Alphadawg7
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I remember the game just fine. As you just said yourself, we later tied the game. If the game is tied no one has the lead. Therefore, the picks did not give Baltimore the lead for good.
LMAO...Ok, how about this: Fitz's INT's gave away OUR lead for good...is that better?
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I must not have watched the same Baltimore game as you did. It was Shawn Nelson's fumble that gave Baltimore the lead for good, not Fitz's picks.
Yes, you must not have watched the same game or have that classic TSW infliction called "selective memory" because we lost the lead for good in the 3rd quarter after Balt scored on both of Fitz's INT's. We later tied the game, but never led again. Balt never again trailed in that game after scoring on both INT's in the 3rd quarter.
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Still not buying this one. I saw him make many throws to win games last year when we had a defense and TO.
This year he made enough throws to win the Ravens game. Not his fault Nelson fumbled. Made enough to win the Cheifs game. Not his fault the kicker missed a very makable FG. He made enough passes to get us to OT against Bears if our kicker hadn't missed a PAT.
QB can't win it on his own. Fitz is playing very well and is getting better.
It's way too early to close the book on Fitz and label him as the guy who can't win the big one.
I did see Jim Kelly blow some late by throwing picks etc to lose close games. I've also seen Brett Favre do it.
Jerking QBs out of the starting lineup and not letting them learn is what we've been doing for the last 5 years. Where has it gotten us?
Huh? What games are you watching? Getting better? Did you just decide to make that up to make a point or something, because he clearly hasnt gotten "better" since the Balt game. Newsflash, here are his stats since the Balt game:
67-123, 54% comp, 668 yds, 3 TD's, 3 INT's for a QB rating of 68.07
How can anyone say he is "getting better"? Since when is a 1:1 TD:INT ratio, comp 54% of his passes, and a 68 QB rating considered playing very well? He has clearly gotten worse. He also has 5 INT's over his last 4 games and about a dozen would be INT's that defenders dropped over the same span.
Its funny how Bills fans want to cling on to that ONE Balt game for dear life as if its the norm. People were going nuts over his "stats" after Balt game because on paper they looked so much better then how he played in the NE, Jets, and Jac game. In all 3 games, he got a late TD at the end of the 4th when the game is mostly out of reach and the D's were playing "bend but dont break" defense. During the rest of each of those games he was largely ineffecitive with the exception of the first half against Jax.
You also talk about how he made enough throws to win Balt game and KC game yet completely disregard the throws that led us to a loss. Like the 2 INT's that gave Balt the lead for good. After commanding the first half and taking us to halftime with a lead, he comes out with 2 awful INTs to give Balt the lead for good. Which is also why his stats were so high, because we had to play catchup the rest of the game.
In KC, he was completley ineffective almost the whole game, including just 50 yards passing at half time. He should have had a pick 6 on the very first play of the game. In 5 full quarters of play, he still only had 223 yards passing. He had just ONE good drive all game, and that was the late TD to tie the game. As bad as he was prior to that drive, he was even worse after completing just 33% of his passes on the 4 drives that could have won us the game with one INT (inlcuding missing a wide open Spiller by a mile for the win before Lindell missed the FG).
Chi he also had 2 more costly INT's, including a terrible one on the final drive to try and win us the game.
Is all the blame on him? NO, of course not, its never on just one player. But to say he is getting better and making enough throws to win games is crazy. He makes enough throws to keep us in games, but enough mistakes that makes them hard to win when we should win.
Even if you add in the Balt game, his stats over his last 4 games are not very impressive:
96-166, 57% comp, 1050 yards, 7 TD's, 5 INT's with a 78.14 QB rating.
Yes, he plays with heart and I love that, and Yes this offense is much better with him then it was with Trent...but just because he is better then Trent ever was does not mean this guy should be our full time starter for the future. I like the guy, but as our eventual backup.
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Discussing the pre-game altercation between the Redskins and Eagles, Jackson had this to say "The pregame altercation got us going. It had us ready. We came back into the locker room pumped," Jackson said. "We were like pit bulls, ready to get out of the cage." I couldn't help but laugh when I read this. Maybe he should have chosen a different analogy given the history of the guy who was throwing him the ball.
As bad as it looks, I would think that this was almost a good thing for Vick...shows they are not thinking about or focusing on his past, they just see their teams QB...
Still, not the best comment given the circumstances, but like I said I think its more of a sign that the team has moved on and his past is his past...
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I just want to point something out here:
Last night I got into a QB discussion here about Sam Bradford, and how he is already a franchise-quality QB. Yet in almost every statistical category Fitz is outperforming him. So my contention is how we feel about a QB is directly related to how high he was drafted. If we drafted Andrew Luck and he was having an identical year to Fitzy we'd be deliriously happy. But since it's 7th round journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick with the same stats we can't wait to replace him. It's no different than buying an expensive bottle of wine. It has to be better than the cheap crap because it was expensive, even if it isn't.
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Geezus, the stats argument again. Its hilarious to watch all these stat checkers defend Fitz against other more talented QB's. Anyone with even a basic understanding of football who WATCHES the games can see Fitz has not been playing at a level indicative of full time starting talent. There is not a single person in football, dead or alive since the game was born in one mans head, that would take Fitz over Bradford. Bradford is a ROOKIE on a less talented offense who has a world of upside as he continues to learn the game. His comparison to Fitz is so absurd its not even funny. Let me illustrate just how stupid stat games can be rather than judging them by watching film on them...
JP Losmans last 7 games of 2006: His best stretch of his career
4-3 record, 130/205, 63% comp, 1553 yds, 7.57 ypa, 12 TD's, 8 INT's, 89.75 rating
Fitz in his 7 starts this year: His best stretch of his career
1-6 record, 148/251, 59% comp, 1645 yds, 6.55 ypa, 14 TD's, 7 INT's, 85.5 rating
Now if we go off STATS, then JP is a little better then Fitz with a significantly better W/L record, comp %, YPA, and QB Rating.
But what we know is that JP is not a very good QB, made a lot of mistakes on the field, was inaccurate and eratic, and not going to lead us anywhere significant even though he finished the 2006 year as the 11th rated QB in the league. In fact, no one would want him over Fitz, myself included.
Look at how some other QB's rated in 2006:
B. Favre - 25th
Big Ben - 21st
Eli Manning - 18th
S. McNair - 14th
Hasselbeck - 19th
M. Vick - 20th
V. Young - 30th
Show me one guy on this list that JP Losman is better than? He was the 11th rated QB in 2006 yet would be the 3rd string QB on most of these respective teams today (in fact he is the 3rd string to a guy on that list right now in Seattle). Does it really matter he was the 11th rated QB? NO, because he isnt a very good QB and was beat out by a 3rd round draft pick who sucks too the very next year.
So, people need to get out of the stats section and start watching some games. Fitz's accuracy is now below 60% on the season and continues to drop. This guy plays with a ton of heart, and I LOVE THAT and wish we had more guys like him on our team, but that doesnt change the fact that he is wildly inaccurate even when completing passes. I cant tell you how many times on a simple screen he has thrown the ball behind the reciever causing him to step back or spin around to make the catch allowing the D to adjust before the reciever can make their move. So many completed passes are shoe string catches or catches where the reciever has to stop their route to go get.
Add into that all the times he throws passes that are so wild they mimic a wild pitch in baseball. The Fitz love affair posters will argue how great he was against Balt (news flash, he isnt the only one who lit up Baltimores secondary which isnt that D's strong point) yet ignore how he handed control of the game to them with 2 terrrible INT's in the 3rd. They will blame Lindell for missing that FG in KC yet ignore the INT where we were almost in FG range in regulation and might have been if he hit the open slanting Lee Evans but instead threw the ball a mile over his head. They will ignore the wide open Spiller he wasnt close to hitting in the end zone just before the Lindell kick or all the incompletes in OT.
I am happy he is on this team, he is a great backup and plays with a lot of heart. But anyone who claims he is our future because of some stats (that continue to go down) rather than how the game really plays out is just kidding themselves.
This is not a bash on Fitz, its a reality check. I do like the guy and hope he is here next year, just backing up a real prospect or keeping the seat warm. Because I dont see him as a long time solution, then I support getting at least 3 starts in for Brohm this year to see what he can do. Oh, and all the Brohm bashers are going to say he got his shot in preseason and didnt win the job...well so did Fitz, and Trent beat him out too then he surprised once he got some real time with the starters.
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The Bills haven't seen this level of QB play since Bledsoe's 2002 year, and someone actually requests wanting to see what Brian Brohm can do. I can't even come up with a term that would do justice to this level of stupidity.
Excpet the fact for as much as Fitz has done to keep us competitive for the most part of the last 4 games, he has still commited enough terrible mistakes that have had a heavy hand in our losing all 4 games.
This statement you just said is so telling about how bad our QB situation has been. Just because its the best we have had since Bledsoe does NOT in any way mean its good enough and we should settle on it. Thats how bad its been, that everyone is in love in Fitz because he hasnt sucked nearly as much as Trent and JP and they choose to ignore how costly his mistakes are, how unbelivievable inaccurate he is at times, how even a lot of his completed passes are way off the mark (causing WR's to break off routes, dive for balls, make touch catches, drop to the ground to catch balls almost in the dirt, etc.)
This guy plays with a ton of heart and I respect how he plays out there and I am glad he is on our team. But this guy is a great backup, but too inaccurate and inconsistent to really be our long term answer. So if he isnt the long term answer, then at some point (given this season is a lost season) we need to evaluate Brohm at some point to see if he can be a starter or a backup on this team going into next year.
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... pronounced with an 'umpty'
lol...you are way behind in the song...
This is where it was left off at...
People say "Yo, Humpty, you're really funny lookin", that's all right 'cause I get things cookin'
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He could've been our HC and hired Gailey as OC.
Gregg Williams is one of the best DC's in football yet wasn't that good of a HC for us. So, granted he is a good DC, there is no telling what he would have been as our HC this year. In fact, this lead has several guys who were great DC but average or worse as HC.
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The hump-ty daaaance, is your CHAAAANNNCE, to-do-the HUMP
(cool, I get the part just before the chorus!)
People say "Yo, Humpty, you're really funny lookin", that's all right 'cause I get things cookin'
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Fans here LOVED Trent Edwards, some LOVED Losman...when they left for good to never again contribute to the retardation and pussification of this offense
Fixed...
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I sure hope you know I'm kidding...
I'm skinny, It never stopped me from getting busy, I'm a freak.
...I like the girls with the boom, I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom
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Seriously, how have the mods even allowed this thread to stay open...its an embarrasment to Bills fans and a very poor welcoming to the newest member of our team...
Great example you are setting there Darth...you always find a way to out due the heights of childish stupidity you strive so much to achieve...congrats on being being the best at something...
In honor of the movie The Hangover: "You literally are too stupid to insult"...this is where you say "thank you"
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Seriously, some Bills fans are just embarrasing themselves now...this might be one of the stupidest threads of recent memory on here (and thats saying a lot). Between all the crying about refs, conspiracies by both refs and the media, rule changes, etc it was already getting embarrasing as thats all stuff straight out of the book "Things losers say"... Newsflash: We lose games because we beat ourselves with bad turnovers, a D that can't hold up, missed opporunities on offense, blown coverages, penalties, etc...in other words beacuase of a LACK of talent. And we dont get any respect from the media because we haven't earned any.
Add into that, the constant bashing of players like Lee (and already Merriman) and its no wonder free agents dont want to come here. I mean dam, Merriman has been here 24 hours and this crap is already going on by uneducated kids who clearly don't know squat about the actual case. We just added to this team a player of higher quality then what we have...as I stated above, we lose because we dont have enough talent. You guys all scream at the FO to bring in more talent...and here we take a NO risk HIGH reward chance on a talented player at one of our weakest positions and some of you still just cant help yourself.
How about we just welcome Merriman to this team and cut him some slack and let him show us the kind of player he is over the remainder of this season? Keep in mind, if he does work out we will still need to resign him, so maybe making him feel wanted here is a better approach, especially since thats all he wanted in SD...
On second thought, this isnt as dumb as the other Merriman thread about whether or not Nix is going to give him roids again...that one is the stupidest one on here right now and threads like these really taint this board...
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I'm convinced there must be something in the water up there in Buffalo that just diminshes the logical side of the brain, because to complain about Fitzy's play this season is an absolute !@#$ing abomination.
In five games, (two less than other QB's on this list), compare:
Fitz: 240yds/gm; 12td; 5int
Drew Brees with two more games: 291.8yds/gm; 16dt; 11int;
Peyton Manning with one more game: 319yds/gm; 13td; 2int
Vince Young with two more game: 142yds/gm; 9td; 2in
Tom Brady with two more games: 228yds/gm; 12td; 4int
Matt Schaub... : 256yds/gm; 9td; 5int
Eli Manning...255yds/gm; 14td; 11int
Aaron Rodgers...251yds/gm; 12td; 9int
AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON..
www.nfl.com
Alphadawg, get a freaking clue, the numbers speak for themselves. And what do all of the QB's on the list above have that Fitz doesn't have? A freaking supporting cast. Fitz is playing with players where at best, maybe 2, would be starters on the teams of those qb's listed above. So your constant bitching about fitz is NAUSEATING.
Fitz is 27 yrs old, not 37. The reason he never got a shot in Cincy is b/c Palmer was there and not necessarily b/c he couldn't perform. btw, look up Palmers' numbers this season and compare them to Fitz..they're worse. But yet here you continue..bitching.
What a whiner. Do me a favor, put a bag over your head and go sit in a corner b/c your delusional/biased bitching makes me SICK. There's plenty of **** to B word about on this team, but Fitz is not one of them.
lmao at this 14 year old childish tantrum...this post is literally too stupid to reply to and I am not about to indulge you in a kiddie pissing war. All I am going to say is that if you were capable of reading as much as you rant you would see I have given props to Fitz many times and very much like Fitz. Unlike you, I acknowledge what he has done well while keeping in perspective his mistakes he had made along the way. You on the other hand just compared Fitz to the best QB's in the game...clearly you are not rational enough to discuss something with, so we will just agree to disagree and move on.
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Git er done Buddy.
AND as an added bonus, release Kelsey and/or Maybin.
They just signed Kelsay to an extension, they are not waiving him despite it being most fans wishes.
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Some kickers prefer the warmup. Also, I think simply for rhythm kickers will atleast put a foot on it either way. Once they start approaching I think you are getting a kick. I'm sure most of the time they hear the whistle and see the refs but kick anyway.
I would guess (again just guessing based on what I see as there is no official stat on this) that probably some where near 80% of the kicks that happen after the TO is called are simply for this very thing you just said. Every time I see a kicker interviewed about it, they all say the same thing...that they kicked the first one anyway to get a feel for the wind and a warm up kick in even after the TO was called.
I have even seen one kicker who said that its a decided on plan prior to lining up...that if a timeout is called just before the snap to go ahead with the kick for practice and wind conditions.
In all honesty, Haley was pretty stupid for doing that on the kick Lindell did in terms of the situation. It was a very difficult kick in windy conditions, he already has a good chance of missing it from that far...you dont want to let him generally get a free kick to judge the wind when he can very well miss the first one. So a little surprised he took that risk...it happened to work out, but there are times where this TO tactic is a safer move and times when its a dangerous move.
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San Diego should be all over this one.
Yeah, this was my thinking too...SD really needs a weapon for Rivers.
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They're still talking about it. La Canfora says he's talked to a few GMs and the general consensus is that he'll go unclaimed and then be re-signed to NE. Minny loses the pick AND would be on the hook for his salary. Unreal. The NFL CANNOT allow this happen.
Why? I dont get the hate on NE if they pull this off as they havent broken a single rule. This is all on the Vikes...they cut him after giving up a 3rd for him and now some team, possibly NE, is going to benefit from thier regretted trade. Our fans would be jumping for joy if our team did this. What if Sea cuts Lynch (who has been struggling there, and they already cut LenDale White right after trading for him) and he resigned here? Is anyone going to be screaming for the NFL to block that too? I doubt it.
If he ends up back in NE, then I tip my cap to them as they essentially get Moss back while they got rid of his salary, got Branch and upgraded their draft pick from a 4th (the one they sent to Sea) to a 3rd (one they got from Vikes). I could only dream our FO could pull something like this off.
If this happens...
NE - Gets Moss, Branch, 3rd Round pick...Loses Moss's salary and a 4th round pick. WOW, call me impressed with that one
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I dont see any point at all in bringing Moss in, and I honestly never thought I would say that. This team is 0-7 with nothing to play for other than their jobs next year and to develop our young talent. No way Moss would ever resign here next year at this stage of his career because he wants to win and doesnt do well in losing enviroments.
More importantly, it would impeded the development of SJ and Nelson with another mouth to feed. So, for me, as exciting of a player as Moss can be, this just isnt a good fit because we are not going anywhere this year, he doesnt thrive in losing enviroments, we have young guys that need the reps, and he wouldnt resign here next year.
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I can agree with this. ---Your observations are what most Back-ups do. Look at our roster, is there anyone more worthy of starting?
Every fan gets dissapointed with their QB play from time to time and can scruitinize their play. Fitz and his recent accomplishments of 'resurrecting' Evans and propeling Stevie Johnson's career so that he has become a weekly mention on the NFL channel are something that noone else on our roster has accomplished.
Fitz is not the Franchize answer but he is adequate for now, all things considered, week eight, 0-7, etc etc.... When we bring in a Franchize QB, Fitz should remain as the seviceable 'back-up' that he is. Or is the Alphadawg going to argue this meager point as well?
I dont disagree with any of this, why would I argue it, its essentially the same thing I have said all along. I actually like Fitz a lot and the way he plays on the field with so much heart. Thats the kind of players we need more of. At the same time, I just don't see him as a long term solution the way he is mistake prone. However, I would love to see him in Buffalo still as our backup or even a stop gap while we groom a potential franchise guy.
Given this season is a complete wash, I would actually like to see Brohm at some point get a few starts to see what he can do with Chans offense with the starters. Other than that, I dont have a problem with Fitz as our QB right now, I just also don't see our franchise guy in him right...of course, that doesnt mean he cant get better and develop into that guy as he shows potential.
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Im sorry but his logic just doesnt make sense to me. Fitz hasnt had just 1 bad game, so idk why some people keep using that stat. He has had ONE great game. He was ok to mediocre in his other 4 starts this season. Can u say that same thing about Brees or Manning? Have they been only mediocre in the rest of their starts? The answers no. So comparing them is asinine. Great Qbs have great games all the time, and yes an occasional bad one. Not to mention 2 of the 3 bad games listed(manning, brady "bad games") they still won. I dont think anyone here is saying Fitz sucks. But its important to look at fitzs entire body of work. And the people who are arguing against him are simply saying this shows he is not the answer.
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Did you not read what I said?
I've said a number of times in the past (twice in this thread) that it's a stupid tactic no matter the outcome. It's within the rules, so I can live with the outcome, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
This is just like a hitter in baseball dropping down a bunt in the 8th inning of a no-hitter. It's within the rules, but it's a silly, chickensh*t way to break up the no-hitter.
Sounds like you want to ban all strategy from all sports and just play arcade style.
Whats the point of baseball...to win. How do you win...score more points then the other team. How do you score points...with base runners. How do you get base runners...with hits, walks, and bunts.
So are you saying you want some rule that states you cant bunt if its the 7th inning or later and the opposing pitcher has a potential no hitter? Or, maybe the pitching team should just be prepared for the bunt and make the defensive play to defend against the hitting teams strategy...
Sports would be nothing more than a giant arcade version of itself if all strategic plays were removed from the game.
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"Almost" plays don't count. That's how it's relevant. And I'm no Fitz lover.
Except when you are evaluating a performance. Stat sheets don't tell the story of the game, and in the reality of the game, he threw 4 bad passes that should have all been INT's, one of which a certain return for a TD on first play of the game. 3 of them were dropped, which saved him and allowed the game to stay close when it really shouldnt have the way our offense played and defense played. You dont get to ignore that because if you keep putting it in the defenders hands, they are going to catch some of them, which they finally caught the 4th one while we were driving to win the game in regulation.
This doesnt even include some of the other wildly inaccurate throws he made, including the missed game winner to Spiller. Fitz is a great backup, plays well enough to keep you competitive and just bad enough to hurt your chances of winning. If he can cut down the bone head mistakes that plague him at times, then I can see him being a full time starter, but he has never been able to do that thus far and still continues to make some really bad throws. This is Tyler Thigpen part 2 under Chan IMHO...makes him a serviceable fantasy QB though
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