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The real question is will certain unnamed posters...in the event of an Obama victory which some places like 538 predict is very likely (pure propaganda if you ask any hardline GOP thumper)...say to themselves "Hmmm...you know when I look back at the things I read and what I thought would happen I realize now what happened...I read what I wanted to hear" or will they just somehow say it was a fraud election...or will they just B word and not think about it too much...what will they do if Obama wins? They can't continue to have faith in their sources that shape and back up their wishes can they?

Oh c'mon they don't have to do it. And when they have larger programs they affiliate with or run that go outside the scope of just a church (often employing lots of people .... not all Catholic) then they have to do what everybody else has to do under the law. This is not some assault on the Church. As someone else said it is well within the Lemon test. Lots of other beliefs are subject to societies laws...can't take illegal drugs to be closer to God can't sacrifice people can't do a number of things...can't deny women working for a catholic hospital access to birth control through her insurer is now on the list...that's really no big deal NOR is it (and this is really the point I would like to stress) some new form of government expansion on steroids...as much as the narrative against Obama would have everything turned into some big dramatic take-over it just isn't. This is the America you already lived in, like it or not. It's a nice little political narrative to pitch and can get some people riled up and invoke passion but don't go around buying some nonsense story about religious oppression. It's just stupid. Preach against it, make your case, encourage followers it is immoral or whatever you would like...open a food bank or whatever and employ a bunch of people then you have opened a business in society and that's that. There's nobody in this country that can't take issue with something they don't like about gov't or society in this country...but that's life. And that's what you we tell kids they will learn as they get older. And it's true. Yes there is a process where we have a gov't and pass laws. Health insurance reform happened and birth control is in. Fracking fluid may need to be monitored. We may go to war again over something not everybody likes. Top tax rate may go up or down. Etc....get over it.

This is what it comes down to. Every stupid abortion debate getting into "what is a human, when is it a human" etc...always stupid. To me people who think that abortion should be safe and legal and hopefully rare should just say that when it comes to the government preventing it b/c it's a life...they just don't care. Not enough people say it b/c then someone else will bust out the "oh what a monster you are!" Well...not exactly saying I like it, or do it, or would do it in my personal life...but as to the issue of the law regarding how much control people should have over their own human reproduction (the most intimate and personal thing we do)...the argument that a group of cells has a heart beat doesn't do it for me. If you think it's wrong don't do it, and convince others in your personal life and through private efforts not to do it. Don't legislate on this issue b/c you are somehow more right than others on something most agree is a contentious and difficult issue to think about.

Religion! hehe

I'm currently in a civil suit for having about 500 fraudulent ebay transactions of which i am completely guilty. Idiot judge is about to let me off. It's pathetic.

30 year old professional wrestler. Ah...Romney's base. And lol at the end of the article...for $15K that guy would have a penis tattooed on his face.

Just this thread?

Even Ben Stein who hates Obama went on Fox and Friends and said it's obvious taxes are too low. Every staffer who wrote an article I've ever read identifies the tax cuts as the primary problem w/ deficits since 2000. But no...cut taxes more. All you hear...from "that" crowd...they get upset if you say this but the truth is they are brainwashed and uninformed. You don't have to support Obama btw to acknowledge this...you just have to say "yes, it is true" and then say "for the following reasons I still hate Obama"...

The results of the analysis suggest that changes over the past 65 years in the top marginal tax rate and the top capital gains tax rate do not appear correlated with economic growth. The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment, and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/news/business/0915taxesandeconomy.pdf ...btw...we are at extremely low tax rate today...contrary to right wing fantasy land

I'll pile on Rob who I generally do not dislike...stupid post.

Most other retired politicians refuse to comment publicly on who they support? What?

This is how you make a God damn political ad:

LOL well it certainly was his responsibility. That doesn't mean he lied.

Never

Honestly is says it right there in the interview. He has disagreements and doesn't feel he trusts some of the voices that would be in Romney's ear...and he sees the inconsistency not just in the debate but along the campaign as Romeny seems to adjust on the fly as his advisers come on board and give him different advice. Long story short, he's not a fan of crowd advising Romney, and he sees Romney as a guy who will be influenced by that crowd much in the way Bush was. Of course not

In terms of the word "lie"...probably nobody. The groupthink steered them wrong...probably one of the reasons why Powell doesn't trust that group with power anymore.

Jesus Christ...Powell did not lie. Powell probably did put faith in others in the administration to reach the conclusion it was the right thing to do when he was iffy...but he did not lie.

Somehow I doubt you guys were the target for that one.

Ya Powell was pissed there were things he was not told about that raised serious concerns about the credibility of the evidence including one informant who was basically a known liar that was being relied on heavily since his info was what they wanted. Kofi Annan (a friend of Powell) wrote that in his view they basically used him for his credibility then tossed him off when things got going in terms of his involvement. Obviously he then left. Powell not a big fan of neo-con war machine for obvious reasons.

There is no point in arguing this. Either you see Obama as an absolutely terrible president or you don't (same w/ Romney as a candidate). Powell's endorsement won't change the mind of people who are convinced Obama is terrible.

Oh man, Mack? Did you watch the debates/have you seen what Mack is all about? Nelson is a dinosaur I can't deny it, but he's an ok dinosaur. Mack is, quite literally, an idiot. He can't even discuss things intelligently he's seriously less up on some things than many posters on this board.

For what it's worth he threw in that he wasn't comfortable with Romney's economic ideas or plans on education, climate, education, etc. As well as generally saying his view on the state of the country is that we are on the right track moving from 2008. Of this of course, is blasphemy to the narrative that Obama's foreign policy is a disaster and Romney would be better as well as contradicting the popular GOP view that America is falling apart.

And of course btw, Scott Brown will probably go down b/c his public reputation is basically the partisan stone on the scale that pushed the GOP bloc over the edge in the ACA showdown, probably the most politically heated event of the last few years...plus he's in a Dem state...so he'll be tied to the party either way...no matter how independent he tries to pitch himself as. And I dont' even really follow this race or know about Brown but you can see that from 10,000ft.

Bill Nelson v. Connie Mack Fla Senate Race There's a race a reasonable Repub could vote Dem. Nelson ain't bad, and Mack is a complete retard. And of all the Repubs up...Scott Brown is clearly on the more likable. Of course the GOP has a knack for making that basically the same as winning the special Olympics but it's still saying something. Bottom line is you don't want people who sign on to partisan quests to destroy people politically in December of 2008 when the country is in free fall...the idea that you can just sit on the sidelines and B word and not play and know that if the other side fixes it you'll get reelected b/c things are good and if they don't you resume power...that's the highlight of partisan hackery. I'm looking at you Mitch Mcconnell and Eric Cantor...and btw I'll throw Issa in there too just b/c the guy is about as transparently partisan as he could be. Of course there are partisan civilians (on this board) who look at this paragraph and say either 1) it isn't true (it is) or 2) that's brilliant (this is the saddest response). EDIT: And just to toss a Dem under the buss for a transparent attempt to be moderate...Mcconnell may have publicly declared their goal was a 1 term presidency...but Pelosi declared her goal was to elect more democrats when she gained the majority. So ...I'm willing to toss her to the wolves she deserves it. Then again it isn't what you say, it's if you work in good faith w/ the goal of reaching an agreement. There are tons of people who should to tossed out. Although it really comes down to the party powers who set the tone and whip everyone into line.

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