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I sort of agree with you but all i'm saying is people keep talking about him as if he has lit it up somewhere else before he came to the bills and he has not.
What has any unproven young QB or rookie done before he has played more than 1 game?
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Here's a sampling of games from the 2008 season of Trent:
Wk Opp CompAtt Pct Yds Avg TD INT Sack Rate W/L
1 SEA 19 30 63 215 7.2 1 0 1 96 W
2 JAC 20 25 80 239 9.6 1 0 3 120 W
3 OAK 24 39 62 279 7.2 1 1 3 81 W
4 STL 15 25 60 197 7.9 1 1 4 82 W
7 SD 25 30 83 261 8.7 1 0 0 114 W
8 MIA 21 35 60 227 6.5 0 1 2 67 L
9 NYJ 24 35 69 289 8.3 1 2 5 79 L
12 KC 24 32 75 279 8.5 2 0 0 121 W
16 DEN 17 25 68 193 7.7 1 0 1 104 W
2008 245 374 65.5 2699 7.2 11 10 23 85
(sorry copy/paste is so bad from Mac to TSW)
This isn't horrible, and in my opinion it's pretty good. So what happened??
A. Bad teams made him look good
B. Worse OL
C. Concussion
D. Trent's confidence
E. DJ and Co made him worse?
F. Worse supporting cast?
I don't know the answer, I'm looking for them.
9 TD's in 9 games...doesnt seem all that different to me...
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I'm usually a little more patient, but after watching the Bills game as well as other highlights, I couldn't help myself. Taking Troup, a guy who doesn't start, instead of Clausen, a guy who could start for us this year was a big blunder. And this is not a hindsight or BS revisionist take on the draft. I like many other Bills fan around the country was screaming at the tv during the draft when the Bills drafted Troup (a guy not projected to go in the top 3 rounds) over JC.
I understand this team has a ton of holes (arguably even more before the 2010 draft) and that next year is supposed to be an even better year for QBs (2010 was given such a label too at this time last year) but grabbing Clausen at worse gives you a decent QB who could develop into something special, but at the least provides stop gap play at Qb in 2010 and is a good backup after you draft a QB high in 2011.
For the Bills sake I'm hoping that Clausen as a falling QB that so many teams passed on, follows Brady Quinn's career trajectory, and not that of Aaron Rogers who a lot of teams also passed on and who had similar reviews out of college.
Before we do this, maybe we should wait until Brohm gets a chance to play. Not saying he will be great, but what I am saying is we dont know yet, so lets give him a shot out there before we start this stuff.
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I'll say it again - on Sept. 12, the QB 'pecking-order' will be
Brian Brohm - Starting QB
Bad Bad Levi Brown - #2 QB
Ryan Fitzpatrick - Clipboard
Trent Edwards - President, Dakota Fanning Fan Club - Los Gatos Chapter
While I agree and always have thst Brohm will win this job, I cant see any scenario where Levi is the #2. I mean anythings possible, but Levi looked like a 7th round pick out there last nigh and isnt ready to play at this level yet. Not saying he doesnt have potential, just that he wont be ready to step into a game if our starter is out.
I think Ftiz will be in the most danger of being cut because of his salary, but then again, after Trents game last night they may keep Fitz and cut Trent if he keeps performing like that this preseason.
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In all seriousness, if him and Simpson continue to have strong preseasons and camp, this team needs to seriously consider trading Lynch or Jackson (I would assume Lynchs value would be higher especially if he has a good preseason) and try to get some help somewhere at a weaker position or at least 2nd or 3rd round pick next year.
We can roll with Jackson and Spiller with Bell and Simpson for depth...
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Hahaha posters like me huh? I've read everything you've said. I disagree with you. I"m allowed to have my opinion. Your too busy focused on how terrible you think trent edwards is you can't even pay attention to whats going on with the rest of the team. Its honestly pathetic. The OL played like garbage, the special teams played like garbage, our "Amazing" secondary played like garbage. its the first preseason, relax. The cowboys, bengals, chiefs, falcons, panthers first team offenses have all not scored a touchdown. hell the patriots havent passed for a touchdown with their first team yet. Seriously, its just preseason. this is when its OK to make mistakes and figure things out. A highly touted prospect that Green Bay gave a chance to and he couldn't beat anyone out there 2 years in a row for a back up job. thats laughable. he has had ample chances. Its called an opinion. What are you gonna say if Trent lights it up next game? Oh wait you prolly know thats not gonna happen... why should i even question that.
Yeah, posters like you is exactly what I meant. I have no problem with you having your own opinnion, hell if everyone had the same opinnion on this board it would be pretty boring. The issue with your posts is that you like to twist a request for a young prospect to get playing time into some kind of made up claim to his future greatness. Every poster who replied to your post said the same thing...NO ONE is saying he will be this or that, we just want to see the kid get a shot.
In fact, you are the only one making proclamations to what it will be like if he plays. We just want to see him play while you spout off coninuously that a kid who hasnt really played in the NFL yet is a bust and cant cut it. He may bomb, but he also may surprise and develop. No one knows (well nobody besides you) if he will do well or not, thats the point. Its time to find out because Trent and Fitz continue to show no reason to be optimistic that they are capable of being a starting QB in this league.
And FYI: Those other offenses played one or two series max, our first string offense played almost an entire half.
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The first drive was nice. But as usual, we get close to end zone and we get a 5 yard pass to ML on 3rd and 10 or whatever it was. Was it just me, or did he looked scared when they lined up for that 4th and inches. It was obvious to everyone he wasn't going to run a play. That's leadership for ya.If you're gonna pull that pansy-a$$ move, you've got to at least sell it a little bit.
Say what you want about Fitz, but he did engineer an 85 yard drive. True he benefited from a nice run. But he completed several nice passes. The TD was extremely nice. He was pressured. Rolled out. didn't panic, and found him man for a TD pass. Nice work. he also didn't throw a pick.
The problem is for every nice throw he made he also made 3, 4 or 5 awful passes too including several just into the ground on short passes. One was one of the worst passes I have ever seen on 1st and 10 deep in our territory to start a drive. It looked like he threw a water balloon and the water ballon had broke in his hand. Thats how bad it was and it was a short pass to the flat.
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Finally a good response. All these coaches on this board who have seen brohm and know he is NFL material. If he were soooooooooo goood like people say he is and is going to be, why has GB not seen starting or even back up material in him. And why hasn't Chan seen enough in him to make him a starter. There is obviously something not there. Chan sees him more than anyone, did you get that, he see's the plays this guy does MORE THAN ANYONE on this board. Obviously something is not there. Oh well.
How does that even make any sense? If Trent was so much better than Brohm then why is he even battling for a job? Why not name Trent the starter? Its because he has not been better enough to be named the starter and is still in a very OPEN QB competition right now.
So clearly Chan DOES see enough in Brohm in relation to our 3 QB's to have him involved in a 3 man race. Preseason game 1, Chan obviously wanted to take a long look at the Veterans first, and clearly they dissapointed. I would expect that Brohm gets a long look with the first or second unit next week.
And no one is saying he is "sooooooo good", they are saying lets see what he can do. Posters like you dont even bother to read the posts and just make up your own versions of what people write. No one is making any claims about how good he will be, they are saying the others clearly are not the answer so give the once highly touted prospect just 2 years ago a chance to see if he can do better.
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According to everything I've read, the general consensus is that Trent has looked a little better than the others, but nobody has really stood out either way.
So, I'm guessing their general plan is:
- start Trent in the first two preseason games, plays most of the 1st half.
- Fitz gets to finish the first half, and at least some of the starters are still in there. Plays most of the 2nd half.
- Brohm does same in next week's game.
At that point, you re-evaluate, and determine how to allocate reps with the starters in the 3rd preseason game. Starters typically play the longest in this game, so there would be more chances for 2 QBs to both get reps with the starters.
In any event, you'll choose your starter no later than after the 3rd preseason game. The starters don't get enough reps in the final game to make that mean anything in the QB competition.
Yeah, I think thats exactly the plan...but I wish they would just move BB to QB 1 for next weeks game and bring Trent in with the 2nd unit...why wait, get the kid some reps with the first unit and give him a real shot to win this job.
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I'm with you. I was dissapointed in not seeing Brohm tonight. Edwards just doesn't have it anymore, if he ever did. Fitz is better but that is not saying too much. I'd rather live or die with Brohm at the helm this year and see what he has. Its fairly obvious the others don't have it.
side note: haven't seen one comment from darth yet. that should be interesting.
Honestly, I would rather see Brohm start all year even if he too struggles in pre season. It takes real game reps to develop, so he may not light the world on fire in a few quarters in the preseason, but that doesnt mean that he cant develop with experience.
The one thing that I do know is that if he does struggle, it cant be anyworse than Trent and Fitz anyway. So why not go with the kid with room to develop rather than the two who have continously played inconsistent and down right bad most of their careers. So roll with him for the season and if he doesnt grow this year we grab a QB early in the 1st round or in FA next season and move on. He cant be any worse and at least provides hope...
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Dean, I've said this for two years. The good/great QBs in the NFL throw the ball to WRs who don't appear to be open. Trent only seems to be able to pull the trigger if he sees daylight.
Until that is fixed, he's worthless.
Thats what I have been saying too! This guy waits until the WR is open, which in the NFL means he is no longer open!
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Yet, oddly enough DeAngelo Hall had the instincts and quick-twitch to react to the ball, drive on it, pick it off, and go running down the sidelines the other way. It is a too much to ask for a superstar WR to be able to see and react to a play as it develops and make an athletic play and all.
Um, Hall was playing behind Lee and coming back to Lee as Trent stared him down while Lee was running an out to the sideline. But I guess Lee is supposed to be able to see through the back of his helmet and understand that Trent is taking an hour to deliver the ball with his weak arm like 12 yards down field. A QB with any kind of quality arm strength easily completes that pass as Lee was wide open when he started that throw, but a weak armed QB throwing off his back foot with his body momentum falling back ward and to the side throws an easy INT.
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are you kidding me? seriously? that line was terrible. i'm not giving the qb any excuses but i love how ur giving the OL excuses.
Whoa now...I didnt say the O Line was good, I said they were not the reason we lost this game. There were plenty of times our QB's had time and threw terrible passes, check downs, etc.
In fact, in the first Qtr on 3rd and 13 Trent checked down to Lynch with NO...yes NO pressure on a 3 yard pass play.
Our O Line was far from great, but they gave all our QB's opportunities that they outright squandered several times.
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Then Brohm deserves a chance to start next week and get some good reps in. I am guessing Trent will start and Brohm will come in with the 2nd unit and Fitz wont play with Levi in mop up duty, but in all fairness let the kid start. He may bomb or he may do well, but it doesnt matter, all today proved is that Trent and Fitz dont have it...so let the kid that we dont know enough about yet get some well deserved reps and play a quarter or two with the first unit.
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We started this game with backups folks, backups versus Haynesworth & starters. We had 0 offensive chance and had almost 0 chance of mustering much more than a FG in the first half. The Skins played their starters the whole first half and it showed, so I would expect a different game come real time.
We also had several fantasy penalties & Corner should of had a pick 6 would would of made it a 3 point game at the time, next play swung it 14 points against.
Relax & let's have out first versus the rest of the NFL first, before killing yourself.
Our O line did NOT lose us this game...you either did not watch the game or you are some kind of QB apologists for this team. With time, our guys did nothing, made terrible throws, terrible decisions, terrible check downs. It was business as usual with these QB's...time to get Brohm some reps and pray he can do more out there than Trent and Fitz. If not, then we will not win more than 4 games, and I am an optimist for this new team.
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I've been reading through the threads lately and all i see is " oh the bills will suck" or " Trent sucks" or " There is no hope".
Guys. Relax. It's the first preseason game for crying out loud. There are still 3 more preseason games to go. I guarantee that if we light it up in Toronto against Indy, everyone will be talking about us going unbeaten.
After watching this, here are some reasons on why we shouldntt panic just yet:
1. Our backups on D wont all be on the field during the regular season like today. I hope.
2. 3 o-line starters not playing.
3. Lynch and Jackson only played like half of the first quarter.
4. Edwards has nowhere to go but up after his performance today.
5. Our new coach might actually fix some of our mistakes
6. Steve Johnson looked pretty good, and will be the 2nd receiver
7. Poz, our best linebacker, didnt play.
8. There are still 3 more preseason games left to play
9. As my saying goes, in order to succeed, you must fail.
10. If Edwards can improve, and i think he will, the whole team will improve
The problem is that Trent looked exactly as he has always looked. Makes a couple of ok throws, then checks down on 3rd and 13 with NO pressure on him and throws a 3 yard pass to Lynch who had no blockers...then he scrambles a few steps out of the pocket and throws a weak pass off his back foot to the sideline for an INT when he doesnt have the arm strength to make that already dangerous pass.
Seriously, how was Trent any different than before tonight to give anyone hope he will get better? He hasnt gotten better since he left High School...what difference will 3 more preseason games make? Honestly, I just want to know what to pin the hopes of his improvement on.
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This is a tough call. Edwards did not throw on time because he was quickly flushed out of the pocket. Chambers was a turnstile as usual.
Evans needs to get to the ball and help the QB out. When a QB throws on the run the WR needs to be moving too.
I put this one on Evans.
How? Trent scrambled for all of 2 seconds and only took a couple steps out of the pocket when he threw it...Lee was in route to the sideline, he didnt have time to break off his route. You people act like Trent was scrambling for his life...he took a few steps out of the pocket and threw off his back foot. This is a terrible decision and an even worse throw by a QB who does not have the arm strength to make that throw.
Lee wasnt 40 yards down field, he was running a short to med out pattern to the sideline when Trent threw that lame duck. If Trent had any mustard on that ball then its an easy completion.
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LMAO, 8 Minute quarters! Someone needs a girlfriend.
My girl was at work...but thanks for trying...
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Ok, so I picked up Madden 11 today and of course first game I play is with Bills...after all the hoopla over the poor ratings I was curious to see how they played. I used the new Gameflow play calling (wanted to check it out too) for both offense and defense. Rewinds were turned off. Here were the results...
Buffalo vs Miami: I won 63 to 14 using 8 min qtrs.
Levi (put him in as the starter) 138.5 QB Rating, 21-29 (72%) for 354yds, 5 TD's, 1 INT
CJ Spiller (made starter) 23 carries, 188 yds (8.1 ypc) 4 TD plus 2 rec 30yds and 1 more TD.
Evans 8 rec 165yds 1 TD
Nelson 6 rec 90yds 1 TD (made him #1 TE)
Roscoe 3 rec 35yds 1 TD (made my #2 WR with Chad #3, Easley #4, Steve #5, and Hardy #6)
C. Jackson 1 rec 14yds 1 TD
Easley 1 rec 20 yds
On Defense, Mia was held to just 109 yards passing with 1 INT and 3 forced fumbles (2 recovered). However, they were able to run pretty good on us (I was controlling Byrd during the game), especially in the Wildcat. Brown and Ricky combind for 21 carries for 125 yds and 2 TD's. Had a couple sacks too and several deflected passes. Maybin actually led the team in tackles.
So all in all, the team moved the ball with ease down the field. Levi made some good throws and Spiller is almost unstoppable (at least in this first game) and would have had even more yards if the play calling system didnt call wildcat like 4 times which always got negative yards. Run D seemed to be weak, but overall the secondary made up for it with lots of deflections.
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Pay no attention to the past ten years or so - it was just a minor blip.
I did not mean we dont have a QB need, I meant we dont know if Trent or Brohm could be the guy under Gailey. You took that a whole other directon.
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They had nothing good to say about the Bills this year.
Greeny picked the Bills to go 5-11
Golic picket the Bills to go 4-12
What did you expect them to say? What move have we made that can be seen as positive by the national media who don't closely follow this team? They are not listening to each Chan press conference, reading the daily TC notes, closely following our young players developments, etc.
As far as the national media goes, we did not draft a LT or QB, drafted a 3rd starting RB essentially, and hired Chan Gailey instead of a big name coach and we are doomed for a bad season.
Why do people expect the media to prop us up before we have gone and proven that we are headed in the right direction?
And NO, I am not bashing our moves...I love the Gailey hiring thus far, am excited about Spiller, glad we did NOT draft a QB this year and are finding out what we got in Trent and Brohm first, and think we added even more talent to our D. To me, this team is headed in the right direction for the first time in a long time. But I dont expect the media who doesnt closely follow this team to notice until we start showing it on the field.
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Well tonight is the first look we will get at the Bills in live action this year. The question in my mind, as it was last year, is "will the Bills first team offense score a TD in the preseason?" Some love to point out that preseason "counts for nothing", "It's meaningless", "We run a base offense", etc. Well looking in the rear view mirror the inability of our first string offense to score in preseason DIRECTLY translated to the regular season last year.
Another question I have in my mind is "Will Gailey pull the plug on the 4th year of the Trent Edwards failed experiment if the offense pulls up lame out of the gate?" I have been one of the BIGGEST Trent bashers but in reality I want the team to do well and for that to happen TRENT has to do well. Last thing I want to see though is another year of futility with rubber arm ballless Cpt Checkdown playing not to lose. I SO hope I am wrong.
Its going to be tough since we didnt trade Donte for Troy Smith...if we had then it would have been a slam dunk
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I'll be honest here: I didn't really care who we drafted this spring, as we had a hell of a lot of needs.
But after watching some of the Panthers/Ravens game last night, I have to say...I wish we had drafted Clausen. For his first NFL game, he looked better than anyone we've got on the team right now. I couldn't help but think "he could've been ours" the entire time I watched. Am I alone here?
Oh well - here's hoping that Spiller ends up making me forget all about this tonight!
Keep in mind that we already have a highly regarded prospect just 2 years ago in Brohm who had yet to be evaluated fully for a season by our team and Trent who many at OBD still believed had upside. We were never going to fill all of our needs on this team in one season. Chan wanted to shore up the D and add a playmaker on offense in the first 2 rounds as I would guess he is looking for a powerful rushing attack and stout defense to build this team around.
Why use a high draft pick on a position that you dont even know is a true need? I have criticized Trent plenty and dont personally have a lot of faith in him, but even I will admit the offensive scheme and coaching for him has been just as bad as he has been. Chan liked Trent and wanted to see what he could get out of him, not to mention he was intrigued with Brohm. So why not let the new staff get a crack at developing these guys, and Chan has a good track record with QB's, and add key talent elsewhere before we use a high pick on this position.
Not to mention, everyone passed on Cluassen, and many more than once, so the analysis on him obviously wasnt as good as what many posters on here thought. Next years class is much deeper and may even have a rookie cap, so if there was ever a year to try and develop our guys first, this was it because its this staffs first year, we are rebuilding, and next years class looks to be better and we wont have to wager our financial future on an unproven QB (see Oak: Russell)...
Claussen may turn out to be a good QB, no one knows for sure during the draft, but he obviously had enough queston marks to force many QB needy teams to pass on him more than once.
Aaron Maybin
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Yeah, give the kid a chance to play and develop some moves from his new position that utilize his strengths. Derrick Thomas wasn't mauling people either and used his speed and finesse to get to the QB...and our fan base would trade their right arm for a Derrick Thomas right now...
Ultimately he may be a bust, average player, or great player...too early to tell when he has had very little playing time on the field and is being moved to a position better suited for his skill set.