thurst44

While the o-line was atrocious the last two games, I'm not sure how you could watch this game and not be even more inclined to want to get someone like Mack? We were getting zero pressure on the QB leading to our best aspect (the secondary) being picked apart. Also, we can fix two parts at once :). And, yes, I know you were just saying "forget Mack" as an expression, but Hap above makes a good point: it's unlikely anyone is parting with someone at this point. The best bet may be taking a shot on someone off the scrap heap (Joeckel or somebody), trying different combos (the mythic Teller, who i'd loved to have seen more of) or hoping that there is vast improvement in the next two weeks. Many teams have looked terrible in the pre-season...the Eagles lost 5-0 to the Browns for their third loss. It's not impossible that they play better in two weeks.

Funny, well, I always feel a bit sad for the eternal pessimist fans, always miserable, never appreciating the moment. Srsly, don't feel bad for "us"...we'll be ok (and maybe i should let go of caring whether fans are pointlessly negative and over-the-top too). Frankly, the "letdown" is just part of being a fan. As it stands, we're a game above .500 over the past four years, so on gameday, optimists and pessimists are about equally right. For seasons, pessimists are generally going to win as a majority of teams don't make the playoffs each year, and 31/32 don't win the Super Bowl.

He didn't do anything as last year's starter to throw him off the roster He's hardly competing for a spot. Shady's not done much; are you angling to throw him off the roster? He's not lived up to his contract, but he's been a solid, consistent player over the past 3 years, and if the O-Line is as bad as it looks, they'll be happy to have a veteran starter tight end outlet.

Yeah, I'm pretty much endlessly optimistic, but other than I'm not as down on Allen or Clay as others, there's not much good to take away from this game. Running game looked good. Tremaine Edmunds looked like he made some progress in his reads. Levi Wallace had a few great special teams plays. Barring something miraculous, it's hard to see a good start. However, until the games mean something, who really knows?

Probably O'Leary. The Clay hatred today seems a bit over-the-top to me.

And rushing, for all that's worth.

Never mind my Adam Redmond post. Sigh...

Well, that would be ridiculous for a 5th round draft pick who has looked good in camp and the games from all we've heard. Hopefully you're not really "the final word"

Honestly, it didn't seem clear to me at all. That O-Line play was brutal. However, even having said that, I'd rather he win the job outright, and whether he ever had a chance today or not, he' probably shouldn't start.

Goal line stand! Woo hoo! Sigh....

Probably not, and likely he's not ready either, but it would have been cool to see him try with the first team.

Oh geez. Because people are saying maybe not discounting a rookie QB because of a pre-season game where the o-line played about as poorly as possible? It's not saying a team can do no wrong. FWIW, I howled with frustration after the Allen pick, but until today he's looked like a leader who deserved a chance to start from Day 1, and frankly I just didn't see anything to evaluate either way (it's hard to tell whether he was hesitant b/c he had no one to throw to or because he was not reading the defense well. Right now, I'm not overly confident about any QB as a starter and only real hope is that they had a bad day and somehow adjust for the season. I'm generally pretty positive, but if the last two weeks are any indication: yes, it will be a pretty rough start to the season. However, a lot of teams had very bad game 3s, so personally I'm gonna focus on my fantasy draft, manage my expectations and see what happens against the Ravens.

Maybe give Adam Redmond some practice with the 1s too...I'd try anything at this point.

I hear you, but I'd be curious to see what close analysis shows, since the announcers were saying that the receivers were not getting separation. However, I would say that if anyone won the competition, it's Peterman. I don't feel overly confident about that, but good on him for his play in the snow game and this pre-season.

You know, I'll wait for someone like Cover1's analysis. I hated the Allen pick, but he's done a lot of hopeful things since he got here and calling him out for a first half when he was on the run on almost every play is a bit over the top. Frankly, he looked about as good as he possibly could. Maybe Tyrod would have run away from them. I loved Tyrod, but he had some truly moribund outings last year. My main concern is the line and hopefully they can do some things to adjust that.

Levi Wallace looks like he'll make the team on special teams alone.

Well, how about wait until they look bad in the regular season before nicking them?

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd go Allen. He might benefit from the adversity and put up some numbers in the second half. He just doesn't seem like he'd be mentally broken, and he's the most elusive of the 3. But he didn't win the job, so I'm open for whatever as a fan. Also, RAFAEL BUSH!!!! (better runner than the other Bush )

He's got to be near the pre-season lead for rushing yards.

He's looking good, but it doesn't hurt that the o-line is suddenly blocking well. Is the Bengals first team still in?

Ok, way to miss the point, but yes they looked bad in the first half. My point was it's possible to look bad in the 3rd game and still be ok. Hopefully, we do some thing abut the offensive line and Murphy and Kyle Williams are ready for Game 1.

I'd say oddly he won the starting job b/c he might be the only one who won't' get killed. Also, he seems like the type who will learn from the adversity. Well, McDermott did say he wanted to see how the team adjusts after the first half. This is going to have to be one hell of an adjustment.

Cold comfort, but fwiw, the Patriots looked pretty bad in game 3. This is brutal though. We are looking like most people say we are. At this point, I'd like to see Teller get a shot somehow with 1s and maybe bring in Joeckel or some last minute free agent and see what they can do.

They did show the receivers not getting any separation, fwiw

Really, they have to bring in Teller at this point. Give him a shot to see if he's ready.