year and next year. Bad trade IMO.
Hes 31 and his cap hit was gonna be 27.3M next season, meaning the Bills would have cut him and saved 5M or attempted to trade him and likely gotten considerably less than a 2nd rounder back.
If the Bills were able to get a 2nd out of this that’s a tremendous business by Beane
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7 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:
I would assume Houston absorbs a big chunk
Depends on his bonus structure.
he signed a 21M bonus on signing, which prorated over 6 years, so that’s 10.5M he’s on the hook for. I think they also restructured his 23 salary as well.
His 24 salary became guaranteed after Mar 18th, but that’s gonna be on Houston. I’m sure im missing something but my quick math suggests the bills save ~8-10M of the cap as his cap hit would be 27.8M, and I think only about 12-15 is bonus money that the bills prorated
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On 3/20/2024 at 7:05 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:
He has said this. I don’t think it’s affecting his game but he was not on the same page with WRs last year so it makes me wonder.
Most talented QB in the history of the game maybe, but he still has another level to go. I don’t think he has what Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes have mentally, especially in the offseason.
On weight of the entire season and playoffs, he was the best QB in the league this past season
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19 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:
The Bills have certainly added some more speed with Curtis Samuel, but the still lack the big athletic X receiver to fill the role that Gabe Davis never quite measured up to.
Gabe filled the role exactly as you’d want him to. The problem was that when John brown left, all he had was Diggs as 2nd deep threat, and the bills lacked a true a slot weapon when they tried to fill Cole Beasleys role with Isiah McKenzie. So the Bills became a bit stagnant in route concepts, and having a rookie OC didn’t help either.
Last half of last season, when it because apparent that Diggs had lost a bit of his top end speed (he’s still got elite quickness and acceleration), Davis was the lone deep threat on the roster. He was never good enough to be a guy who’s gonna beat a corner and over the top safety help at the same time. He’s not that kind of burner.
With Curtis Samuel in as a secondary deep threat along with being intermediate and underneath, and a plethora of true intermediate/middle route runners, then someone exactly like Davis is what the bills need to take this offense to the next level - which is an elite offense.
Ladd McKonkey, Adonai Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, Leagette…some real options in this draft of dudes who can win deep. The reach pick would be Rome Odunze, who to me is the souped up version of Gabe Davis
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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:
If anything I'm overvaluing him
In this offense, being the 13th most productive wideout in the league on the 5th highest AAV is really bad value compared to a good rookie
Where are you getting that number? Diggs has widely been consider a top 5 WR since coming to Buffalo
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5 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:
Sweat DT in the second
Kinda nuts Sweat dropped that far
7 minutes ago, Virgil said:This might be the one year I'm okay with trading our 1st in the following draft to move up. We have a good understanding of what our gaps are for the next few years, so if Beane see's someone he can lock up now, go for it.
The Bills can max out at what, upper teens? That’s kind of an odd ball spot. Maybe Rome Odunze slips that far?
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31 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Of course they did
that's not the point. They could have gotten someone only say 80% as good as Jefferson and they still come out ahead
and it's possible that kind of guy will be available this year around where we pick
Think you’re hugely undervaluing Diggs here.
28 minutes ago, DJB said:We now have no glaring holes heading into the draft.
Time to trade up for that stud WR
Safeties. Both of them. Neither up to the standard that id like anyways. But I’m sure McDermott can make it work
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3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
I think there's a distinction
I would agree top tier elite guys are probably worth paying but that wasn't what Diggs was prior to coming here, he was a borderline top10 guy who blossomed into a legit top5 guy playing in this offense. It was a gamble that paid off but frankly even Diggs hasn't been the piece the Bills have needed to get to Super Bowl...all things considered in hindsight staying put and drafting Jefferson would have been the easy call
Jefferson was the 22nd pick of the draft.
the Vikings purely got lucky
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For example, the Seahawks have DK Mercalf in his final yea of a 3 year extension (after this season). He needs to get extended again. If the Bills offered a 2nd (after this season for next years draft), the Hawks probably take it because not only do they get a pick, but they get out of having to pay DK.
Meanwhile the Bills would have a prime Deep threat for 3-4 more years - at a premium price that’s completely worth it
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2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Not on a rookie contract. If you hit on a WR1 in the first, you have 25 to 30 million to spend somewhere else in roster construction.
And no one is trading you a ready made WR1.
How do you think the Bills got Diggs? There’s enough GMs out there who think you can always find WR1s in the first round, that they don’t wanna pay their current WRs.
I still think stud WRs are well worth paying, and I think you can find them in the trade market and draft.
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No. You can also trade for ready made WRs
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4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Let’s see the contract - Beane has a history of overpaying these interior d vets, maybe he’s adapting.
If he’s settled on Edwards & Rapp being our starters (which, to be clear, terrifies me) then he doesn’t have much FA business left
2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:1yr up to $4m
Beane is killing it31 minutes ago, SCBills said:2023 vs 2024 so far:
DE - Downgrade, lost Floyd
DT - Upgrade, added Johnson
LB - Upgrade, get Milano back
CB - No Change
S - Downgrade, Younger but unproven
This signing makes me feel MUCH better about our Defense heading into the Draft. Dependent upon Von at DE, but Austin Johnson is better than anyone we had last year after Jones & Oliver.
The problem with DT is that we have a single legit pass rusher from the interior in Oliver and we really need someone who can do that behind him.
If Jer’zahn Newton is there when the bills are picking in the first I’d hope they seriously consider him
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27 minutes ago, SCBills said:
2023 vs 2024 so far:
DE - Downgrade, lost Floyd
DT - Upgrade, added Johnson
LB - Upgrade, get Milano back
CB - No Change
S - Downgrade, Younger but unproven
This signing makes me feel MUCH better about our Defense heading into the Draft. Dependent upon Von at DE, but Austin Johnson is better than anyone we had last year after Jones & Oliver.
let’s see what happens in the draft. I know people are hell bent about a WR in the first but there’s a ton of depth there…we might stumble on a pass rushing 3T or DE with a mid 1st round grade.-
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3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
LOL. A player breaking the news via social media about another player. This is a new one.
Not for nothing:
https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2013/03/penn_state_football_who_is_aus.html
“Penn State defensive tackle Austin Johnson is a hot name during the second week of the Nittany Lions' spring practice. He's emerged as a candidate to start alongside senior DaQuan Jones on the interior of Penn State's defensive line.”
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3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
His @$$ better be a 12 sack per season guy if we are giving up a WR @ #28.
More about pressure rate and forcing offenses to scheme around him, and opening things up for the rest of the DL
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4 minutes ago, DrMaxPower said:
When this leads to Chop Robinson rd1 this place is going nuclear...
Chop is gonna be an elite Pass Rush specialist in this league not long after the draft, and in fact profiles somewhat as Von.
There's more than enough speed in this draft to get one in Rd1 or RD2. But if there's a next level talent like Chop available at 29 they take him no questions.
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1 minute ago, MPL said:
Ah, yes, good old Gabe "rolls-his-ankles-more-than-an-8th-grade-basketball-player" DavisI didn't say that? How did you quote me on that?
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Think about it this way.
Last season the Bills offense was actually relatively easy to defend from a schematic POV, because you only had to defend 30 yards of dirt at most regardless of down and distance. Without even an average deep threat else where, Gabe Davis struggled bigtime as the sole threat downfield, and defenses didn't really adjust a thing. They set either 2 or 1 safety 20 yards down field, one of them went deep, and everyone else sank down. Diggs wasn't that effective of a deep threat, and defenses felt they could run with him past 10-15 yards.
With the addition of Samuel, you inject pure speed with addition of being a real football player. It doesn't matter where he lines up, you can attack those safeties from inside or outside. But Samuel will only be PART of that solve.
The other part? Someone like Ladd McConkey who's the other deep threat. It allows for versatility. If you're on 1st and 10 or 2nd and medium, you have different packages that can make use of 1 or both deep guys, and you can use that short to intermediate offense that Allen proved he can run this past season. Defenses starting to squat? Well put in both speed guys, add in Diggs and Kincaid to the underneath, and you're either creating deeper mismatches, or forcing zones and YAC openings in the middle and short.
This is all about deployment of weapons. Bills can attack any down and distance and create matchups they like
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Just now, GASabresIUFan said:
Davis - Yards/Reception for his career 16.7. Yards/game 42.7. Success % 51.5
Samuel - Yards/reception for his career 10.7. Yards/game 37.2. Success % 48
Not sure how he is an upgrade on anything. He doesn’t stretch the field as well as Davis, he does gain more yards despite more catches, and he doesn’t help 1st downs at a greater rate than Davis.
Do you know the other thing he doesn’t do as well as Davis? He doesn’t stay as healthy.Project what he can be with Josh Allen and Joe Brady
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Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:
Yes one is better then the other
Davis has been criminally underrated around here. He was literally the only deep threat the Bills had. What were people expecting?
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Obviously dudes like McDuffie and Sneed - both excellent physical man corners, are gonna win their fair share of matchups against the Bills mighty mights, but the fact of the matter is that they're fast enough that safeties are still gonna check that matchup and cheat just a bit, and then you have an elite route runner like Diggs now coming off the LOS.
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2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Catching a football is catching a football. Christ this board sometimes...
Samuel had a TON of targets coming out of the back field. You think it's easier to catch a target coming out of the backfield, running screens, slants, etc or almost exclusive running skinny posts, fly routes, corners, and other deep routes?
1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:
Shakir more X then slot or the rookie we draft?
He can play both. This is the modern NFL you don't need a super physical guy out there, bunch of ways to win off the snap even when lined up on the LOS
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Diggs traded to Texans for picks
in The Stadium Wall
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I believe this is a trade that helps both clubs. Houston has deep threats and by getting Diggs, and likely converting him to a slot to pair with Tank Dell - they now have tremendously gifted intermediate guys and an elite deep threat in Nico Collins.
For Buffalo, they had an excess of guys who could run intermediate and underneath stuff with Shakir, both TEs and now Curtis Samuel. Diggs was the best of them, but the bills are better served with moving one of them and replacing with a true deep threat