The_Dude
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Dude....they do tend to get drafted later in the first round I will grant you that.....I absolutely thought Aaron Rogers was a developmental QB. Lets keep in mind here that Kolb was here that first year and got hurt. My stance is that Kolb was supposed to be the starter last year and it didnt work out....but that train has left the station.
QB woes wont go away by starting a backup QB and sit the 1st round pick when the team is 2-1.....that is the definition of insane. And yes I do think Orton is a decent QB.....but you just dont do that.
John, buddy, think about what you're saying. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say cause it doesn't really make sense.
Basically you're validating EJs selection because of Rogers. Rogers slid big tiiiime.
Then what you're saying is because Kolb got injured I have to grant excess patience to EJ. No. And that doesn't make sense. I don't care about the 'master plan'.
Then you're missing the biggest point. It's do or die for the Doug's. They don't want to get fired. EJ looks like a bust. Everybody thinks so except for a faction of Bills fans. But to everybody else EJ is a joke. And they're right. Being that the the Doug's have to win NOW who's their best shot at survival? EJ or Orton? What would you do if you were them? Would you risk your career on EJs shoulders? I doubt it.
And yeah, I've seen enough to know the guy doesn't have it. EJ is what he was on Sunday. He'll have a great play like that dance party he had escaping pressure before his pass to Chandler. Then he's the guy who throws out of bounds from the end zone... That's what he is. Inconsistent.
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You absolutely do draft projects in the 1st round and it happens all the time.
OMG....is this really a retort?
And you cant throw out prior QBs in EJ's face......especially ones that we had no shot at. Every situation is different.
GMs that draft project QBs that are regarded as mid round talent in the first round get fired. You DONT do it. If you want to insist upon it's sound reason then that says all sorts of things about you.
John, I get it. I want our QB woes to be over too. But they're not!
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I agree that the notion of drafting a project in Round 1 is stupid.
Curious if everyone can agree upon that unless EJ is markedly improved by the end of this season that he will not be the starter here next season.
Unless he improves quickly I see Orton starting sooner rather than later.
If the Dougs don't make the playoffs then they're done. Pegula will want to bring in his own guys anyways...the Dougs are literally on the hot seat. There's no time to 'develop' a QB...They HAVE to win now.
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"Cam Newton did"
Cam Newton has showed more then his fair share of mistakes since he has been in the league......and take a look at that team......strong defense......a stable of running backs.....christ it almost looks like US. And by the way putting the game on Cams shoulders has not shown to be getting the job done. For christ sake his veteran backup comes in and moves that team this year.
RGIII......are we really going to throw RGIII into this equation? The guy cant stay healthy.....and once again a situation where his backup has now come in and probably wont relinquish that starting role.....RGIII is probably on the trading block.
And then their is Andrew Luck......the number 1 overall pick that the colts completely tanked a season to get to.....and EJ Manuel a mid 1st round pick is supposed to be held to that standard......
I dont understand why YOU dont understand that this is obviously the team scheme....they know Manuel is a project with huge upside so all they want him to do right now is not LOSE games....that is not a knock on EJ Manuel the player that is what the bills are doing ON PURPOSE. Take a look at Gino last night.....yeah he slings it......to the other team. Gino makes poor decisions. The jets are backing him up with a very good defense and he just throws the ball to the other team for losses. Keep in mind that EJ BEAT the team last night that GINO lost to. And they did it by protecting the football and not losing the turnover ratio.
I knew it was a matter of time before you started beating the "lets play Orton" drum......even though the team is 2-1 and EJ has actually shown obvious improvement from last year you want to sit him and bring in a very good backup (average starter) and kill any progress that EJ Manuel has made.
This team needs to think longer term then that.....they dont need a few wins now so they can be right back where they started next year. They need to groom this young QB and actually have a VIABLE starter next year (hopefully we can hang onto Orton as a backup)....they need EJ to CONTINUE to progress just like he has been. One bad game does not take away from the fact that EJ is better at his deep throws....better at his sideline throws....is making better decisions....is not making taking stupid hits that would knock him out of the game and derail his season...is throwing receivers open.......basically....EJ Manuel over the course of 3 games has shown to be a better quarterback then last year.
Improvement of a QB is not based on a flow chart that shows the exact improvement week to week.....it has hills and valleys. last week was a valley......the 1st two weeks were hills. Just because he isnt slinging the rock all over the field does not mean that he hasnt shown obvious improvement.
Ok...not to be rude but I quit reading after you started out the way you did. You can't validate EJ by tearing down the accomplishments of first round QBs preceding him.
Moving on, we'd all be on the EJ bandwagon if he showed as much as Andy Dalton did his rookie year but I suppose you'll say I'm being unreasonable there too.
And to the 'EJ was a project' bs...you DONT draft projects in the first round. Never.
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He doesn't have to take a game over, nor should it be expected. There are a handful of NFL QBs who can and none of them displayed an ability to do so after 13 career starts. Stop being unrealistic.
I disagree. Cam Newton did. Andrew Luck did. RGIII did. In the past 10 years we've seen QBs do it. We've also seen some like Roethlisberger take time to develop with a solid team around them. But Roethlisberger showed promise in ways EJ hasn't.
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On that one, toche! But again, I'm not wallowing in our not drafting Geno...but between the two I see Geno as a guy who tries to win and EJ as a guy who tries to not lose.
How on earth do the Bills have two wins? The running game must be dominating? Nope. In weeks one and two the Bills moved the ball primarily on the strength of EJ and the passing game. What games have you been watching?
I believe that the first couple wins are a result of talent. So we played a combination of good special teams, defense, and offense. The thing is we had an element of surprise...teams the Bears and Dolphins weren't sure how we'd use Sammy... They played cautious, it cost them. Now certainly EJ played good enough for us to win those two games -- but I see teams playing 8 in the box from here on out till EJ can take a game over -- and it's my opinion that EJ can't take a game over.
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Yeah that pick 6 on a screen pass and a jump pass to a covered receiver that cost his team 14 points in a 7 point game is my kind of QB
EJ has his faults but lets not act like Geno is any better
I'm not pounding the table stating that Geno is far and away better than EJ, though I do believe there is a case to be made that Geno is better...what Im saying is that if we're gonna have a bad QB I prefer one that at least attempts to win...not one that throws a safety from his endzone to avoid getting hit.
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Um, Derek Anderson is #1 in total QBR...this tells me all I need to know about the statistic.
When I can see guys like Andy Dalton (3-0 with 1 turnover), Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, and Cam Newton (all of whom are 2-1) in the low 20's and guys like Anderson, Carson Palmer (who had a brutal week 1), Drew Stanton (and his 53% competions), and Brian Hoyer (who's 1-2 with 2 divisional losses) in the top 12, I feel like I can tell that this is a limited analytical tool.
We're 3 games into the season...Anderson had a good game and that's why he is where he is. If you look at previous years this tool is pretty accurate.
No, no. It proves "EJ sucks bro" so it is the end all be all. We should just fold the rest of the season, no sense in playing cause EJ suckzzzzzzzz.
No, it means we should switch to Orton...
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Just so you know......you might have been playing nice in the beginning but your posts are getting worse and worse and everyone can see it.......
So you speak for everyone now?! Congratulations. That's an awesome responsibility.
Total QBR Rankings:
#20 - Ryan Fitpatrick....(washed up)
#31 - Geno Smith......(sucks)
#32 - EJ Manuel......( not his fault, give him a couple more years )
Haha
I really just looked into the QBR thing... It's not perfect but it's a lot better than what we had.
One of the things it tells if you go back is that Orton is a solid middle of the pack QB...and it shows EJ is just awful... To me, I firmly believe that Orton could get this team to 9-10 wins and we need to win this year.
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K maybe not never but you have to admit he throws most passes either high or they flutter. I watched Can Newton throw a laser to Kelvin Benjamin last night and would love to see EJ do that more. I want to see him take command and not just try not to make mistakes.
I would love to see EJ throw a pass that makes him worthy to be Cam Newtons water boy.
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Where's my Geno smith crowd at ? Pick city. Turnover machine.
It's funny you should mention Geno because while he is very much unproven and seemingly more likely to throw a game away I prefer his style to EJs. EJ is the 'I'm gonna try to not lose the game' guy whereas Geno is the 'everything be damned, I'm gonna try and win' kind of guy.
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Second in 1990, 91, 92, and 94, behind Reed (and ahead of Lofton in 90-92).
And no...he never led, but you're the dumbass who was bitching that Fred Jackson was second in receptions.
We disagree. You don't like my point...and so I'm a "dumbass"? Clever one you are.
First, as one who doesn't put great emphasis on stats I'm not apt to look up stats from two decades ago.
Second, Fred is currently leading in receptions..what I said is that he's second in total receiving yards.
Learn to discuss with others politely I recommend. There's no need for all that. And it's also cowardly. Calling a man a dumbass is something that seems to only happen on the internet. I've never been called that when discussing sports in person. Why must everyone take such offense to disagreements on the interenet? You're ridiculous.
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Then perhaps you should stop saying you don't care about stats and rely only on "your eye".
Don't get over analytical about a couple posts. 'Sides, we've already been through this.
I did misspeak. I care not for stats but a combination of quantitative and qualitative analysis with preference leaning towards qualitative.
In the parts where dude hails from, let's just say they've worn out many a set of knee pads servicing the chosen one.
It truly is out of control there. I still skim it occasionally. Anybody who dares question the sanctity of #3 is chastised and public ally ridiculed. And if they get a little vocal they get banned. I'm much happier here in a place where thinking is criticized.
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They can, in context. Ignoring stats and only relying on your "eye" is just as incomplete of an analysis as only looking at stats. A complete and competent analysis takes quantitative and qualitative evidence into consideration.
I agree.
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Dude......found a place to spew this after getting kicked off the official bills website I see.
Not believing in EJ doesn't make somebody a bad person or a bad fan. And I was banned for the phrase "EJ apologist" that I directed to nobody. WYO is out of control.
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Ummm, hate to break it to you but Thurman Thomas is the #3 in receptions in Bills history all time. 5th in yards.
Let that sink in for a second.
#JimKellySucks #Hashtag
Dude, really? And did Thurman ever lead in receptions during a season?
That bad? Wow. Hadn't seen those stats. I don't get why people see potnential in EJ.
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I see...so not only are we going to ignore wins and losses, we're going to place more emphasis on week 3 than on anything else that's happened? That's very, very convenient.
Davis has 3 TDs on the season (all of which came against an all-time bad D) and 3 turnovers and a 1-1 record as a starter (sure, let's throw out week 1 since apparently we cannot expect him to come in prepared like any other NFL player). The Rams have played Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and Dallas (not a top-15 pass D among them).
EJ has 5 TDs on the season and 1 turnover with a 2-1 record as a starter. Buffalo has played Chicago and Miami (both of whom have top 10 passing defenses by the way--but I'm sure you already knew that based on your rigorous evaluation of the 2 QBs that lead you to your logical conclusion), and San Diego.
Seriously?
My point is that I believe, and I have many reasons to believe, that an UDFA is out playing our 1st QB. That's an issue. And it's not just me -- they're are fans from different teams who think Davis might be special and I cant think of any, outside of a few in Buffalo, that feel EJ could be a quality starter.
FRED JACKSON IS OUR 2ND LEADING RECEIVER!
Let that sink in... One of our RBs is our 2nd leading receivers. That must mean that we don't have good receivers...but we do. And if it weren't for Sammy's YACs last week then Fred would certainly be our leading receiver.
My good people, EJ is a really nice guy...but he's not a good QB and he'll never be a good QB. Again, that's just my opinion but I've ample reasons for thinking so.
Also, and I could be wrong because this was just with a quick glance, I believe we're the only team in the NFL who's leaking pass catcher in terms of receptions is a RB...
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What's the Rams' W-L record this season?
Points valid... But could you argue the Bills would be 2-1 if Davis were our starting QB? I think so.
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Riddle me this...
EJ Manuel has 12 plays of over 20 yards tying him for 4th in the League but he's at the bottom when it comes to yards per attempt... How? Why? The only answer I can come up with is check downs and being inaccurate. My eyes tell me that and I think those stats do as well.
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How so? He played one decent game that resulted in a loss.
The previous week he threw for 230 yards and zero TDs against one of the 3 worst teams in football.
In limited duty in week 1, he threw for 190 yards with zero TDs and an interception in a loss to Matt Cassel and the 1-2 Vikings.
Meanwhile, EJ has played 2 solid games (one on the road against a team that beat SF on the road at night, and one at home against a divisional opponent) and 1 stinker (against a team that beat the Superbowl champs the previous week).
So remind me how he's playing better than EJ? Must be the 1 decent game he played against a defense that was among the worst all-time units in the history of professional football last year.
Hyperbole can be fun, but sensible points are much more suitable for discussion IMO.
He has more yds than EJ. He has more yds per attempt. He has less experience. He is outperforming EJ and he shouldn't be. EJ is a 1st round pick, Davis is a UDFA... And as for the first game, he was a back up who had to come in on almost no reps during the week... He's impressing and EJ isn't,
Three picks yesterday against a horrible NYG team.
Ive seen the Giants stumble out of the gate and win the super bowl. I don't know they're a bad team.
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I honestly gave up on EJ last year...
I think the Dougs can sustain another bad EJ performance but not two more in a row...that'll be time to close the curtain.
And by the way, that Fitz guy who sucked so bad that we had to get rid of him..he has 12 less attempts, 21 more yards, and 1 more TD. Not Herculean, but still more...
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Good post.
Completion percentage is a potentially very misleading stat. It's easy for a QB to inflate his completion percentage with lots of short dump-off passes. One of the reasons that the quarterback rating system is useless is because it takes completion percentage into account. Kelly Holcomb--a guy not afraid to dump the ball off short--has a nearly identical career quarterback rating as John Elway. Quarterback rating is a broken stat!
Total Quarterback Rating--or QBR--is a much better, more accurate way of assessing a quarterback's performance. I'm gradually coming to believe it's even better than yards per attempt. (Though either QBR or yards per attempt are much better stats than quarterback rating.)
Manuel's performance against the Chargers represented the second-worst QBR of his career. I expect his QBR for the rest of the season to be closer to 42 (his rookie year average) than to 8.4 (his QBR against the Chargers).
Thank you, Sir.
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Hmmm, let us not consider the caliber of the Cowboys' D vs. the Chargers' D. Nope, nothing to think about there.
Doesn't change the fact that Davis is making plays and playing better than EJ.
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Who?
Exactly. Who?! Who is an undrafted FA QB and he's handily outplaying EJ.
To all of the EJ bashers
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Good points. But they're not true. Bree's would have been a sure fire top 15 pick if he were 2 inches taller.
And I don't remember Rogers being a project. He was a guy that slid.
And I did say never. Hyperbole. I use it and it's not a crime.