Alphadawg7
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First, Pat Moran is still a complete jackass, but I did notice his latest tweet and it says a lot about why we have not been relevant in a very long time...
Per Morans tweet: "Chris Johnson's average NFL salary is more than doubled the Bills starting QB, RB, #1 WR and LT combined"
That is so very very sad and a window into why we have sucked for so long. Our 4 most important skill players on the offense (and a couple of the most important positions on any football team in general) combined earn less than HALF of what the best player of one position does on the Titans. This says more about us than it does about his contract.
This is what happens when your front office consistently tries to get by with mediocre talent at key positions like QB and LT.
PS: No, this is NOT a Ralph is cheap thread as I have never really been in that pool and still am not. Its more about how we can spend big money on so so players like Kelsay (and now maybe Parrish) and neglect to upgrade the most important areas like OL and QB. I dont blame Nix for this as they only had 2 drafts to try and fix this team and it needed a lot of fixing. They did a good job addressing needs on the D this year, so I hold out hope they can do the same with the O next year and get some OL help and a QB if Fitz doesnt improve on last year.
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lets see if he can play 16 games for the first time since the 07-08 season.
I'm in week 3 of Madden 12 and he is already out for 11 weeks lmao
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Have not finished watching the game. What I know. After 1st half, bills 1st team rested.
If not for a fake pass interference, we had them stopped on 4th and 3.... Bills keep the ball on almost the 50 yr line. Heck. Maybe we could have added to the 17....
I really study preseason with an emphasis on game 3. However the 1st 2 games were very different from the 3rd.
So what guys? Are we good.....Is there hope?
The Jags are not good on either side of the ball. Here is my issue with all this...when Fitz and the O were not looking good in the first 2 preseason games, and even camp in general, people kept saying its preseason, relax. When we got lit up by Denver, again, its preseason, so relax. Then when we do have a good performance, everyone wants to now say, "see I told you so". However, if its just "preseason" when we play bad, isnt it still just "preseason" when we play good? Why is everyone wanting to make the excuse of preseason when its a bad outing, and then turn around and say our good outings are the real Bills?
For me, I loved seeing the offense finally show some light. Easley was impressive which was also exciting. Fitz finally looked good this preseason, however, there were several balls he threw while he was still perfect that I did not like the decision as they were pretty ill advised throws where if he was even a fraction off target they will turn into pick sixes. Yes, he completed them, but given his inconsistency with his accuracy in the past, and against a better secondary, those are the kinds of throws that can easily turn into a pick six. Not taking anything away from him, it was a great outing and his TD passes were great throws right on the money. But one game like this against a bad secondary doesnt remove all my concerns about his decision making and accuracy issues that have plagued him over his career. I mean even Trent had a good game this time last year. I want nothing more than to see Fitz come out each week and have strong outings, but I will wait until I see some consistency in the regular season for I stop thinking we still need to upgrade our QB and OL to be able to get back to the playoffs.
So, for me, it was a both a good outing for us and also helped I think by the fact that Jax isnt very good. Still encouraging though, and I hope the offense can build on it. I am really pulling for Easley to take over this #2 spot by week 1 or early in the season. His physical gifts are amazing and I have liked this prospect since we took him. He by far has the most upside of the other guys competing for #2, and honestly, may even over take SJ as the #1 target here if he fulfills his potential.
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Ricky Williams was major trade to Dolphins for 4 draft picks
Jimmy Smith is a good one!
Trent Dilfer left as a free agent. He led Bucs to playoffs and twice threw over 20 TD passes while there
Donte Stallworth was traded from NO for a player and a 4th pick
Kyle Vanden Bosch is a good one!
Why should it matter how they left though? If a team gives up on them and trades them out isnt that the same thing? Thought the more important part of this conversation was players with high draft status that did not live up to it with the team that drafted them and went on to have success elsewhere. Saying they only had to be cut is really limiting the depth of this conversation. There is more than one way to part with a busted draft pick...dont resign him when his contract is up, cut him out right, or trade him. Just don't see where the relevance is in only looking at cut players.
Your definition of "bust" is severely flawed to answer the question you originally asked at the top of your OP but saying only guys you get cut. Plenty of busts get traded or leave when FA's. Nit picking on how they left the team completely skews the results. If you want to know how many players bust then go onto have success with another team, then you have to accept any way they left the team. Just my 2 cents...
And NO traded an entire draft to get Ricky and got no where near that value back.
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I think you should also add Ricky Williams to the list. While he was not a bust per say in NO, he was a disappointment. Then he left the game suddenly and was able to come back and be a good player again after so many years away.
Jimmy Smith was a 2nd round draft pick too who was a bust in 2 years in Dallas and went on to be a stud in Jax.
Trent Dilfer should be on your list given he went from a being a huge bust to a SB winning QB in Balt and was solid, not great, but solid. Still a massive turn around after he disastrous start in TB.
Jason Babin was a bust with Houston
Donte Stalworth was pretty much a bust in NO then went to Phi and lit it up with McNabb until he stupidly left for NE via FA to vanish back into irrelevancy and murder. Still, he never lived up to expectations in NO and exploded out (when healthy) in Phi.
Kyle Vanden Bosch was a bust in AZ and became a stud as soon as he got to Tenn
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Thomas Jones was the 7th pick in the draft and a bust in AZ his first 3 years. He was a stud in Chi and for the Jets.
Also, Mike Williams was a top 15 pick and out of the league and fat until Pete Carroll resurrected his career last year where he was a pretty darn good player.
There is actually quite a few first round players that never found success with the team that drafted them but went onto success elsewhere. Gets even bigger if you factor the 2nd round too.
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The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
• "I keep hearing what a great job (Bills GM) Buddy Nix is doing. The offensive line sucks. He did not address the quarterback position. (C.J.) Spiller is still struggling two years running. How do you win with (Kraig) Urbik, (Erik) Pears and Demetrius Bell starting on your offensive line? And there is nothing behind them. They paid Nick Barnett a ton of money to play in a system that he is not good at. He is a 4-3 Mike 'backer who is on the downside of his career. Who are their outside 'backers? (Chris) Kelsay and (Shawne) Merriman are old and broken down. There's nothing behind them. I'm shocked Jammie Kirlew is on an NFL roster. Buddy has been around awhile — he must have the hype machine working overtime. Unless I'm missing something, that is a bad football team."
Have at it.....
Am I missing something? You said "quotes" as in plural, from three different sources...but all I see is one quote from someone who knows little about the bills. You can tell when he says Merriman is old (which he is not) and broken down (which he has been having a great camp and preseason so far, so wrong again).
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Continued...
1- Every time Pos makes a tackle, half the people on this board will whine that someone else paid him 7M a year to leave us. The other half will laugh about how it happened "10-15 yards down the field."
2- The offense will struggle and people will blame it all on the o-line, not impatient running or bad timing in route running.
3- People will talk about who will be starting at QB by X week after Fitz throws a single bad pass.
4- People will complain we didn't sign so and so, who we may have offered a boatload of money and just didn't want to play here anyway.
You left one off...
People will roll their eyes and mock anyone concerned with our offense which has been bad in all preseason games and not exactly stellar in camp either and just boast about how its preseason and it means nothing.
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Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but has anybody ever actually seen Peter Pan, Trent Edwards and dog14787 in the same place at the same time? Sorta makes ya think...
HA...good question...HMMMM
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None of these guys are really playing anymore
Yeah, but they were all good players, even pro bowlers, after they left here (except Stroud) and are still close enough to be relevant to this discussion.
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A few big names left off this list...
Lets be real about this...players who are still playing or recently finished:
QB - Bledsoe - He isnt still playing, but he got a raw deal here and it was recent enough to put on the list...Todd Collins would be only one I would consider that is still playing.
OL - Dockery
OL - Incognito
OL - Peters
OL - Williams
RB1 - Lynch
RB2 - McGahee
WR - Evans
WR - T.O.
WR - Hardy
TE - Pick any, they have all blown
DL - Pat Williams
DL - Sam Adams
DE - Schobel (I think he mainly retired because we changed the D to a 3-4 and sucked)
DE - Maybin
DE - Stroud
LB - Fletcher
LB - Poz
LB - Spikes
DB - Clements
DB - Winfield
DB - Greer
S - Whitner
S - Leonhard
Thats not a bad team, and when you factor in the point in their careers where they were either not resigned, traded, or cut, then this list gets even more depressing as many went on to be very good for the new teams. Few were about done when we got rid of them like Stroud, any TE, and Maybin...but most still were productive, even multiple pro bowlers on this list after leaving here. And this list isnt even everyone, just the ones that initially came to mind.
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He's John Holocek's older cousin.
Or he is dog14787
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Unlike most Overdorf contracts, this contract is a bargain for the Bills.
Yeah, definitely a good signing on both sides
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I also recall all of the chatter about Evans being a "one trick pony" and people calling for him to be traded over the last three years or so. Now that it's done they want to get out their crying towel to piss and moan about it. Pretty sad.
Hold up...not everyone wanted him to be traded.
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NICE. #Bills RT @JasonLaCanfora Bills agree to 6 year, $39M deal with stud DT Kyle Williams. Includes $17M guaranteed
Let the count down begin until he is traded to a contender for a 4th round pick
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LOL, i posted the comment "So are you putting your 8 year old daughter in the middle of the thruway?"
I doubt it will ever make it past "moderation" though...
This was my exact thought too! He said nothing about that, yet essentially he wished his 8 year old get hit by a car if the story wasnt accurate...wonder how his wife is viewing that comment now after seeing this so called apology
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It's a problem with the scheme if it can't utilize a player of Lee's talents. Either that or we couldn't pass protect long enough for deep routes to develop. It's just depressing watching him tear it up. And watching Peters in pass protection. And we wonder why there are so many holes on the roster.
Exactly...you build around your talent, something this team never seems to get no matter what regime it is.
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I know it'a preseason, however isn't it supposed to be easier to complete passes in preseason?
By my math, Newton is 21 of 52 through 3 games, which is approx. a 40 % completion percentage: YIKES!
Relax...you do remember there was a lockout right? Everything out of camp is that he is the real deal...I did not want to draft him personally, but they have said he has been impressive. Judging a rookie QB in his first 3 weeks of preseason is a bit premature normally and completely stupid in a year with no OTA's...
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Who needs that game changing ability, we got like every UDFA WR in the NFL lined up to replace him and now MARTIN!!! SUPER BOWL BABY!!!
:wallbash: I have been saying it for years...put Evans on a team with a REAL QB and this guy will be a stud...He has been in Balt 2 weeks and has been the best WR on the field for the Ravens in both preseason games despite no history with Flacco...
Buffalo, the place to go to waste careers, Bills don't seem to understand how to build around your talent
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YES!!!!!!!!! I am so glad they didnt bring someone in at some useless position like OL which would have just been silly. Better to bring in a scrub WR to provide competition for the 6th, 7th, and 8th WR roster spot. SUPER BOWL BABY!!!v
We literally just stole for the other 31 teams by grabbing this stud before they realized he was still even in the league. Genius
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And now that we've traded away our only deep threat and our only formidable receiver left will be doubled most of the time, with no proven #2 WR, I'd say we're pretty screwed on 3rd and mid to long ranges. I think we're gonna have to rely on draws and screens alot more than other teams because of our bad o-line and lack of depth at WR.
Hopefully Easley or Jones can really step up. I'm not too worried about Roscoe playing slot if he can stay healthy.
And we will have many 3rd and longs just like last year...thats the sad part. 1st down run up the middle for 2 yards...2nd down throw to the outside, DB makes the easy break on the ball and gets his hands on it but drops it...3rd and 7 Fitz drops back and throws a 2 yard pass to Spiller underneath who gains 4 yardse...PUNT.
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Read Sullivan this morning and then read the comment by Chris Krueger below the article. Absolutely destroys Sullivan and he's 100% right. What does Fred Jackson think? That he's gonna go to another team and get 300 carries? Every team in the league uses a platoon system. Of course he's gonna end up with more carries than Spiller this year. They're going to try to win, which means they're gonna give carries to the back that is producing. But of course Spiller needs the touches in the preseason. I have the organization's back 100% on this one. Just as long as they don't trade him.
Yes and No...one, he should have realized a #9 draft pick making big money is going to need touches. So, to get upset that he is getting touches over him seems a bit silly since it is preseason. So, in that aspect, he should just calm down a little bit and let it play out as his play will speak for itself.
On the other hand, I don't blame him for being frustrated as he has done nothing but produce yet the FO never seems to just give him the backing he has earned. First, Lynch was brought in as a first round pick despite the staff raving about this unknown guy Jackson on our roster all off season that year. Then FJ pretty much kept proving he was the better back of the two the longer they were both here. Then with both of them on the roster, we use the #9 pick on another RB further crowding the roster.
So far, FJ has proven to be better than Lynch and thus far has been better than Spiller, but both Lynch and Spiller have gotten way more money than FJ ever did or will. So, to be a player of his caliber and keep seeing a team draft first round RB's and pay them a bounty compared to what he gets despite outperforming them would get frustrating.
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I can remember a more negative time...every time Trent Edwards stepped on the field. Made me nauseous watching that pansy completely cripple this team with his retardation and pussification of this offense on a weekly basis. I cant think of a time I enjoyed watching the Bills less than I did watching that sissy play...
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Nonsense. Of course they were doing those things to some degree or another. All teams do some of these things.
However, what I'm saying is that they were concentrating more on victory than evaluation. That is to say, concentrating more on putting on a confident show for their fans than to on practice.
I'm not knocking them for it, but I'm recognizing that the game has less meaning than if they were approaching it the same way we were. They have a new coach and they desperately need to remove the stink of Rod Marinelli who was 6-20 over his last 26 games. (and also botched MANY personnel moves such as getting rid of Cutler & probowl Brandon Marshall while drafted Tim Tebow)
Look, there's a reason that the Detroit Lions have are 2-0 preseason right now and have gone 3-1, 3-1 & 4-0 their last 4. Oh and don't forget that 4-0 preseason? that's when they went 0-16. If you're really playing to win a preseason game you're going to win it.
Look, here's an example from this game: Our left tackle D Bell was clearly getting outperformed by Dummerville & Von Miller, by Chan Gailey's own words he refused to shift protections over and refused to allow TE or RB chipping to slow them down. Thus whenever Bell was beaten that current play was in serious jeopardy of being ruined and the entire possession(!) could be ruined. And in fact both of these things happened more than once.
That is NOT playing to win the game, that is playing to evaluate how players are playing. This is not what the Denver Broncos were doing in this game.
I think you need to read the post I responded to and my original post. The claim was the Denver played that way to entertain the fans. I am not denying the intensity they brought, what I am saying is that it was not to entertain fans, that it was for the reason I listed above among other things. I already stated in several threads the meaninglessness of preseason record and sited the same Detroit Lion stats about how they went 4-0 then 0-16 in the same season. Nothing I have said has anything to do with any of that.
I was simply responding that Denver came out with intensity because thats how they wanted to play, not for the sole purpose of entertaining fans at a preseason game or watching at home. If they were concerned with entertaining fans, Tebow would have gotten in with at least the 2nd unit and had more than 2 pass attempts.
We just need to accept the fact that there will be times he has us pulling our hair out when he tries to make a play he has no chance of making. I love his moxie, but as Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations."
He will throw his share of picks, overthrow, underthrow, and throw behind his receivers. And I will say "WTF!"
But I know that most of the time he's going to make the right calls to put us in a position to make a play.
Fitz will do until we get the next franchise guy. We can certainly do worse.
GO BILLS!!!
Agree...on all accounts
Jahvid Best vs. CJ Spiller
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Where we got FJ has ZERO relevance to how good he is on the field. So, this is a pointless point...