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You actually haven't shown you can play in this league when you have 500 career yards + did nothing except get hurt when you had the chance to start + earned a 4 game suspension + showed up to camp so fat you can't even practice.
The Bills have better places to invest their time, energy and money when it comes to running backs.
Obviously the Bills agree they have better places to invest their time, energy, and money or they wouldn't have cut him. But in cutting him, they are cutting a player in whom they invested a draft pick (albeit a low round one) and a season of development. All I'm saying is the stated "too fat to practice" 1 week of "didn't perform well" doesn't seem like enough reason to toss that investment.
It's kind of
to describe a player who starts 11 games for 5.6 ypa, a 78.6% catch/target and scores 9 TDs as "did nothing except get hurt when you have the chance to start". Had he shown he was a long-term star or a starter, or a guy you can build around, No. But he did show he could play and contribute in the league, and that really shouldn't be questioned by anyone knowledgeable in the game.FWIW Bob Papa (called the game Sat for the Giants) was on Sirius NFL Radio this morning and said he heard there were other serious "immaturity issues" the team was fed up with.
So much is being made of the weight, I wouldn't be surprised if that was just the tip of the iceberg and that there were other things they found out with regard to drug use and/or other serious issues that they figured he wouldn't get past in the short term (or maybe even get nailed for by the league)
Sal just said on WGR : trust issues between player and organization, player to player, locker room issues, deep personal issues. He was a different person this year and players did not trust him. It was a culture move and they didn't want to deal with him anymore. The weight gain and inability to perform at the level expected just made it easier.
Both of these views make a lot more sense to me. If the players didn't trust him and there were locker room issues and coaching issues (lack of focus/effort?) on top of the weight and the suspension, that would be reason to cut their losses.
I suppose we'll never know, but I do tend to believe there must have been some final precipitating event that put him "over the top" with management. I have believed this about Lynch and Bryce Brown as well, but nothing has ever come out.
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You do realize Lacy had a very poor year and was benched as starter later in the season.
Yes, absolutely I do. My point is the Pack worked Lacy in preseason last year then played him, at the weight where we just can't let Karlos work. I'm not saying Lacy did well at that weight, just pointing out one team can keep, practice, and play a guy at that weight (because he had a record of success with them) while we have to get out the snippers immediately, only a few days after telling the world "we won't give up on him"
Maybe Lacy's head was in it while Karlos was all "I just don't care". Or maybe there's more to it.
Maybe because they are two different people and not robots off an assembly line. Eddie Lacy was a dominant college back coming off back to back 1100+ yard seasons for GB when he come in overweight last year; not a guy who could never manage to stay in his college team's starting lineup, fell to the fifth round, got hurt halfway through his rookie year and earned himself a 4 game suspension. Really, it's a pretty poor comparison.
Not to mention the fact that Lacy looked like crap for much of last year at 260 and received a ton of heat for it, so that's not exactly a blueprint for success with lesser running backs.
All the above is true, but I'm not sure it's relevant, except the "back to back 1100+ seasons". Lacy is the bell-cow for the Pack's run game, Williams is the reliever, so less important to the team. But Williams played well and contributed to the Bills last year, and IMO what a guy did in college and where he was drafted is and should be less relevant to a team once he's shown he can play in the league.
The Pack stuck with Lacy and early indicators are he got his sh** together so it paid off. The point I'm making is the Bills were all unfazed stick with Williams, "not giving up" after the suspension and weight. And there doesn't seem to be any particular driver - no need to cut down the roster. The timing is just strange to me to make it a performance issue. If you're not giving up on the guy why not change his eating regimen, put him on a different training program, and let him stick around and try to shape up?
It was only a 5th round pick, but a draft pick is an investment, and we did invest in him both a pick and coaching time/training. Why burn our investment at this point, if it's truly a performance issue and not due to a new infraction/stupidity?
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How is it weird timing? He came in grossly overweight - which is a bigger problem than it seems. Even in Hard Knocks, Jeff Fisher said this is not the NFL of yesteryear where training camp was just running these guys to death and they would hit and hit and hit. Now it's a different approach with an emphasis on mechanics and learning. The athlete is required to come already in shape. That means weight, strength and conditioning. To be 32 lbs over your playing weight is a nightmare because you're not going to lose it in practice. It's no time to be on a diet because the days are short on top of all the other responsibilities.
It was an up hill climb and they gave him a shot. What else could they do? The issue is that they have to get ready to play and reps are of the essence and can't be given to an overweight player, not earning them and that actually can't play for you until October 3rd. The Bills knew it was an issue an immediately put him with the trainers because it was critical that he do something about the weight immediately - he didn't do it. They had little choice.
Well, for a contrasting viewpoint to the several posts taking this view.....consider Bready Lazy, I mean Eddie Lacy. I believe he acknowledged that he played at 260 lbs last year. He's listed by the Pack at 234. So he showed up essentially at the same weight as Karlos. Yet he had a good preseason, and they kept him on the roster all season, amidst mounting criticism for his performance, It wasn't until the end of the season that the pack gave a publicized ultimatum to Lacy to "shape up or ship out".
Allegedly during the off-season, Lacy lost 15-18 lbs, not the 26 lbs he needed to get to that listed weight. Some people feel he may not have lost much weight at all. But, he's apparently shaped up through a rigorous off-season program and is looking good. So he's still there, "lucky tummy" and all.
I would think that a professional-quality trainer could put a lot of fitness into a guy in 7-8 weeks. And I'd like to understand why, if Bready Lazy can take carries for the Pack at 260+, KrayKray Karlos can not?
I tend to think there's more to the story than just "performance" or "information". But that's just me.
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Is it just me, or when you hear "Bills Run Deep" do you think of other things that run deep, as in underground, like...sewers?
I love this team, I swear, I'm just worn out
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Which one?
Who's on first?
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My understanding of Karlos Williams' cut: Was performance, not discipline. Thanks to his weight, he was behind McCoy, J. Williams, Bush, etc
The timing just seems weird for that. There's no roster pressure currently, so unless they're looking to sign someone at another position why not carry him through training camp? Players get hurt, don't fulfil their promise, etc etc you've got someone there who knows the system.
The timing makes it seem more like an Ariana Grande move - "I should be wiser and realize that I've got....one less problem without you"
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Wrapped his car around the tree in front of the Mongolian Buffet?
Did it crush his cell phone?
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I live in Katy Texas and my wife works for the district. What they do differently here is that all the high schools in the district share the stadium. It really is nice for all the schools to be able to play in a nice facility. Besides....everything is bigger in texas!
I looked at an article about the original bond proposal passing and it appears to be shared by only 3 high schools with total enrollment of about 7,000.
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Bell appealed and had his lowered to 3 games. Is there any reason to not think that Dareus could do the exact same thing?
Is there any reason to think Dareus can make any kind of legit case for procedural problems with the test he missed?
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My 3 #Bills thoughts lead w a reminder for team apologists about the Marcell Dareus suspension. NEW at BN Blitz: https://t.co/n1lfu323Y7
1. One of the more annoying aspects of Marcell Dareus' suspension is the discussion it has prompted -- mostly among Buffalo Bills apologists wanting someone else to blame -- about NFL rules prohibiting players from using marijuana being outdated.
2. As details emerge about the contract extension Tyrod Taylor signed with the Bills last week, it's clear the team did an excellent job of minimizing its risk while finding out whether it truly has a long-term answer at quarterback.
3. It was good to see Cardale Jones get plenty of work with the second-team offense during end-of-game two-minute work in Wednesday's practice.
Last man standing: Washington only #Bills top-3 draft pick carrying on w efforts to improve D. NEW at BN Blitz: https://t.co/5uXFCqdqio
Today’s practice: 6 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Next practice: 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Monday.
I think Carrucci is getting it mixed in Point #1. It's quite possible, and indeed it's quite likely, that most people think Dareus is an idiot and is fully to blame for his suspension - those are the rules and everyone must follow them - AND, simultaneously, may think that the NFL's rules on marijuana are outdated.
I'm not quite sure how the Bills are to blame for Dareus violation of NFL rules.
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Even 18 seems lenient for 16 women?
It does indeed. Even worse, the prosecutor asked for 9 years (10 - credit for 1 year served already).
The judge rejected the deal, saying it was too lenient, and gave him, so it says, within a few months of the maximum (!!!!!)
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"Until they change the rules, we have to abide by them."
I think that's a Bush League comment. I think it's something that a terribly weak leader says. You can officially count me in the, "I can't wait till Rex Ryan gets the !@#$ out of here," camp.
I can't even wrap my mind around what this is supposed to mean. It's weak leadership to support rules?
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Good arguments. The Pharma company argument is a facade. They are not spending time on this issue. Unless it is a long acting designer medicine, opioids are all generic and cheap. Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, Darvocet, and so on are all old meds filled primarily by generic companies for nothing. There's no lobby from generic companies like Teva are spending a dime to keep marijuana illegal.
I personally could care less of these guys smoke weed. I do think they are idiots who as an example Dareus just lost $3.5 mil for smoking dope. He won't make this kind hey forever. I would never put myself at risk for losing a dime because of off field issues. Besides, he basically n ends to be clean for about 35 days prior to the first test so basically stay clean for a couple of months.
It's his own fault. I've read so many posts marijuana is not a gateway drug, is not addictive and thus can stop. Well, stupid, stop for two months out of the year.
I have little compassion and patience for these idiotic decisions by the players.
On Pharma: exactly correct.
On Dareus: I agree he's an idiot and it's his fault, but it's my understanding he was in the substance abuse program due to his arrest on spice/drug paraphenalia which I believe means testing every 10 days. I'm not clear on if it's year round or only during preseason and season, but in any case it's not just a couple months.
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My connections to police are chiefs and those that manage the budget and I can tell you for a fact that this is not true, for the most part. It's not like a police department is a company trying to grow their revenues year in and year out. They are a public service provide to and paid for by the people. Their main concern is keeping people safe, not how to maximize their budgets. If they could put resources to things that actually matter and are of real safety concerns instead of MJ, they would gladly do it. Most departments oppose recreational pot because it is illegal (state most of the time and fed all the time) and it is their duty to uphold the law. Also, they oppose it because of driving under the influence reasons and the safety concerns of that.
Not saying that pharma's are responsible for making it illegal or how it's prosecuted (especially minimum sentencing rules), I'm saying they are one of the main reasons, if not the only reason, that it remains illegal.
It probably doesn't belong here, so I'll just say that I disagree, on both points.
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There is a legit reason to risk it, it offers an alternative to powerful and much more addictive prescription pain medications. Some (not all for sure, but some) players use it because prescription pain killers are flat out dangerous to use at the levels these people need to use them on a daily basis. On the other hand, you could smoke a little weed, not become physically addicted and cause minimal (if any) additional harm to your body.
The ONLY reason it is still illegal is because giant pharma lobby big time to keep it that way so they can keep patients addicted to their artificially created medications instead of someone growing their own medication. The gov't is bought and paid for. It's that simple.
I agree with your point about the legit reasons some players risk it
I know it's fashionable to blame "big pharma" for many things, but I think it's probably misplaced in this case. Look a bit deeper into the history of criminalizing marijuana and prosecuting marijuana cases though.
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I get the public image part but when you're suspending guys for 4+ games for smoking weed while suspending guys for 1-2 games for domestic violence, you've got your priorities wrong.
A point. A good point.
Why risk it? If the banned list had on it bananas, waffles, and milk, then don't eat bananas, waffles, and milk.
These pro athletes are supposedly so self-disciplined With their training; they need to be disciplined about following the rules too.
I take your valid point about needing to follow the rules the league has established
The difference between banning bananas, waffles, and milk and banning is that they don't offer the pain relief that marijuana does, which is why at least some of the players risk it. And it's really not much of a risk UNTIL the guys are in the drug program being tested 10x a month.
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He has good football instincts. He's a gamer. He stands tall and sees the field (he always has). Cardale isn't too accurate but he can do everything on the football field.
Yeah he needs some time but he's very decisive. I've seen every snap he's ever taken in a game and the next time that he gets happy feet will be the first. He's really comfortable in the pocket. He just needs time to learn and to work on his accuracy.
As an OSU fan I've seen every snap that he's ever taken. I'm not basing my opinion on 1 preseason half. I'm basing it on his college career as wel. He didn't play a ton of games in college but that 10+ game sample size is enough for me to have a sense of his strengths and weaknesses. I'll bet Yolo would concur with my assessment of Cardale.
I'm sure the Bills would concur which is why they drafted him and will likely hold a roster spot for him. But it doesn't mean he's ready to start against NFL D's.
As all know, there are many QB who look promising in college who fail to transition.
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He handed them 21 points. No QB has ever handed a team 21 points and not been responsible for the loss (or at least a big reason for the loss).
This is true, but people put way too much emphasis on one game (both ways - good and bad) and it is to EJ's credit that he kept his head up and played much better in the 2nd half.
I've posted this before but I'll do it again for shucks and grins. QB who have had a game with a passer rating of zero
Check it out, you'll see that along with plenty o' duds, there are some solid QB and some quite elite QB talents on that list, some more than once (Bob Griese, Johnny Unitas, Jack Kemp, Terry Bradshaw 3x, Warren Moon, Archie, Eli, and Peyton Manning)
EJ is not the piece of cr*p some people make him out to be because of a terrible, horrible, no-good half against Jax. Cardale is not going to pass him on the depth chart on the basis of a promising pre-season game against scrubs on D.
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Crap. Should have read through the rest of the thread.
I'm now more concerned with Ragland and Lawson getting healthy and On the field. Missing TC and preseason is a much bigger deal for rookies than vets so I'm no longer counting on help from them this season. 2016 should now be about getting them right physically and getting them some NFL experience, if possible. Then they can come into next season healthy and ready to hit the ground running.
Lawson is on PUP, which is important. He must miss at least 6 weeks, but he can return without using our one IR designated-to-return allowance. That can be used for Ragland. Or he can be carried on the active roster if the team thinks he will only miss a few weeks of the regular season.
Good luck to the kid this week.
So now we know. I only hope they don't rush them back. I think one is more likely to be injured in football if one is slow to react or hesitant, and a rookie who missed training camp in Rex's complicated scheme sounds like a recipe for just that fraction of a second delay that will put them at a physical disadvantage. Take your time, be fully in condition and game-ready.
It is probably the right decision to have surgery now if there is any question of it being needed.
And of course, giving my heart reaction: crap crap crap crap
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Thanks. Does Aaron Rodgers have his head out of Olivias vagina this year?
Wait I thought he was gay?
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I heard the report that Ragland was walking around it but bandaged and no crutches
That didnt make sense to me....if you are trying to get swelling down on a injury you would have thought he would be on crutches and using the R.I.C.E. method care.....to get the swelling down to get the good MRI look.
I dont know what to make of that
Good question, John. Viewpoints differ, but there seems to be consensus that it's important to not immobilize the knee completely. So even in the 1st 24-48 hrs, the current idea is that periods of motion and muscle contraction under compression actually helps squeeze fluid from the joint. And one viewpoint is that after 24-48 hrs, ice is of questionable help. If his trainers are of a different viewpoint, the usual protocol is ice for 20 minutes then at least 20 minutes off, which might be when he's seen walking around.
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I have a feeling your that guy who looks forward to weddings not because you are happy for the couple but because you like taking over the dance floor as it is your only time to shine. Wearing the finest line of wedding garb Walmart had to offer in 1993. You are that weird uncle with a checkered past they have to invite out of obligation to their aunt.
And although you look like a sweaty mess of a person that you are you elicit enough laughter from the creeped out on lookers to give you a reason to roll your obese ass out of bed the next morning. But they are laughing at you, not with you. Am I close bud?
Now this is kind of funny. A complete ad hominem attack and totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, but actually funny
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There's really not much of substance going on to discuss, aside from contract stuff with Taylor and Gilmore. What we know for sure is that Ragland has a grade 2 ACL sprain, which is a partially torn ACL. That's pretty much it here. There's been a lot of misinformation and speculation too. I couldn't find anything reliable on whether or not his knee was "loose". That's a big deal because instability in the knee with a grade 2 injury points toward surgery. A stable knee would be unlikely to need it. There's nothing more that has been made public regarding the first opinion so we don't even know if it was conclusive in any way,mother than to confirm the partial tear. We will just have to wait and see. Or we can sit and speculate. It doesn't much matter. We should know the course soon.
One question for those who might know. If his knee has some slight instability, could the course of action be to rehab it and see if it responds before having surgery (if needed)? Having surgery now or in 6 weeks really would affect his availability this season and it'd give him a chance to possibly play.
Barley good questions. To the best of my knowledge, though, it's often a bit less clear cut - in a grade 2 sprain, there may be instability due in part to swelling and to stretching of the ligaments, and there's a judgement call involved in whether or not a partial tear should be surgically repaired or whether it will provide enough stability to the joint as it heals.
I expect no one is in a hurry to make a decision, and that's probably the right call - let the swelling subside completely and then re-assess.
Marcell Dareus entering rehab
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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It's pretty common that people with mental issues, such as depression, self-medicate with booze and drugs. (It's especially common in airline pilots - usually booze, wrap your head around that. Why? They can't accept treatment and specific medications without losing their certificates. Zoloft is prohibited ,but booze is fine saith the FAA, just so long as you stop long enough before flying).
A point of rehab is to bring out underlying issues and start a program to address them.
Depression is speculation of course, but it would kind of be a surprise if all the losses Dareus has suffered of people close to him, *didn't* leave him with some sort of mental issues.