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Troup! Sounds like a great pick for a reach at the at the second spot. Ha Ha! Great job to the Scouting staff and Nix!!!!

Thanks Thoner as I said before being in Atlanta. Your take on the workout is great. I have one question Coleman, how is he looking? I am an Auburn grad and my daughter knows the guy.

I think Chad Jackson, based on the write-up on Bills.com

I have been wondering who would start at OLB. Maybin - Only On passing downs is what I have been hearing Kelsey has hardly ever covered anybody and when he did he was trailing. Schobel has hardly been asked to cover anyone and his INT's are mostly batting balls at line or smelling out screens. So he was going to be a one or two down player? For 8 Million, we arleardy have one of those in Maybin. Sohobel was a 9 year 4-3 DE and made no attempt at showing up or showed no desire to change.

By the looks in the second photo. At least they had thier play books with them. (see table)

Thanks, These reports mean alot to us here in Atlanta.

What I was trying to point out here is that, we always hear "we are this close", if "we could get one more set of downs". OR the experts say Chan is great at gaming plan to his talent. If you take those two points: 1) The existing stats from last year with no improvement, we only need one to two more series a game. 2) If we improve the TE play and get the RB in the passing game down field more (10+ yards), we could see great improvement. I think Chan was looking in that same direction with CJ and Matthews and OTAS running more crossing and seem route with TE. Sorry Some time I think/reading more then I am actually writing. Hope that helps (I know why didn't you just say that in the first place.)

Nicely said!!!

I looked at www.ProFootballFocus.com and looked at last years production compared to top 15 teams. The top teams got about 1000 to 1030+ play off last year. Fred J averaged 4.5 per carry Lynnch 3.8 Evans 13.9 per catch Trent 60.1% with 6.3 yards per catch (tops of the main three) If you assume the following to keep players happy: RB 1 230 carrys x 4.5 = 1035 yds RB 2 165 carrys x 3.8 = 627 yds RB 3 125 carrys x 4.2 = 525 yds WR 1 75 catches x 13.9 = 1043 yds WR 2 55 catches x 14.0 = 770 yds WR 3 45 catches x 10.8 = 486 yds TE 50 catches x 10.0 = 500 yds RB's 65 catches x 12.0 = 780 yds Misc. 10 plays x 8.0 = 80 yds Total plays needed on offense to get above numbers is 1020. breaksdown like this: Rushing 520 Passing 500 To achieve this QB needs 500 attempts 300 completions for 60% for 3579 for 7.2 yds per catch. (can Chan get this out any of our QB's) Last year we had 979 snaps (926 plus ATL w/ 53) the QB's had 439 attempts (so cut down on sack and penalties and junk plays) Bills site has 911 plays, not sure what makes the difference? So we need 41 or 109 more offensive plays (3 or 7 more per game). More production from the QB with just a yard more per catch avg, TE yards per catch up and RB yards per catch up. I can now see why Buddy and Chan say we are not that far off. Chan has been working on the TE and Drafted for the RB as a WR. I would love this balance!!! Please note that I did not say anything about you was starting in 2010, only used last years stats Have at it.

Wow! Using the word DUDE makes you what 15-16. What I was trying to point out is that Trent played will enough to win those games. IF Elway finishes the DRIVE and then the Kick off team let's them run it back , did Elway not play good enough to win?

OK. Everyone has an opinion on the strater for next season, but my question is whovever the starter is what do you do with the others? Let's say Trent wins starting spot. Do you kept Fitz or Brohm or both? I think the big issue is confidence. Each one of all three have been beat out or replaced by each other (except Brohm issues were in GB). So if you take chances and don't succeed your looking over your shoulder at someone who already has replaced you at some point before. I don't think that works. It's almost like Flutie/Johnson. I think you need a real change in play level from your one to your two. Just like Jim Kelly and Frank R. That all said I think the only spot nailed down is the third spot with Levi Brown. Thoughts?

Born NT 1962 Moved Spartanburg, SC 1972 Broome HS 1980 Auburn Alabama 1983 -1985, Auburn Grad 85 Winston-Salem, NC 1986-1992 Charlotte, NC - 1992-1995 - Township Grille great Bills location not sure it's still there. Atlanta 1995-present Just finished may basement bar for the 2010 season. Bar has one rule: GUYS NO SHIRTS - NO DRINKS!!! GIRLS NO SHIRTS - FREE DRINKS!!!

If you don't get the win or a win in football. How do you explain QB comparsions that the team is 4-1 with Whoever and 5-6 with the next guy? Guess what I am asking is it just dump luck that everytime a expert says a QB's win/lose it's the same total as his GS?

Well if you aint first you're last. Wait on this list if you are first : your are last! Leave it to the Bills to be the only team to do that.

Ok I have a question. How can all the posters against Trent or any QB for that matter. Say he always checks down or misses the open guy. When I watch a game at home, the camera keys on the ball and you very rarely see the whole field and at a game its almost the same way, you may be watching the WR saying thier open, but quickly look back and the QB has dumped it off and you may see the pressure or the flow of the game changes and your not sure all you know is that like everybody else at the game your pissed at the QB, maybe someone should have held thier block or maybe the WR who is so open ran the wrong route, who knows. Not any of the fans, only the coaches and players who new the play call and blocking assignments know the miss q's. I don't see how we can be game film critics, by just watching network coverage. As for the quality of the flight of the ball. No QB throws the perfect pass every time. Montana's pass on the Catch was a bad throw that Clark made look good, Kilmer could only throw a thight pass underhanded, watch the NFL Network and I would say 50% of the great passes they show/hightlight are wably and off the mark and the WR makes the QB look good. Network guys say "that's the only place he could have thrown it" and say BS. In the heat of the game very few QB's can put it in the WR back pocket, it's usally the WR adjusting and making a great catch in my opinion. Help me out here?

Based on these facts I think Trent will start and play well: In the Nfl if you start and win you get the win, so in Trents case that about evens out based on JP injuries and his. With that: Trent's win vs loses are 5-4 in 2007 7-7 in 2008 2-5 in 2009 14-16 career win/lose. Now in those starts he has a career 61.3 completion %. Now flip a coin on the following games that the defense and special teams help lose: 2007 Cleveland 2008 Cleveland 2009 Cleveland and Monday night meltdown NE. I kept the Dallas meltdown a lose, because he threw 3 int's. With these four games he is 18-13 career win/lose and he plays more games. Also with a weak OL you have to Checkdown in this league. Even with playoff teams OL's Rodgers and Ben got put on thier back 87 times and 143 times respectively over the same three years and Fitz was sacked 59 times over the last two years (he has no 2007 stat's) against Trent's career sacks of just 58. Now add Chan's coaching and I think he does well. I know stats are for losers, but is he really a loser or was he in a "No Win" situation and produce well for 3 year guy?

You know what I like about this team? I like that nobody knows for sure who the starters are going to be. That includes the Fins, Pats and Jets. who we play in the first four games. Chans knows by now, I would imagine that the schdule is going to keep him from saying much of anything. Those first four games are make or break for our season within the division.

Did you guys see the Roundup film with Trent completing a pass to , I think Evans on the side line, I replayed it twice to get the guys number and it was Torell Troup that pulled up and bumped Trent and let him get the pass off, in a real game 2nd string QB would have been in the game and Edwards in the locker room. I can only hope that when the pads go on that Troup continues with plays like that.

OH! I am sorry your opinion is so much better. In the future I'll just tell everyone to ask you first!

I have flown back to Buffalo the last couple of years. Started when we played Atlanta (Vick). Here is what I recommend: Get nice hotel, maybe one with gambling. Then visit/ eat: (I have stayed at the Seneca Niagara) Teds Hot Dogs Falls Beef On Wick Downtown Bars for wings go to Platters in NT for orange chocolate and Drink Genney Cream Ale Fly out Monday so you can gamble Sunday after the game.

Remember, Brohm is usually third on the reps. which means he is going up against maybe second, but usually third and fourth team corners. Just saying

Let me say this: the part about him maybe coming back is not a direct quote in the article and Buffalobills.com makes no reference to anything like that. So I wonder if the B-news is miss representing his position? Still I am of the opinion that we should trade him if possible. However how does it work if he retires and then comes out and plays for let's say Houston. Can he do that this year and we get nothing? And if he can why would teams trade with us? Thoughts?

OK! Just to give us a starting point and for me to see how close I get come to getting it right. I project the roster to look like this: (25) QB - Edwards, Brohm, Brown RB - Jackson, Spiller, Bell, Lynch WR - Evans, Hardy, Parrish, Johnson, Easley, Nelson FB - None TE- Nelson, Schuman, Matthews G - Levitre, Wood, Chambers, Calloway OT - Bell, Green, Meredith, Wang C- Hangartner (24) DE - Stroud, Edwards, Carrington, Johnson NT - Williams, Troup OLB- Maybin, Kelsay, Batten, Moats, Coleman ILB - Poz, Davis, Mitchell, Torbor CB - McGee, McKelvin, Florence, Corner, Youboty SS - Whitner, Scott FS- Byrd, Wilson ST (3) K- Lindell P - Moorman LS- Sanborn Total - 52 (extra will be special teams player - WR, LB, DE, maybe fullback) Thoughts?

What I can't believe is that Drafttek has 6 North Carolina defensive players in the top 40 picks. If I saw that right that is either unbeliviable or the site has no creditablity or both.

Is there a link that shows number of times thrown to verses actual catches? I would bet that Stevie was thrown to 12 times with 12 catches. That's why we like him.