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We won the game handily... but I can't help but not be super pleased about the run defense. We looked better out there, made multiple good stops... but the Chiefs still got 6.0 yards per carry on us. That isn't going to win us games down the road...
Other than that, I have zero complaints about our performance.
Which is an awesome feeling!Love what the Bills did overall today. I think the run defense is much improved but needs to (and will IMO) just be more consistent about not giving up the big runs. KC's rushes today: 18 total. 14 for 37 yards and a 2.6 average - but the other 4 rushes went for 71 yards and and a 17.8 average. Again, looking at in context of the score and the nature/design of those runs, I am not going to be overly critical. I am ecstatic about how the team played today and I do think they will get more consistent in the run defense...they are already head and shoulders above what I saw the last couple of years. They played very solidly as a team from beginning to end in this game. Setting aside the W and the score (a pleasant bonus)...that is what I really have been waiting to see...
Here's hoping they continue that trend
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Eastrochfan,
I was simply stating at the time when I posted that there was some pressures coming down on Fitz. We didn't get killed but it wasn't the best either. As the game went on and the lead got larger we got more consistant. That's all I was saying.
Overall we had a great game and still can improve on some key positions:
Merriman, Parrish, Jones, Spiller. Easley was out, Moats was out.
I was dissapointed but not shocked in the least that McGee was already injured. If he takes longer than 6 games to recover I see them putting him on IR and we have seen the last of his old dusty @ss. I've been calling for this since Greer was let go so I kind of feel S-M-R-T on this one. Sucks to know I'm right though. I'm OK with it because Williams is a gamer and will be part of our youth movement half a year earlier than expected.
How did Lee do in Baltimore today everyone? Just curious. And it didn't look like we missed him here at all either. Chandler will be this years Stevie Johnson and our young WRs will be fine with Jones and Nelson.
GO BILLS!!!
Evans - 0 catches on four balls thrown his way
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The Bills owner has been maximizing the team's value for years now.
Ralph makes an occasional spin comment, but really doesn't care about having a winning team.
Nix and Gailey are caretaker staff, but the power is with the financial guys.
I can't believe so many people here refuse to accept this.
You are certainly welcome to your opinion and free to express it all you want. You can make an intelligent argument to support what you believe; however, equally intelligent arguments can be made to support different beliefs. You can believe the owner is cheap and could care less about winning, and that Nix and Gailey are merely puppets of the financial guys. I have been following the team passionately since 1968. What I have observed during that time leads me to believe that the owner wants a winning team and there are times his decisions are made accordingly. There are also times his decisions are based on the fact that it is a business (and he has every right to treat it as such). On many occasions decisions appear to be based on a complicated mixture of the two. Bad decisions at times? Yes. Hiring the wrong people at times and allowing them to make bad decisions? Yes. But in the end I believe Ralph Wilson would like to give the fans a winning team. In addition, my observations over the last two years lead me to believe that Nix and Gailey are trying to build a winning team and are not merely puppets of a cheap owner and his financial minions. Based on what I have seen, I am willing to give them a chance to succeed.
My point is this: Based on my own observations, I believe differently than you do. So, (1) why do I have to believe what you do? and (2) Why is it so important to you that I do?
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Top 7 Movies:Avatar
A Few Good Men
The Usual Suspects
The Dark Knight
Gladiator
The Godfather
Talledega Nights (gotta have a funny one right)
Last of the Mohicans
Saving Private Ryan
Gladiator
The Godfather 1 and 2
Good Will Hunting
The Deer Hunter
Dances W/ Wolves
The Lord of the Rings (1. Fellowship, 2. Return, 3. Two Towers)
Since responding to the OP's request appears to be going nowhere, I thought I would add to the movie list (all great - for the most part) and build on the humor aspect - particularly a little dark, twisted humor (Top 7 - no particular order):
1. Boondock Saints
2. Resevoir Dogs
3. Pulp Fiction
4. Things to do in Denver When you're Dead
5. Snatch
6. Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
7. Smokin Aces
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After tonight's game I would immediately cut Thigpen and Buster Davis.
I thought Sheppard on the other hand played a great first game.
Agreed. Sheppard looked very good for first game action. I also liked Morrison (for just joining the team) and Heard (really got consistent push on the O line; and I really hope they find room for Aiken - I think he has looked pretty strong all pre-season
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I think I may actually go and put Thigpen in the surprise cut thread... Sure he isnt getting anytime and his receivers have been dropping a lot of balls but he is slow getting the ball out himself, seems to focus on single targets; seriously doubting his vision as well. Problem with judging him is that we know by what crap he is being protected.
Two of his sacks were definitely his fault rather than the O line, he rarely put a ball where he should have for his receivers, and couldn't read a blitz if it was signaled to him on the score board. He has been bad all pre-season and was even worse tonight. Brown hasn't been appreciably better but has much more upside IMO
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Really like Sheppard....but about to have an aneurysm watching Thigpen...just horrible
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Now I've officially closed my Fitz the Ugly thread, I don't appreciate having my QB dissed so badly, 27th my ass
Welcome back
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TD to INT ratio are two of the most important aspects of a signal caller in the NFL. Score points and don't turn the ball over, keep your job. Don't score points and turn the ball over, lose your job
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This is silly. Those guys were the best of their era, when the league wasn't as pass happy. For example Kelly threw 23 TDs in 91, two less than the league leader. he threw 19 INTs.
Compared to Fitz's 23 and 15 i guess Kelly sucks.
btw Fitz was sacked only 1% more than Kelly, so its not just the Oline for the Fitz fanboys.
And taking HOF career numbers from a bygone era and comparing them to a single season is also silly.
Fitz is a 1.04 over his career and .77 before last year.
Kelly had one season below 1.0 and his INT % was the same as Fitz's best season.
You also fail to point out those HOF also had some pretty good RBs who took away from TD totals. Something FItz doesnt get, so his TDs are higher.
That post wasn't intended to indicate any of what you wrote. It was in response to the OP claiming that the TD/Int ratio was such an important stat. It was sarcasm to illustrate how using a single stat in a vacuum is ridiculous.
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Good lord man, who in your opinion has the single most effect on the give away/take away if not the QB. Fitz threw 15 INT's and fumbled the football 8 times(5 lost) in 13 games which I can guarantee you was the biggest contributing factor in the Bills league low net-17,
So twist it around all you want, or ignore the facts, but it is what it is...
There is no single player that has the most effect on the turnover margin. That's the point. There are a number of factors that play into every turnover: from a missed block, to a tipped pass, to a bad route on a timing pattern, to a bad throw, to the weather, etc., etc, etc.
There is plenty of blame to go around in a team sport...it would literally take a break down on film of each and every turnover to assign the proper blame. And that is on the offensive side of the ball. Forcing turnovers on defense is an entirely different analysis and just as important - that's why they call it a turnover/take away margin.
In the post you began this thread with, you singled out Fitzpatrick without any real supporting argument and completely ignored any other factors that may have contributed to the turnover margin. My apologies, but I just don't find that to be a logical argument in explaining the team's +/- differential.
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How dare you use logic, reason, good judgment and common sense in a post on this board? You, sir, should be banned.
Yes, the arguments morphed faster than the wonder twins on a staurday morning cartoon. What I took issue with was blaming the defense for Fitz not playing better and cherry picking a career year (not even a complete year) for fitz and comparing it again career statistics for other players. Apples and oranges. Cheers to you for presenting a logical argument. It wasn't my intent to argue to OP's original point, which does have some holes in it.
Point taken
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You drawing the conclusion you want from one statistic is a joke, comprende?
So its the defense's fault that Fitz has the statistics of a crappy QB? Is anything his fault? If you want to do a real statistical analysis of Fitz and his stats versus other QB's in the league, read this article. Yes, its from bleacher report, but its is a great article that provides an objective look at numbers that matter. You will notice that there are no excuses made for average drive start or crappy lines or defenses who didn't take the ball away, or bad coaches that held him back or draft position or a mother who didn't breast feed him enough. Its a cold, hard look at statistics over a career - not a cherry picked season or part of a season. Plug Fitz's numbers in and see where he comes out.
With all due respect, the OP started this thread talking about the +/- margins of NFL teams in 2010. He then stated the Buffalo Bills had the worst margin. He then supplied Ryan Fitzpatrick's career numbers, which, as far as I can tell, have no relevance to the 2010 turnover margin. He then supplied only the number of interceptions and fumbles Fitzpatrick had in 2010 - under the heading of "ugly." He mentioned nothing else. So the rational, logical flow of the post was that the Buffalo Bills had the worst turnover margin in 2010 and the reason was Fitzpatrick. I have no problem with anyone expressing their opinion. But as I told all of my children as they were growing up: You have the right to believe whatever you want. However, if you are going to express your opinion, be able to articulate a legitimate foundation for why you believe what you believe. Since it is logical to conclude from the OP's post that he blamed Fitzpatrick for the Buffalo Bills' bad turnover margin in 2010 - then we should be able to counter that argument with Fitzpatrick's statistics from 2010. As such, his career statistics are irrelevant. The fact is that Fitzpatrick passed for 3000 yards, threw 23 touchdowns, threw 15 interceptions, had a TD/Int ratio of 1.53, and fumbled 8 times. Those numbers are average numbers for a QB in any season (and compare favorably to the career average numbers of many of the QBs mentioned in the article you cited). The fact that he did it after being thrown in as the starter behind an offensive line that kept him running for his life and constantly in 2nd or 3rd and long (and many other factors)certainly is relevant - nothing happens in a vacuum. And even more relevant to the argument by the OP is the fact that the defense was horrendous in forcing turnovers.
You will not find one post I have ever written where I championed Fitzpatrick in any way. However, he did a decent job on a bad team last year. His performance last year had far less to do with our turnover margin than many other factors - and his career stats have no relevance to the 2010 turnover margin at all.
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Maybe If you read the thread you would see my acknowledgment of the defense/secondary taking part in the net-17TD to INT ratio is an important part of the equation that some of you choose to ignore...
Terry Bradshaw (1), Jim Kelly (1.35), Troy Aikman (1.17), and John Elway (1.32), just to name a few, all had career TD to Interception ratios that were worse than what Fitz posted last year (1.53). Pretty "ugly" stuff for a stat that is so important. Perhaps we should have them removed from the Hall of Fame…
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You want to talk about elite, Tom Brady passed for 3,900 yards, 36 TD's and 4 INT's (2010)
You're right. Tom Brady did have an elite year in 2010. He also had an elite year in 2007. But those kinds of years are rare for any quarterback, even the "elite" quarterbacks like Brady, Manning, etc. Ryan Fitzpatrick is not an elite quarterback; however, your analysis is really pretty simplistic and his "ugly" stats for 2010 are actually average stats for a quarterback: 23 touchdowns, 15 interceptions, a touchdown/interception ratio of 1.53, an attempts/interception ratio of 30, and 8 fumbles. For the years 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2009, Tom Brady averaged 25 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, a touchdown/interception ratio of 1.9, an attempts/interception ratio of 40, and 9 fumbles. Fairly similar and pretty ugly by your standards - yet, he somehow managed to win some super bowls; which he didn't win in either of his two elite years.
Is Fitzpatrick in the same category as Tom Brady? Absolutely not. Just sayin' having winning seasons is a lot more complicated than a stat line - and your singling out of Fitzpatrick for this team's woes is a little misguided.
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Hey guys and gals,
Doing some long-term work on QBs. Wondering if you all could do me the favor of either posting, commenting or emailing me your rankings of current starting QBs. Not "which guy do I want on the Bills" but how good they are right now for this season:
http://www.nickmendola.com/rate-the-qbs/
Thanks,
Nick
Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Phillip Rivers
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Romo
Michael Vick
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Kyle Orton
Jay Cutler
Joe Flacco
Matt Schaub
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Mark Sanchez
Donovan McNabb
Sam Bradford
Matt Hasselbeck
David Garrard
Alex Smith
Josh Freeman
John Beck/Rex Grossman
Kevin Kolb
Colt McCoy
Matt Cassel
Jason Campbell
Andy Dalton
Chad Henne
Cameron Newton
Tarvaris Jackson
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Check out that video you's guys. Why would the Bills who stink and I don't mean no offense about it give up on a guy like this? He was barely even in town for a week and makes plays like this. Does that play remind you of anyone that used to play in the big apple? Granted he wasn't a Jet but he played like that in the Jets stadium and wore #56.
I actually sort of feel bad for the Bills. I mean they traded Evans which was dumb but I think they got a pick. They just let this stud walk? Do they know what they are doing? Can't they teach nothing? The rich gets richer I suppose.
P.S. J-E-T-S Jets JEts JETS.
Nice to see Maybin putting his best foot forward for the Jets. You're right, it's clear Rex has helped Maybin with his footwork the way he came around that corner...and sacked that quarterback, what, 10 or fifteen feet behind the line of scrimmage? Of, course he better keep it up or Rex will put a foot up his...
PS: F-E-E-T. Feet. Feet. Feet.
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I once believed in Santa Claus but then i turned 8 and reality sunk in. As long as Ralph owns this team it will be a Mickey Mouse run organization.( Sorry Mickey for the comparison)
Didn't Ralph own the team during our Super Bowl years?
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...to play football in Buffalo. I'm not impressed. The jury is still out on last year's draft and aside from Dareus, this draft is looking very suspect. I certainly hope that this crew knows something that I don't and doesn't turn out to be yet another 4 year cluster !@#$. Tic toc tic toc...
I'm pretty sure they do...
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The Bills screwed up yet again. How the hell did they come away from the 2011 NFL Draft without a quarterback? Ryan Fitzpatrick is not the answer. Every football person outside of Buffalo knows this, yet the Bills stubbornly continue to settle for mediocrity at the most important position in football.
So, let's see what Walterfootball.com had to say about the quarterbacks that went in the first round after Buffalo's pick:
Locker at #8 - "Locker's accuracy is abysmal and his football IQ is pretty low"
Gabbert at #10 - "I think Gabbert will be OK. I like the fact that he can sit behind David Garrard for a year or two
Ponder at #12 - "A reach that would make Inspector Gadget proud"
I'm not sure which one of those would have been worthy of a number three pick by their own descriptions. let's look at what they had to say about the top quarterbacks that Buffalo passed on in the 2nd:
Dalton at #35 - "received mixed reviews from the scouting community, so it remains to be seen how he'll perform"
Kaepernick at #36 - "may not start in 2011, but that's OK. He's a project
Mallett at #74 - "has JaMarcus Russell-like character concerns and a Byron Leftwich-like release. There's upside, but that's about it.":
So, it doesn't sound as if walterfootball.com was sold on any of these quarterbacks as having "franchise potential" or even rising above "mediocrity" (to use their own term). Sort of idiotic to question the intelligence of those who agree with you...
As an aside, they also offered these stunning gems of analyses:
About the Mallett pick: "I have no doubt in my mind that Belichick doesn't plan on playing Mallett at all. He's going to trade him in a year or two to a quarterback-hungry team for a much higher pick" - Really. Tom Brady as the starter...signed through 2014...and they figured that out all on their own?
About Cam Newton: "I don't think he'll ever be great..I liken Cam Newton to Vince Young. Like Young, Newton possesses an amazing skill set, but doesn't appear to love the game of football enough to put hundreds of hours into film study...[but] has the intangibles to be a great leader for this Carolina franchise" - So, he doesn't have the heart or motivation for the game? This just in..those are the "intangibles". "Tangibles" are the skills...
Idiots...
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That Jerry is a pro. Pretty simple. I don't why some of you are so jealous that he's considered a pro.
OK...you got me curious now. Are you Jerry - or Jerry's mom?
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Another "I'm done with this team thread". How original.
I'm as pessimistic as anyone, but I was born in 1980. I'm 30 years old. There are posters who are older and much wiser who will tell you the 70's and early 80's were way worse than now. And ya know what? They didn't cry and jump ship. They stuck with this team because it's THEIR team. It sucks to be awful, but you can't win every season. You can't even make the playoffs every decade. But you still follow your team. When they do finally win, how sweet it will be for those of us who bitched and moaned, but never even considered jumping ship. Get over it. This team is a bunch of untalented losers. But their OUR untalented losers.
I am also one of the older fans - over 50 and have passionately followed the Bills since I was 8 years old. I have followed them through the lowest of lows, the highest of highs, and everything in between. I can become angry, dismayed, disgusted, cynical, or (place your favorite adjective here) like any Bills fan. However, they are the team of my childhood, a passion I have shared with friends and family for most of my life, the source of a lot of wonderful memories (the ones that really matter like the first game I ever went to and the first game I ever took my son to - both losses by the way, but the final scores meant nothing compared to the experiences themselves) - and the only football team I can truly root for. It is what it is. I've been here before - and things will get better (sooner rather than later I hope
). But, in the end, they are my team. So I try to hope for the best, not to stress too much over things I can't control, and remember that it is only a game. -
You're 33 not Your 33. It's allowed not aloud. Other than that I agree with your post but no matter how old you are, you should have some knowledge of grammar. Sorry for correcting it but it drive's me nuts when I see how people bastardize words. I also agree we should all thank Ralph that we have something to b1tch about. Heck, without the Bills people might focus on their lives and improving the city they dwell in.
And you really should use a semicolon before, and a comma after, a conjuntive adverb when joining two independent clauses
Just sayin'
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Got ya bills fan.
Stevie J Taking a Lot of Heat From Chief Fans
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Unless I'm mistaken...isn't Missouri the state that elected a dead guy as senator in the 2000 elections? Just sayin'