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So how did this work out for you? LMAO
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LOL...the cut to commercial almost every other pick...there are 16 other teams each round that can say the same thing...its not just the Bills
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I guess I am not the only one who thinks Buddy and the gang blew their first draft in Buffalo. Let's hope the second time through the process is a charm. Go Bills!
Spiller has a ton of potential, so waaay too early to declare him a bust. Needs to get better in pass protection (most young RB's do) so he can get on the field more...
Troup, Carrington, and Moats are all very promising too and we wont really know how good they will be until this year when they get significant playing time (or at least should)
Easley got hurt...he didnt bust, he got hurt.
So overall, we have some promising young players from last years draft...have they proven themselves yet, no, but I actually think 3 years from now its going to look like a pretty good draft.
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i went back to the film room aka Youtube...
I like the kid, Im not saying more than von Miller, but not less than him either... Sometimes it takes me awhile...but in the last 2 hours he has grown on me
My bigger concern about him is that it makes more sense if we are in a 4-3 than a 3-4. I am not sold on him as a great 3-4 DE at the next level and I would think he would be much better used with him at DE in a 4-3 and Kyle and Troup clogging the middle.
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What are the odds A. Luck falls to us at #3 tonight
Havent seen one. Have you heard anything about this Newton kid?
Good point, someone should start one asap...cant wait so we can get in there and argue to ad nauseam about Cam with him
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32nd against the run and we got people yelling yes to a QB when Ryan threw 30 TD's last year, great!
hahahaha...man some of the stuff people say about Fitz is hilarious. He threw 23...even if you want to project it out you get even more foolish. He ONLY threw 23 because a third of them came in TWO games. Its not like he was out there each week lighting it up. In fact, outside of the Cincy game, he averaged 1 per week over the last 9 games. People need to come to grips with reality of what Fitz's season was...
I am not advocating drafting Gabbert at 3, I personally am not high on him. If Buddy and Chan are, then I am fine with the pick...but I think it may be some ammo to try and encourage a trade so they can then use that ammo to trade back into the first to grab the QB they covet (Mallet, Ponder, Locker, CK)
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why do people talk about free agency like its a possibility...the Bills wont be making any big signings so please stop kidding yourself
the Bills havent had a stud on the d-line for how long? if Dareus is there and im hoping he is he has to be the pick, if not then its Miller
i would like to see the Bills go defense with their second pick as well because the front seven needs a serious talent upgrade but we all know they are trying to go QB there
Ever heard of Kyle Williams?
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i'll say this until next season....Our defense sucked for a number of reasons...1) injuries.... 2) trying to force players to learn new position... 3) No set defensive scheme 4) lack of Trust and confidence...
1.Cant control injuries
2.This year, everyone should have made the adjustments
3.we'll have set scheme
4.Confidence and Trust will come when the first 3 things fall in line
Dont forget the additions of Merriman, Troup, Moats, Carrington, etc to the starting rotation this year.
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Thanks for the update NGU...couple questions...
1. Any truth to the rumors of us trading down within the top 10?
2. Any truth to the rumors of us being one of the teams looking to trade back into the first, possibly for NE's first pick?
3. Any insight on whether we are looking to go QB (assuming we don't draft one at 3) with our 2nd rd pick and who we covet?
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I wouldn't accept a deal that didn't include a 2nd round pick this year. Not interested in trading a premium draft slot for underachievers and/or mid round picks.
^^^This^^^
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Actually, a really good scenario is plausible here that I like a lot.
If the Bills trade down to 10 with Washington, then they could still get a stud prospect for the D (like Fairley or Quinn) or even at WR or OT and then use the extra picks they get from Wash to package a deal to get back into the first at 17 and take Ponder or Mallet (I prefer Mallet). I think we could pick up Wash 2nd this year and first next year giving us the ammo to get back into the first and still have a 2nd round pick this year (either our own or Washington's depending which one we traded) and a first next year (again either our own or Washington's depending which we traded).
I would love this draft, at least this part of it.
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They should just give Fitz the keys. Build the defense up. By the time the defense is stable, then make a decision on QB. By the time the defense becomes a dominate unit, the coach, GM, and owner will know if Fitz is "the guy".
They already know if Fitz is the guy or not, and they said no. They have said numerous times that they need to find "the guy" who can lead this franchise for the next 10 years. And Fitz is only 28 and young enough to be able to lead this team for the next 10 years...so clearly they don't think he is the guy.
Here is where a lot of people are disconnecting. In the vast majority of cases, a young QB needs time to develop. So we cant wait until the rest of the team is in place to start developing a QB. More often than not, a teams window at its peak is 3 years because various ages of your players, FA, injuries, and trades. Sure, great teams can extend that window when you have FA's lining up to play for you, they draft consistently strong, etc. Well we are not that team...we won't have the luxury of spending 2 years putting all the other pieces in place, then grabbing a QB after that to spend 2 or 3 years developing before we start making serious runs...you are now talking 4 or 5 years down the road as it will take at least 2 drafts to fill the other holes (assuming we actually have strong drafts both times) followed by developing a QB after that for the next 2 or 3 years.
You got to take the QB early in the rebuilding process so when the team is primed for a major run you have the right guy leading that ship. A great QB can turn a team around faster than any other player at any other position, and it's not even close. A sub par or bad QB can also keep teams from being able to get over the hump no matter how talented the rest of the team is. There are exceptions, but I don't like banking on exceptions as they are exceptions because they are rare.
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Anyone remember Matt Leinart, Brian Brohm, Jake Locker...etc etc?
These are all guys that were practically a lock to be the first QB off the board if not the first pick in the draft but chose to go back to school for another year. Leinart slipped out of the top 10 and became the 2nd QB taken...Brohm slipped to the 2nd round and was the 3rd QB taken...Locker is going to almost certainly be somewhere between the 3rd QB off the board to the 6th ot 7th one and may even slip into round 2.
There is a long list of examples like this...so I just don't understand all the hoopla and huffing and puffing about MAYBE being able to draft a guy who may very well not even be the highest rated QB next year. He has a new coach on a team not exactly stacked with talent to the point where they are a lock to be a power house next season...his season could easily cause him to slip, not to mention the possibility of injuries.
The funniest thing is that these EXACT conversations were all over this board last year about possibly getting a high enough pick to draft Locker this year after he went back to school...and now most people don't even want him and he will 100% for sure be available with our pick.
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These clowns are in the business of keeping you glued to the tube, so they are always going to say that the loser someone just drafted is better than the stud that was drafted two years ago, or that the future bust just taken is going to be 'the next' which ever pro bowler bears some basic physical resemblance to him.
Oops...did I just say that out loud?
In this case, Rodgers was far from a stud...in fact, GB took 2 QB's in this draft because Rodgers was still unproven and had struggled for the most part in fill in time while Favre was there. We all know the story after...Rodgers came into camp as the starter and never looked back, but on draft day he was still quite the question mark.
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So we draft Newton or Gabbert with the #3 pick, and sit him the 1st year as they adjust to the NFL.
Our 1st round pick now provides no impact for 2011. We probably blow the 2nd round pick again, and we're likely looking at the top draft pick in 2012. And there awaits Andrew Luck who we could not pass on as our QB of the future and who would likely start day one.
What then of Newton or Gabbert? They would turn into yet another #1 draft pick with less than 1st round impact.
Just thinking out loud here......
There is a list a mile long of QB's who were considered by the masses to be the top QB prospect that year yet chose to go back to school for one more year and see their draft stock fall when they entered the draft the following year. So, just because Luck is highly touted now does not mean come draft time next year he is still going to be as highly touted as he is now. Here are a few notables, including one on our roster and one in this draft.
Matt Leinart - would have been first QB taken and likely top pick in the draft...ended up falling when he entered draft and saw VY chosen ahead of him.
Brian Brohm - would have been top 5, if not 1st overall, and certainly first QB off the board...fell to 2nd round the following year and was 3rd QB.
Jack Locker - Certain top 10 pick, maybe #1 overall, and most thought he would have been top QB last year on the board...will be no higher than 3rd QB taken, maybe even 6th or 7th QB off the board.
So, I know there is all this Luck hoopla, but no one knows how his season is going to go or if we will get hurt or not. So even if we do wind up with a pick high enough to get Luck next year, there is no certainty he will even be considered to go that high any more and present any kind of issue for us. Not to mention, it puts us in a great trading position which is what could really help this team in that scenario if Luck is still the top prospect.
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2 41 Torell Troup DT Central Florida
3 72 Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State
6 178 Arthur Moats OLB James Madison
Anybody out here remember those guys? Sure, the Bills have the #3 pick this year and there are some awesome defensive players to choose from. But Troup sure seemed to be coming into his own towards the last 4 games last year, and Carrington hasn't even scratched the surface of his potential yet. Both those kids came out of smaller colleges so they need more time to acclimate, but they are still both high draft picks just entering into their second years.
And then there's Arthur. If this kid picks up where he left off last year, Nix will end up with the absolute steal of the 2010 draft from last year's 6th round. Of course I would love to see the Bills pick Von Miller if they don't go for one of the two top QB's at 3. But who knows if Moats won't end up being even better then Miller by the time they both retire years from now??
And of course, Dave Wandstadt, former Super Bowl winning DC (over our beloved Bills ironically), has joined Chan to help the Bills rebuild. With him on board to help utilize Troup, Carrington and Moats better, choosing Newton or Gabbert at 3 (as I hope he does) becomes less of a tradgedy passing on Miller or one of the other great defensive prospects.
I actually think these 3 guys could become at least good starters if not better. I don't think our D is in bad of shape going into next season as it looked last season.
If Merriman can be at least 80% of the player he was and stay healthy (two big question marks though), then he will make a pretty big impact on this team. The 3 guys you have listed here all have a year under their belt now and showed promise last year, so if they can continue to develop then those 3 and Merriman could really get this D back on track.
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6491/cam-newton
If this holds up, what happens? What does Denver do, take Miller? He won't fit in their 4-3. And then what for us? It's gotta be Newton or Peterson, right??
Denver still goes D, either Peterson or whichever their next highest DL guy is on their board. Then, I think we will see the same thing we saw with the Spiller pick last year...our pick will be in the moment we are on the clock and it will be Newton. I won't hate the pick, but I would be lying if I didn't admit his film session with Gruden has me more concerned than I was before.
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It's either sink or swim with Fitz this year. All of the guys coming out have major question marks, so reaching for one early wouldn't be smart. Give Fitz the full prep time as the starter and get him some more help like a RT and a TE.
I agree, all of the QB's have a degree of risk, but honestly, that's just about every QB every year come draft time. That being said, I would much prefer to go D at #3 (or trade back and pick up extra needed picks) and take a QB in the 2nd, especially because I think Mallet could fall to us there and he is the guy I think is the best passer in the draft.
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Ponder, Locker, Cam Heyward, Kyle Rudolph and Andy Dalton are on the board who do u take? I would say if we get Von Miller in the 1st we should go Cam Heyward if he's there in the 2nd. Though Rudolph would be good to.
In this scenario I would go Ponder. I think the FO would also heavily consider Locker and maybe Heyward as well, but I think Ponder is the better pick.
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Alpha.....your on the one track and not listening to what I am trying to say.....so we will just agree to diagree
On the one track? Funny, I am in all kinds of threads on all kinds of topics, yet I am "on the one track" because I won't change my mind about Fitz's struggles this year? So should I say you are "on the one track" because you always defend him? I guess everyone on this board who doesn't change his opinion on any given topic is "on the one track". The funny part, is that all the same people who say things like that are also all the same people in all kinds of QB threads defending Fitz over and over again. Funny how they dont get labeled for being "on the one track" though...
I simply asked you a logical question in response to what you literally said about how his play "deteriorated" implying that it was previously good. You said it, not me, and I simply was asking how you could say it deteriorated when his level of play the rest of the year very much resembled his play in 3 of his other 4 games.
But like you said...we can just agree to disagree, no biggie.
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You can point that out
Alpha sure to have some Dawg-gone reason why it don't matter. He's On the Trail: Fitz sucks and can never improve.
MagicalFranchiseGuy will be able to block for himself and catch his own passes.
He'll also play both sides: stop the run, too, and get the ball back for himself.
Football is a team sport, no matter how often one points that out somehow it's all about the QB...all the time.
News Flash: You do realize that when Fitz is making a throw our defense is not on the field right?
Seriously, why do people keep bringing this up to defend Fitz when the big problem people have with him is how inconsistent he is with his accuracy? If you want to bring it up to defend our record, then fine. But enough about this as some kind of defense of Fitz's accuracy issues which are rooted in his mechanics and marginal arm strength that causes him to put everything he has on a ball to deliver it. Just like when you swing as hard as you can in golf...when you connect you seem like you have more power than you do and its a thing of beauty...but it severely decreases your ability to hit the ball accurately. Fitz has the same problem...he doesnt have natural zip, and you can literally see his whole delivery change when he is trying to hit a small window on a timing route, an out pattern, or down field.
The guy is a great teammate and leader no doubt. But its not our D or anything else that make him inaccurate. He has always struggled with accuracy because of how he throws the ball and his mechanics. And unfortunately, the things plaguing his accuracy are actually difficult to over come, especially at this stage of his career.
But go ahead and scream 23 TD's one more time because I am sure that will fix all his issues and he will be the second coming of Jimbo like some people seem to see in him. Nothing would make me happier than seeing Fitz be a top 10 QB...I just don't think his ability will allow him to be much better than he was this year and that won't be good enough to make this team a serious contender again.
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Fitz numbers deteriorated along with an awful lot of injuries around him though should we not point that out?
We lost wide receivers......the offensive line was talking injuries and they were trying to figure out the pieces at RT......
I am in "wait and see mode" with Fitz like everyone else.....I just want to see him given a fair chance:
- Dont draft a friggen TE receiving threat! Give him a veteran target to throw to....based on what he did with a tall lank Nelson over the middle I think a beat tight end to throw to would do wonders for Fitz
- Solidify the line.....If we are going to go with Pears then fine....if we are going to draft someone fine...if we are going to bring in a free agent fine....but lets solidify the thing....give Fitz a solid running game to keep defenses from pinning their ears back.....and give him some time to go through his progressions....ESPECIALLY when we get in the red zone
- And lets at least put a defense on the field where Fitz does not feel like he has to score 6 every single posession.....I think that when a QB is trying to manage a game and they feel like they HAVE to score a touchdown on every position becase a. The defense cant stop anybody and b. The defense cant stop an opposing offense from chewing up the clock and c. The defense cant create turnovers.....then you are not taking what a defense gives you....you are FORCING IT....hence you throw picks because you start to take too many chances
Let just give him a legit chance to prove himself.....lets draft a QB in the 2nd round just in case Fitz does not end up being the next Jim Kelly to groom but lets put a team around Fitz that gives him a chance for success.......instead of forcing Fitz to make a risky throw at the end of the game trying to win it lets improve in other areas so he doesn't have to.
I am confused? What do you mean deteriorated? That means it was good at some point...I showed you the final 9 games...you say his play deteriorated during those 9 games because of circumstances impyling that it was good prior to those 9 games. I find that interesting since he in the 4 games before that...NE, Jets, Jax, and then Balt...he was awful against the Jets, not very good against NE and Jax, and then the Balt game. So what are you basing this on? One game against Balt? A game we LOST where Fitz was both a key reason we almost pulled off the upset and at the same time a key reason why we lost because his 2 bad INT's in the 3rd gave away our double digit lead for good.
So how can you say his game deteriorated over the 9 weeks when it was almost identical to his level of play in just about every game he has ever played in his career, including the prior 4 games?
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We forget that right before the Ravens game last year, Fitz was 2nd in the league in passer rating, behind only Peyton Manning.
2010 Passer Rating Leaders
Player Rating
Peyton Manning (IND) 103.4 Ryan Fitzpatrick (BUF) 102.0 Vince Young (TEN) 98.8 Philip Rivers (SD) 97.8 Tom Brady (NE) 96.0 Tony Romo (DAL) 94.9 Matt Schaub (HOU) 93.0 Kyle Orton (DEN) 92.1 Matt Cassel (KC) 91.5 Drew Brees (NO) 91.4
Come on man, that was 3 games and if you watched the games he actually was not very good in any of them. His "stats" look better then he actually played. He struggled to keep drives alive most of the game against NE and Spiller's 2nd half ST TD kept the game from being a blowout. Against the Jets he was horrendous but got an extra TD and yards down 31 points in the final minute of the game. Against Jax, he started good and then vanished in the 2nd half until he got one more garbage TD in the final minute of another blow out.
If you want to play that game, then you forget that over his final 9 games after the Balt game, Fitz's QB rating was a putrid 73.48...wanna take a guess as to where that ranks over that span in the NFL? And that is over 9 games, not 3. Which do you think is a better indicator of the norm (especially considering in the 3 games you referenced he actually did not play well either, just had a decent stat line)?
9 Games following Balt game (aka how he finished the season)
174 comp, 313 att = 56% comp percentage
2023 yards
12 TD's (and 4 came in a single game against Cincy)
16 Turnovers
QB Rating: 73.48
How many games do you think a team likely wins in a 9 game stretch when the QB performs like that?.....Probably not many
What are the odds said team makes the playoffs?.....Slim
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I say draft Von Miller & one of those monster linemen from Wisconsin.
Trade for Carson Palmer...we need a veteran leader at the helm, plus he played with Fitzy with the Bengals.
This is a terrible idea. Not because I think Fitz is better than Carson, because I don't, but because we already have a cheaper veteran QB in Fitz. Palmer is on the downside of his career, and even though I think he is more talented than Fitz as a QB, I don't think at this point in his career he offers much of an upgrade (if any at all) over Fitz. So why would giving up any needed assets like say draft picks be a prudent move when we are rebuilding right now? Someone like Minn makes much more sense who is ready to compete next year for a Championship if they can stabilize the QB spot, and Carson would be an upgrade right now for them over Webb.
For a rebuilding team, Fitz is just fine, especially since he already knows the system, is much more mobile, and has rapport with our receivers already. So lets keep our assets and use them to fill holes on this team while we let Fitz lead it for a year or two as we groom a rookie behind him.
Round 1 (Pick #3): DT Marcell Dareus - University of Alabama
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Wow that was so sick...hadn't seen this, so thanks