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    NFL Week 8: 10/30/22 GAMEDAY BIlls vs Packers Pregame Thread 🎃

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    51 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:


    kinda wonder how good their pass D is. They have played Zappe/Hoyer, Fields, Heineke, Zach Wilson, and Daniel Jones.  All those QBs had dud games against the Packers They played cousins and Brady, and both of those guys had pretty good games. 

     

    Me too. It will be interesting to see.

     

    GB's passing defense is ranked 8th in DVOA and the DVOA offensive ranking of their schedule so far is 29th. They have faced 184 attempts (26 per game) and given up 6 TDs and had 2 INTs. Part of the reason they have ony faced 184 passing attaempts is because teams are running on them (204 Att @ 29 Att pergame) at almost 5 YPC. They have the 31st ranked rushing defense in DVOA.

     

    The Bills' passing defense is ranked 4th in DVOA and the DVOA offensive ranking of their schedule so far is 4th (including the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th ranked passing offenses in DVOA). They have faced 204 attempts (29 per game) and given up 5 TDs and had 10 INTs.

     

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    Patriots may have a QB

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    16 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    I fundamentally agree with you, but regarding "never had to concern himself with finding and developing....", I'd like to point out that two current starting QB in the league (Jacoby Brissett, and Jimmy Garappolo) were drafted by Belichick and developed in NE - which is kind of unprecedented actually as far as I know.  Then there's the curious case of Matt Cassel, who never threw a pass in college, had a winning season that just missed the playoffs in NE, repeated in KC, then fell off the edge of the NFL earth.  So some QB development obviously was able to occur, even if not "find new long term starter for NE".

     

    I won't disagree with you that there have been QBs (I wouldn't classify any of them as more than average talents who reached their ceilings) drafted and developed in NE that have started / are currently starting in the NFL. However, they were developed under McDaniels and during a period when the team had, arguably, the GOAT at QB. Not exactly the same context as needing to find and develop a QB for the team to be good or relevant again. Based on what I have seen with Belichick, since McDaniel left, has me wondering if he is even capable of doing that. 

    Patriots may have a QB

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    59 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    Interesting insights into the Patriots QB situation.

     

    I think Josh McDaniels is under-appreciated as an OC and he learned something from mis-handling Sam Bradford in St Louis.  He had Mac looking very capable and steady last season. 

     

    I think Judge and Patricia are a hot mess as OC's, much less joint OCs, but I have to admit throwing Mac to the wolves in a CYA maneuver didn't occur to me.  Now that the authors raise it, I can totally see it.

     

    Ya Hate to See It

     

    McDaniels is a pretty good OC and I don't think Belichick realized just what he did for the offense in NE. And, of course, ss long as he had Brady, Belichick never had to concern himself with finding and developing a QB in an era where success is so QB dependent. I have no doubt he dismissed McDaniels' role in the relative success they had last year with Jones and believed it was entirely due to him and his head coaching abilities.

     

    The proof is in his establishment of a dual OC concept shared by two people completely incapable of the handling the responsiblity. Now he is absolutely incapable of engaging in the necessary self-reflection and humility necessary to realize that he has f****d the entire thing up.

     

    If it keeps going south, I'm sure others will be held accountable :lol:

    With the Eagles and Chiefs making roster moves, are the Bills already good enough to stand pat?

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    4 minutes ago, Airseven said:

    Bills aren’t good enough to stand pat, in particular, lots of concern about OL. But it takes the right trade partner, player, and contract…and good timing. They may ultimately HAVE to stand pat due to the market which is what I expect.

     

    Yes they are. They are good enough to win the SB this year with the personnel they have. It is pretty much why they are the favorites...

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    With the Eagles and Chiefs making roster moves, are the Bills already good enough to stand pat?

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    4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

    They could improve at RG, LG, and RT.  But at what cost?  Would I give a No1 for Quenton Nelson?  Yes in a heart beat.  I'm not sure there is another guard that would be that much better than what we have.  

    I really don't understand the OBJ talk.  At best he would be a big body possession receiver.  Who wants or needs that?

     

    Beane made the moves in the off-season and White is coming back.  This is our team.  

     

    Almost every team is in need of upgrades along the offensive line. The teams that have good offensive lineman aren't trading them away

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    Patriots may have a QB

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    A pretty good article on the QB mess in NE

     

    Mac Jones vs. Bailey Zappe: Dawn of Controversy

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2022/mac-jones-vs-bailey-zappe-dawn-controversy

     

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    Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe are probably not very good quarterbacks. The New England Patriots and their fans need to embrace that simple fact as a first step on the path to wisdom. Jones and/or Zappe could someday develop into capable, second-quartile, "win-with" starters under the right circumstances. Jones appeared to be on track to become one in 2021, when he finished 12th in DYAR and was prematurely anointed as Tom Brady 2.0 and Anyone Who Claims Otherwise is a Hater. But right now, both are stopgaps who can only win games that the Patriots defense largely wins for them.

     

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    When the offense sputtered throughout training camp, Matt Patricia and Joe Judge began casting doubts on Jones behind the scenes as a CYA tactic. Please don't pretend this is in any way out of character for them. Belichick, stretched very thin these days, relies heavily on Beavis and Butt-Head for insight about what's going on day-to-day offensively, so Jones' rough camp and any skullduggery confirmed his skepticism. 

    Jones is pressing and hesitant because he's expected to truly operate the offense, which is of dubious quality due to the Derpy Boys coaching tandem and a complete lack of pure speed at the skill positions. Zappe looked great executing custom game plans designed around remedial passing concepts, which was all the Patriots needed in his two starts. The Derpy Boys, who suddenly started looking smart when they got credit for every Zappe completion, are incentivized to press their advantage when advising the boss.

     

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    Belichick must now make his first meaningful long-term quarterback decision in 21 years. He is almost certainly aware that neither Jones nor Zappe is Brady. He may not be aware of how much pressure Jones is under to be Brady, or how much pressure Zappe will be under to be Jones. His Patriots are tone deaf to that sort of thing. They're making the kind of mistakes the Jets and Browns have made with young quarterbacks for 20 years: getting caught up in hot streaks, playing backroom politics, letting the crowd sway Caesar's hand. They don't realize they're doing so, because they don't believe they are organizationally capable of such mistakes.

     

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    WNY Vibe: 1990/1991 vs 2022 Bills

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    28 minutes ago, Einstein said:

    In my opinion the aura of the Bills in the early 90’s was greater than it is now. Pre-internet football felt a bit more magical than it is now.

     

    My hypothesis is that social media has given us such instant close-up access to the team like never before, at the consequence of there now being little to no mystery.

     

    I miss the excitement of waking up and watching ESPN and all the pre-game shows that came on before the game started and hearing all the injuries, inactives, news, and even 1 on 1 player interviews.

     

    All those same things exist, but they’re now spread out along the previous 6 days because of the internet. Less magical and a lot of it gets lost in the noise.


    Good post. There was a completely different feel to being a fan before the internet. It is also hard to compare different times, as an old guy, because my experiences as a fan and the ways in which I express my passion have changed along the way as well. I guess, for me, it is less about comparing the different times and more about having a greater appreciation for what we have right now in Allen and this team. Special moments, players, and teams have come along so seldom during the 50+ years I have been a fan.

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    Bills sign Dawson Knox to 4-year $53.6 mill extension ($31 mill gtd) through 2026

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    1 minute ago, Bandito said:

     

    I do. And he isn't a top TE in the league, but is going to be paid like one. I'd like to see a bigger sample size before giving him all that $ that we could spend smartly elsewhere. Take off your rose colored glasses.

     

    No, you clearly don't. You just spew information that shows nothing more than a shallow understanding of the ways in which the value of a TE is measured.

     

    But hey, you do you and carry on your crusade.

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    Bills sign Dawson Knox to 4-year $53.6 mill extension ($31 mill gtd) through 2026

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    Just now, Bandito said:

    He still isn't a top echelon TE. Though he is about to be paid like one. He is a meddling TE and we got duped by how many TDs he scored last year to pay him a ton. TDs are fluky as we are seeing this season with him. I am hoping he picks it up the rest of the way.

     

    It is as if you have no idea at all about how to measure a player's worth...

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