Erik Flowers

You are assuming he is a bigger fan of football than he is of making money. I'm not sure he even likes football.

6 runs in the SECOND HALF to 46 pass attempts in the ENTIRE GAME. The way you have it worded is disingenuous.

Those are generalizations, not details. Which specific games didn't sell in which specific years? What was the bills' record at that time, where did they stand in the playoff race. What was the weather forecast. Provide those details, and we can perhaps draw some conclusions about why those games didn't sell out. You obviously don't care about why, you would rather cut and paste and quote yourself. So be it. But don't pretend that your cute little article explains why. Comparing data from two decades ago to the last 10 years is also a difficult sell, since the ticket buying patterns of fans have changed substantially. ****, near the end of the decade of futility we have more season ticket holders than we did in the superbowl years. But don't let that get in the way of the conclusion you wrote in an article you are now recycling.

Stuff your pissy attitude and give me the details. Making grand statements without backing them up is clearly what you and your buddy PTR do best. Care to edit your post?

The bolded is QFT.

Your response is nonsense. If fans are all about winning and the bills (two mutually exclusive concepts for nearly the Bills entire existence) then why are season ticket sales and sellouts increasing through the 2000's when they sucked? Because of marketing and regionalization. So again - lets look at which specific games didn't sell out and the Bills record at the time and maybe we can make some progress. And where are you getting the figures you based your story on? Quoting yourself is quite fulfilling, I am sure, but it doesn't help those trying to get to the root of the issue.

ticket sales have almost nothing to do with the profitability of an NFL team. Its all about TV dollars and corporate sales. No team will move to LA on the hope of selling tickets, because the people there don't care about football. That has been demonstrated over and over and over again. Keep holding your breath for something to actually occur in LA. For all the progress you claim has been made, has anyone actually stuck a shovel in the ground yet? And no, saying they are tied for first isn't accurate either. According to the tie breakers, they are in third.

Throw out your stats for the 2000's we weren't competitive and were out of the running almost every year. The stats for the 90's aren't broken down by the year. What games weren't sold out - what was our record at the time - those are factors that drive sales. You make a specific accusation based on generalized data. And I agree with DD - there was a very limited marketing push, if any at all, in the early part of the 90's. And of course promo crosses his facts - confusing ticket sales for attendance - but then facts are just an inconvenience to him.

Are you too dumb to realize promo is saying you are an undeserving fan, too? A need to be miserable fan? WTF does that mean? The reason I am in this thread is because I detest Promo calling out everyone on this board for being undeserving fans because we don't support the bills to his satisfaction. Maybe you are allright with that. I'm not. But you just go ahead rationalizing how we are really in first place even though we are in third.

That you are right? You aren't right about a god damned thing. So again, take your condescending, holier than though attitude and cram it up your ass. I'm surprised you bother to attend a game with all the unworthy fair weather fans who (sometimes) populate that stadium.

I live outside the area, and attend a game or two a year. I have tickets for the Denver game, because I prefer cold weather game. Don't patronize me or question my fanhood because I think your atiitude and condescension towards fellow fans makes you an !@#$ Word. Again, we are not a first place team, we are in third. But don't let facts get in the way of you continuing to spew your bull ****. Since you hate your fellow fans so much, maybe you should root for a team with better fans. Those folks in Jacksonville and the 5 teams that have bombed out of LA sure know how to support a team. Maybe it has something to do with clinched playoff spots or already being out of the running. Call me crazy, but I still prefer the cold weather games. I always attended the last home game of the year in my college years, as all my friends were home from college. Luckily for me, I was in college from 90-94. And I was at that oilers game that didn't sell out, as well as the comeback playoff game. I hate what PTR has turned this thread into - condescend to me because of your perception of whether I buy tickets or not? Insult everyone on this board like some unsold tickets a month out are a personal affront to you? Puff your chest out like you are a better fan because you hold 4 seasons for 18 years? Big !@#$ing deal. !@#$ you Promo - you are so full of ****. take your tickets and cram them up your ass. Buy four more seasons and maybe Ralph will let you give him his daily enema. Oh - its not the team he looks down on - they can do no wrong. Its you and me and every other fan that doesn't support the team to the level he feels is adequate that he despises and looks down on.

We were -2 in turnovers and lost the game. How is that ridiculous? But you are missing the point of this thread - Bills nation does not suck because it isn't selling out games at the moment - and PTR is an !@#$ for suggesting it does.

we compete just fine when we are +4 in takeaways - when those numbers fall back to earth we struggle mightily. Lets look back at the end of the season and see where we stand, as well as the teams we beat.

No, we are in third - and just got our ashes hauled by the jets. Again. Hello LA? Get off your high horse. This team has a long ways to go to be able to compete against the better teams in the league. This fan base has been buying tickets hopeless season after hopeless season. One slow year at the gate and we suck as fans? Go !@#$ yourself.

Phil Kessel? Lance Armstrong?

What size shirt is he wearing in this pic, a youth large?

Brad Smith is too dumb to be successful in the NFL.

Not exactly missouri, is it? Dumb ass probably couldn't get in.

Jimmy has apparently been tied up in Court. It seems he had a spat with his gay lover (not that there is anything wrong with that), and shot the dude in the head. Check out the mug shot - spitting image of the Jetz #1 fan! http://tcriernews.com/article/Local/Local/Duffy_Trial_Set_to_begin_November_9th/22747

Fixed that for you.

Apparently, you're not old enough to have watched Marv Levy pitch a fit on the sideline and swear up one side of a ref and down the other. Or maybe you think Marv thought he was bigger than the game, too.

Notice I'm not starting threads suggesting they sign me...

Why are you friends with someone who isn't a sports fan? Is he marrying a dude? Not that there's anything wrong with that... Just because you got WAY too drunk in college one time and went for a ride on the bologna pony doesn't mean you have to miss a Bills game. Unless he is threatening to divulge the pictures, in which case you are screwed. Again.

2005, 2005, paging 2005, please pick up the white courtesy phone. One of your threads escaped and can't find its way back. Paging 2005...

He was working on that mix tape.