Mr. WEO
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Yeah. I pointed out that Gailey was wrong, for whatever reason. He was. I was right.
If pointing out that someone was wrong is a semantic argument, I guess my argument was semantic. He expressed himself in words and he was wrong. Of course, pretty much everyone expresses themselves in words, so that would make every argument semantic. Whatever. Gailey was wrong about Bell's status in that quote, I assume from absent-mindedness or that he just misspoke. But he was wrong.
To which I would say that this has nothing to do with anything I said, and I don't really care. Why are you shovelling this at me? Is it really in response to my joke? The rest of that post was pretty clearly a joke, I thought. Was it really that opaque to you?
An eternal question for doc.
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Someone will sign him. And 31 other GM's were wrong about Moss when he was with Oakland, so, it happens.
The 31 GMs knew he wasn't washed up, but in his prime. They didn't want to deal with his attitude.
The 32 GMs, thus far, and per his own claim, are not concerned about his personality disorder. They think he's at the end of his career.
There's a difference, you know.
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This is based on youtube videos?
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Nice!
I'm guessing that Nix and CG feel the same way, given what we've got at LT so far.
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Every new/relocation city I mentioned was at least 10 years AFTER the stadium was built. And if you recall, Ralph demanded stadium improvements and club seats be sold, before he'd sign a new lease in 1998.
And you were the one that said that the NFL isn't a money-making machine and that ALL the owners are making money hand over fist. So relocating wouldn't exactly be a risk, would it? And if it were, several owners took that risk.
The owners that moved wanted new stadiums. Ralph got one. What's hard to understand here? He wanted improvemnets, he got them. Yet you say despite both of these details, he would STILL have moved??
As I have pointed out, Ralph saved tens of millions by not moving to the cities you imagine that he would have (somehow) moved to ahead of those who did. Despite this, he STILL would have moved??
wow.
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The quickness and elusiveness of Roscoe, if used properly, either with reverses, fake reverses can or make up your own play can be the straw that adds a bit more to the camels back for defensive coordinators playing the bills.
The Bills lacking talents can no longer be used as an excuse if Roscoe, CJ, Marshawn, Jackson, and Evans are put in situations that can take advantage of their skills.
Parrish is only "elusive" when he has an untouched 10 yard headstart, such as when he is returning a punt.
You can't "fair catch" a pass.
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September? You were talking May of that year. Funny that your idol Jerruh Jones didn't change plans for Jerruhworld, given the impending economic meltdown. I guess "the situation changed" there as well.
And yes doc, there IS no CBA.
My "idol"? Come on, doc. That is so weak. This is all you've got now.
Yes, they dumped the CBA in May. You seem to think the economic collapse began 4 months later. That's September, doc.
Jones voted to end the CBA. He was never a fan of it anyway---mainly because the thought of sharing what he felt was his money with guys like Ralph made him angry. Anyway, he was hellbent on building his monument to himself, to the tune of $650 mil of his money.
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What, you think any of the other owners who moved and paid a (much less than the $100M you made up; try $29M) relocation fee, or who set-up new franchises, weren't worried about recouping their money? You think that assurances weren't given to them in the hopes of luring them there? Usually on much higher investments than Ralph's $25K? You think that the stadium being built in 1973 or the SB's in the early 90's would have prevented him from moving? Or that he couldn;t have made substantially more than $200M on his $25K investment the past decade, in a better market? You think that Ralph suddenly became risk-averse? Hey, whatever (poorly constructed, emotionally driven thing) you say.
To the bolded part--the answer obviously is "yes" and "no", respectively.
Why on earth would he move after they just built a new stadium?? Most of the owners who left did so because they couldn't get a new stadium. And why would he move at the zenith of his team's existence? This seems reasonable to consider to you? And why would he leave over the past ten years when he has proven there is nothing wrong with the Buffalo market as far as football fans are concerned--it is extremely lucrative.
Why would ANY businessman risk an absolute sure thing to end up, potentially, in a situation like Jax? What is the "better market" that would have netted Ralph more money?? In the last 5 years, Ralph has cleared more than most or all of the "new teams" on your list each year.
Making things up? A move after a free stadium was built? Perhaps the silliest comment you have made on this topic thus far.
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Not to worry. The NFL foresaw the economic meltdown. The CBA and their "war chest" will solve all their problems.
Doc, looks like you were the only one who awoke some morning that September surprised to read about the economic collapse in the newspaper.
There is no CBA, by the way.
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What wins of JPL's did I imagine?
Dallas, Jets, Cleveland '07 come to mind.
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Where was Ralph going to put the team (besides Jax)? Gee, how about Indianapolis? Tennessee? Baltimore? Cleveland? Carolina? Houston? You do know that these cities received NFL teams, whether relocated or expansion (it doesn't matter, but nice try) in the past 30 years, right? And what overhead would he have had in those places? His $25K investment in the team wouldn't have changed. They built shiny new stadiums for their new teams and pay for their upkeep, with the owners being charged rent that is a pittance compared to the increase in revenue. What "risk" was there, doc? The answer is: there was none.
I know what you're trying to say, and it's "well, since he didn't move, he was never thinking of moving." This sounds like your other poorly crafted argument that since Jones didn't ask Gailey for an interview, it meant he didn't want to and was lying (err, "tossing out a compliment") when he called firing him a mistake.
Wow. Just...wow.
What risk?? Are you joking? First, there is a relocation fee (? over $100 million). Then there is the risk that his team would NOT sell out his games and he would NOT clear tens of millions per year. Jax!---hahaha!
You really need to review the history of the NFL in the cities you mentioned above. Each situation was unique--they weren't all ready for or looking for a team for 30 years. (WTF??) After that report back to us exactly when Ralph was going to move the team and to where.
Was it in the 70's, right after Buffalo built him a brand new stadium? The early nineties, when the Buffalo Bills were stringing together 4 SB appearances? The late nineties, when Buffalo renovated "Ralph Wilson Stadium"? The past deade when he profited at least $200 million from Buffalo's "bad market"?
And, yes, when people don't do something (such as not inviting someone for an interview) it usually means they didn't want to. Not sure why you're still having trouble with that concept. Maybe you have another reason why he didn't interview CG, but you have yet to share it.
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Holy non-sequitur, batman! What does taking away the best catch or game of a player in a season have to do with what I allegedly said about JP winning all those games he didn't play in (over the unreproachable Trent Edwards)?
The poster was pointing out the skewed nature of an actual stat. You simply imagined JPL's wins (stat). You might now realize I am pointing out your inconsistency in the way you criticize the presentation of statistics.
"Allegedly"?? Now you're referring to your posts as "alleged"? Not even a straight up denial?
A new low!
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More likely the "Woods should be moved to center" crowd. Then Calloway would be one of the candidates to move into his vacated right guard spot.
But anyways, early indications are that the Bills, while it was stated that they drafted Calloway to play guard…liked what they've seen from him so far and are still keeping him in play as a right tackle. It appears that they like him even better in person than they did on game tape
Why isn't Woods at center?
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Nice reading comprehension. No doc, they're the same type of owner and embody what's becoming wrong with the NFL. And the Cowboys have been a .500 club this decade despite all the money Jones spends, while Snyder's teams has been just as bad. As for the SB wins, hell anyone, even Snyder, could have won a SB with the talent the Cowboys amassed thanks to having the 1st pick in each round in 1988 and 1999, plus the 2 extra 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders they got from the Herschel Walker trade. Jones admitted as much (when he was high on the hooch) the year before he fired Jimmy Johnson, although Jones showed himself when he claimed he was responsible for all of it.
No, you said what you said. You pointed out that, unlike Jones, Snyder didn't inherit the worst team in the league, nor did he make a great trade deal. I agree. Those are a few reasons they are not alike. The others are the SBs and the bold but brilliant hiring of Jimmy Johnson--probably the best x's and o's coach at the time. Also, amassing talent with top draft picks is not an easy task. If simply having top picks were meaningful, Detroit would have the 3 SBs by now. Also, Snyder didn't put down $600+ million of his own money to build his team's stadium. Jones has a big mouth but he is certainly putting his money where his mouth is by risking such a fortune.
The Cowboys are above .500 for for the decade (why sample only ten years?--oh, wait, nevermind) and they have been to the playoffs 3 times in thapast 4 years and are looking pretty solid right now. Sure they only won one playoff game, but Jerry would show you his 3 rings if you pointed that out.
As SJB points out, your comparison of Snyder and Jones is factually in error. It's simply a poorly thought out comment based on some pop cliche you reached for and betrays your personal bias.
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Wait, your "obvious conclusion" is that Buffalo is/was SUCH a booming market, that Ralph couldn't find another city to move the team and "rake in the millions?" LOL! I guess that all the teams that had moved or been created in the past 30 years were like the 8th season of Dallas: a dream. Does this even NEED a rebuttal?
It does. Expansion teams are that, not moved teams. And exactly where was Ralph going to put the team? What community was he in discussions with and what facility was waiting or proposed for him? What city was going to offer him the financial arrangement he has in Buffalo--with a low overhead named after him that sells out the vast majority of its games no matter the team performance? Maybe he could have moved to Jacksonville? Are they "raking in the millions" there? Cleveland?
Tell me why it would have made financial sense for a guy like Ralph to risk huge sums of money when he has a sure thing in Buffalo? Buffalo has been a booming market for NFL football for many years--it has proven recession proof. How is it possible you don't realize this?
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25% of those yards came in 1 game. 13% came in one play.
He's not that good anymore and showed nothing last year. No effort. Bad hands.
Oddly, he wasn't a "bad guy" last year. Just a bad player.
Oh--ouch!
Wait for it........
Ah, the old "take away X play/game and..." Sorry, doesn't work that way. No player averages exactly their season average/play, whether it be a RB, WR, TE, etc.....There it is!!
Doesn't work that way, doc? Does it work like the way JPL would have won all those games he didn't play in? Like that?
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Jamrcus shouldn't feel bad--there's a pipeline directly to the Raiders for UFL QBs!
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Keep on telling yourself that one, doc. Maybe someday you'll convince someone besides yourself.
See the post above mine. He wasn't just successful with his NFL business venture.
Oh, doctor---this one won't die. Over and over this we have gone. There was no where to move to and no earthly reason to move, given the better-than-Madoff annual return Ralph gets on his $25,000 investement right there in Buffalo. You can pretend there were any number of viable moving spots (and you certainly have!), but he knew there was no other sane option than to stay put and rake in the millions (regardless of football success). You've never come up with a cogent rebuttal to this very obvious conclusion.
As for Ralph's "other ventures"--they were funded by the money from his father's insurance company. It's hard to find much info on "Ralph Wilson Industries" but it's something he was making some money with maybe 30 0r 40 years ago. The insurance agency that bears his name is a local operation. The vast majority of his wealth comes from owning the Bills, or, the as Wilsons call it form their permanent home in the State of Michigan, "the Buffalo Mint".
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Actually, I played sports and put those nerds in toilet bowls.
It's jsut funny when people criticize those who are fair more successful than them. It seems like jealous. Ralph is a millionaire, have won 2 AFL championships, went to 4 SBs, keep a franchise in the 2nd smallest market i nthe NFL despite the fact he could mae a TON more money elsewhere, was elected to the HOF by football writers, but he is a loser? That doesn't sound silly to you?Look, you've got to let that one go--it doesn't help your argument...mainly because it's just not true.
Ralph made one great decision in his lifetime that has paid him unimaginablefinancial dividends and he he kept the exact same course for 50 years.
Doesn't make him a great businessman though.
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Look, Flutie was a better QB overall than Rob Johnson. But that doesn't mean Johnson had zero good performances. Why do you have to insist that? This is what I mean by mythology.
In that final game of the season against the Colts, who were 13-2 at that time, and fighting Jacksonville for home field in the playoffs, in a game that the Colts played their first stringers including Peyton Manning until they were hopelessly behind in the second half, Johnson went 24/32 for 287 yards passing, 2 TDs, no ints, and ran 7 times for 36 yards. 323 yards of total offense. The Bills won 31-7.
Flutie did not put up numbers like that in the entire season. The Bills had averaged 19 points a game under Flutie all season, 13 points per game over the previous five games. Maybe it was a mistake, but was it incomprehensible that Phillips should start Johnson in the playoffs under those circumstances?
Basing an assessment of Rob Johnson on one game is what led the Bills to that monumental disaster of a decision to trade for him in the first place. Ralph called him "a Monet". He certainly wasn't "money".
Even questioning whether we would have beaten the Greatest Show on Turf with RJ's 100 yards (or 200--pick a number) is evidence of a complete disconnect with reality.
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The Bills consistently play in sub-freezing temperatures?
That would be true if we consistently played in home playoff games. Otherwise, not really.
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I hope Brohm wins. I like QBs with a cannon arm.
Big fan of Kyle Boller and Jeff George?
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Snyder spends money like Jones does. Most people would say that Snyder "wants to win" as well. And both owners would be happier if they could outspend everyone. Snyder however didn't inherit the worst team in the league, the Skins weren't the worst team in the league his first year owning them (i.e, getting the 1st overall pick 2 years in a row), and he didn't find someone as idiotic as Mike Lynn to trade with.
This is your comeback?? Lame!
You think Jones simply wants to outspend everyone else? That would make him happier than he is when winning SBs?? WTF? That's another classic doc borrowed cliche, ignorant of reality.
Yet you do seem to go on and make the argument that Snyder and Jones were actually nothing alike. So what point were you struggling to make? Oh yeah, that Jones spends a lot of money on his team (3 SBs, massive new stadium), and is just like Snyder.
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I never claimed that pissing on a golf course equates to a sex crime. My claim is that allowing a woman to see his penis in lieu of his past equates to being a complete & utter moron...that's all. And I'll tell you where "estimating" falls short...the failure of golf course designers thinking rest rooms would not be needed in strategic locations throughout a golf course. If you're gonna spend 25 mil for a golf course, for cryin' out loud, cough up another half mil & solve this obvious problem. Can you imagine going to Epcot & having to hold it until you got back to the turnstiles? I confess to this...if it was a non predator in the same situation, I would not be siding with the lady. But you can take this to the bank, the majority of Steeler fans in these parts have had enuf of the the whole "Big Ben" thing. They want the Steelers to succeed without without him.
He's taking a leak in the cover of the foliage, not in the middle of the green! He's not flashing a woman. Are you absolutely for real??? Is he supposed to piss his pants becuse you think he's a predator? Grow up.
This statement is not correct. Club/course is directly across from Murifield Village (Jack's course). The residents there pretty much feel that they are equivalent.That's nice. I doubt the members of Muirfield Village would think that the Country Club of Muirfield is an equal establishment. And the latter certainly is not in a league with Oak Hill.
One writer thinks T.O. is washed up
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Well then why is it that he still doesn't have a job? Surely the GMs aren't influenced by some made up stories in the press....
He wants too much money? How can that be? I doubt he wants more than the 6.5 mil the Bills paid him last year--and that was a bargain right? For all the relevance he brings?
What was your position on this one again?