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Are they a better team with Evans?
Do the fans deserve the best team that the Bills can field?
If Evans was instrumental in providing one more win than they'll get do you think the fans deserve that win?
What is the overall philosophy of the Bills front office when it comes to fielding the best possible product for Bills fans to enjoy?
How many rebuilding efforts do you suppose we'll have to endure before it gets done right?
29th in payroll does not tell me that the organization is interested in winning over higher profits.
Even more sad is that Chris Johnson now makes more than DOUBLE of our starting WR, LT, QB, and RB combined.
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Probably not a good idea based on today.
Dont let today sway you...as far as I can remember I dont recall you ever getting any flack for posting inside information.
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The guy starts out with a franchise QB in Bledsoe and when he gets hurt a late round QB suddenly steps in to become a multiyear Probowler? That's just dumb luck. Without Brady, that team doesn't amount to much, period.
Really? Because he won 11 games with a guy who had not started a game since HS when Brady was out for the season. BB is one of the best, if not the best, HC in football right now. As a Bills fan, I get it, people hate him...but facts are facts, the man gets it done.
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Yeah, lots of mistakes in this Madden.
One of the most annoying things has definitely been calling Dareus by the wrong name. Also, how on earth does he not at least get the "first round pick" role as the #3 pick in the draft or one of the other roles? In fact, the Bills got hosed in that department.
The next most annoying thing is listening to the exact same speech of every single beginning of the game. They say the exact same statement about SJ every single game...really stupid. They also say the exact same QB lines every game.
Game play is cool, but they really need to clean it up with an update. The front 7 plays like a beast and tearing up the run game with Spiller and FJ. Also, pretty annoying they dont even have Easley as one of the 5 WR's and you have to find him down below in the other section to plug him in. I made him the #2 and he has been money.
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ESPN's Adam Schefter just reported Trent Edwards is likely to be cut, what was Bill Walsh thinking?
He never looked to be prototypical, he never had that gun slingers mentality all of the great ones have.Other surprise cuts he predicted included Steve Slayton and Golden Tate.
Probably was thinking the same thing he was thinking when he said Jim Drunkenmiller was the next Montana when he drafted him. Or the same thing when he traded up to get JJ Stokes and said he was the next Rice...
Seriously, the whole Walsh thing was hilarious. Because he was a great coach for the 49ers and won SB's people acted like he was the "Be all, End all" when it came to scouting. Truth is, he is a legend, one of the best all time, but just like every other great, he was wrong more often than he was right. Just some of the times he was right, he was really right. Thats what the greats do. The "Walsh endorsed him" excuse to defend Trent was one of the stupidest things I have seen on this board, especially given how long he had been away from the game when he said that.
I think that hit ruined him. Compare Edwards before and after that AZ game hit. Night and day. Sad.
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Oh come on man, that hit was not career defining. He was not very good before or after that hit.
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(7 years) haha. I agree, the bills probably should have drafted at least a left tackle in that time, but they did have Peters for a portion of it
Yeah, my mistake was looking at the Bills first round history I just counted down not taking into consideration that we had multiple first rounders in a couple of years (Peters trade, trading up for McCargo). I just glanced at it and only looked at the list of players and not the draft year.
The poster I responded to only mentioned QB, RB, and WR. No mention of an OT in his post.
Not saying we drafted them in the last five years, either. My point was that we've had three 1st round picks at those positions (again, QB, RB, WR per the post I was responding to), all on the same team, within the last five years.
Losman was not 11 years ago, BTW.
I don't disagree that they make bad football decisions. Nor did I take your OP as a "Ralph is cheap" diatribe.
GO BILLS!!!
Gotcha, I misunderstood what you wrote...thought you said we took one at each position the last 5 years. And yeah, I know Losman wasnt 11 years ago...like I said I made the mistake of counting draft picks not draft years when I first glanced at the list in a rush...my bad.
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Losman 11 years ago? He was drafted in '04. As was evans. Dont know where you pulled those numbers from..
Oops, my bad, over looked that in a couple years we had more than 1 first round pick when I quickly looked over the draft history...still, the point was he said last 5 years...we have not addressed QB, WR, or LT in last 5 years in the first round...
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OK, but to balance that out a bit, the Bills have had 1st round draft choices at ALL of those positions within the last five years.
Problem with this team is drafting more than anything else.
GO BILLS!!!
Sorry K-9, dont know where you got your facts from, but thats even close to what we have done in the last 5 years. We have not drafted all those positions in the first round the last 5 years. Last 1st round QB was Losman in 2004...Last 1st round OT was Williams in 2002...Last 1st round WR was Evans in 2004. The only position we took in the first round the last 5 years was a RB (Spiller) with Lynch and McGahee in the past 8 years.
That is my point...if you notice, I said in my OP that this is not a "Ralph is cheap" thread as I am not in that camp and never really have been. This is more about the ineptness of this teams overall ability to make good football decisions. As another poster pointed out, try and find another team, especially a good team, where their #1 WR, #1 RB, QB, and LT are all 7th rounders or UDFA's. Our draft history is very poor with hardly any of them panning out, and the ones that do we dont retain.
This is not a situation where one player makes more than 4 key ones combined...he makes DOUBLE what our four most important offensive players make combined, and his contract is not that big, almost the same as DeAngelo's. Its not like he got $100 million or something.
The title of the thread should be "Meaningless that has nothing to do with the Bills".
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LOL...I love that its so meaningless yet you felt you needed to commit the time to post a worthless comment...nice job
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thats really not a fair comparrison to make, because Johnson is getting paid as one of the top players in the league.
At one point a couple of years ago, the Bills had some of the highest paid o-linemen in the league, and they still sucked (Dockery and Walker)
How is it not a fair comparison? He makes DOUBLE what our 4 most important offensive players make combined.
And I hear what you are saying about the OL, but it was so highly paid because Hutchinson set the market with a then record deal and we were forced to way over pay for mediocre talent. We never go after the real talent, just over pay for the next lower tier.
I have only one question: Why on earth would you be following this guy's tweets?
I dont, in fact I dont even use Twitter. I just went on to show my friend the story about Merriman as he is a big fan of his (he is a Chargers fan) and had not heard the story. Thats when we saw the latest tweet...
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And the fact that a RB taken in the top 10 can't unseat an undrafted RB from Coe College makes it even more pathetic. Thanks for making another case for me.
A half healthy Best is better than a fully healthy Spiller. And that's pathetic.
Where we got FJ has ZERO relevance to how good he is on the field. So, this is a pointless point...
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First, Pat Moran is still a complete jackass, but I did notice his latest tweet and it says a lot about why we have not been relevant in a very long time...
Per Morans tweet: "Chris Johnson's average NFL salary is more than doubled the Bills starting QB, RB, #1 WR and LT combined"
That is so very very sad and a window into why we have sucked for so long. Our 4 most important skill players on the offense (and a couple of the most important positions on any football team in general) combined earn less than HALF of what the best player of one position does on the Titans. This says more about us than it does about his contract.
This is what happens when your front office consistently tries to get by with mediocre talent at key positions like QB and LT.
PS: No, this is NOT a Ralph is cheap thread as I have never really been in that pool and still am not. Its more about how we can spend big money on so so players like Kelsay (and now maybe Parrish) and neglect to upgrade the most important areas like OL and QB. I dont blame Nix for this as they only had 2 drafts to try and fix this team and it needed a lot of fixing. They did a good job addressing needs on the D this year, so I hold out hope they can do the same with the O next year and get some OL help and a QB if Fitz doesnt improve on last year.
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lets see if he can play 16 games for the first time since the 07-08 season.
I'm in week 3 of Madden 12 and he is already out for 11 weeks lmao
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Have not finished watching the game. What I know. After 1st half, bills 1st team rested.
If not for a fake pass interference, we had them stopped on 4th and 3.... Bills keep the ball on almost the 50 yr line. Heck. Maybe we could have added to the 17....
I really study preseason with an emphasis on game 3. However the 1st 2 games were very different from the 3rd.
So what guys? Are we good.....Is there hope?
The Jags are not good on either side of the ball. Here is my issue with all this...when Fitz and the O were not looking good in the first 2 preseason games, and even camp in general, people kept saying its preseason, relax. When we got lit up by Denver, again, its preseason, so relax. Then when we do have a good performance, everyone wants to now say, "see I told you so". However, if its just "preseason" when we play bad, isnt it still just "preseason" when we play good? Why is everyone wanting to make the excuse of preseason when its a bad outing, and then turn around and say our good outings are the real Bills?
For me, I loved seeing the offense finally show some light. Easley was impressive which was also exciting. Fitz finally looked good this preseason, however, there were several balls he threw while he was still perfect that I did not like the decision as they were pretty ill advised throws where if he was even a fraction off target they will turn into pick sixes. Yes, he completed them, but given his inconsistency with his accuracy in the past, and against a better secondary, those are the kinds of throws that can easily turn into a pick six. Not taking anything away from him, it was a great outing and his TD passes were great throws right on the money. But one game like this against a bad secondary doesnt remove all my concerns about his decision making and accuracy issues that have plagued him over his career. I mean even Trent had a good game this time last year. I want nothing more than to see Fitz come out each week and have strong outings, but I will wait until I see some consistency in the regular season for I stop thinking we still need to upgrade our QB and OL to be able to get back to the playoffs.
So, for me, it was a both a good outing for us and also helped I think by the fact that Jax isnt very good. Still encouraging though, and I hope the offense can build on it. I am really pulling for Easley to take over this #2 spot by week 1 or early in the season. His physical gifts are amazing and I have liked this prospect since we took him. He by far has the most upside of the other guys competing for #2, and honestly, may even over take SJ as the #1 target here if he fulfills his potential.
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Ricky Williams was major trade to Dolphins for 4 draft picks
Jimmy Smith is a good one!
Trent Dilfer left as a free agent. He led Bucs to playoffs and twice threw over 20 TD passes while there
Donte Stallworth was traded from NO for a player and a 4th pick
Kyle Vanden Bosch is a good one!
Why should it matter how they left though? If a team gives up on them and trades them out isnt that the same thing? Thought the more important part of this conversation was players with high draft status that did not live up to it with the team that drafted them and went on to have success elsewhere. Saying they only had to be cut is really limiting the depth of this conversation. There is more than one way to part with a busted draft pick...dont resign him when his contract is up, cut him out right, or trade him. Just don't see where the relevance is in only looking at cut players.
Your definition of "bust" is severely flawed to answer the question you originally asked at the top of your OP but saying only guys you get cut. Plenty of busts get traded or leave when FA's. Nit picking on how they left the team completely skews the results. If you want to know how many players bust then go onto have success with another team, then you have to accept any way they left the team. Just my 2 cents...
And NO traded an entire draft to get Ricky and got no where near that value back.
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I think you should also add Ricky Williams to the list. While he was not a bust per say in NO, he was a disappointment. Then he left the game suddenly and was able to come back and be a good player again after so many years away.
Jimmy Smith was a 2nd round draft pick too who was a bust in 2 years in Dallas and went on to be a stud in Jax.
Trent Dilfer should be on your list given he went from a being a huge bust to a SB winning QB in Balt and was solid, not great, but solid. Still a massive turn around after he disastrous start in TB.
Jason Babin was a bust with Houston
Donte Stalworth was pretty much a bust in NO then went to Phi and lit it up with McNabb until he stupidly left for NE via FA to vanish back into irrelevancy and murder. Still, he never lived up to expectations in NO and exploded out (when healthy) in Phi.
Kyle Vanden Bosch was a bust in AZ and became a stud as soon as he got to Tenn
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Thomas Jones was the 7th pick in the draft and a bust in AZ his first 3 years. He was a stud in Chi and for the Jets.
Also, Mike Williams was a top 15 pick and out of the league and fat until Pete Carroll resurrected his career last year where he was a pretty darn good player.
There is actually quite a few first round players that never found success with the team that drafted them but went onto success elsewhere. Gets even bigger if you factor the 2nd round too.
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The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
• "I keep hearing what a great job (Bills GM) Buddy Nix is doing. The offensive line sucks. He did not address the quarterback position. (C.J.) Spiller is still struggling two years running. How do you win with (Kraig) Urbik, (Erik) Pears and Demetrius Bell starting on your offensive line? And there is nothing behind them. They paid Nick Barnett a ton of money to play in a system that he is not good at. He is a 4-3 Mike 'backer who is on the downside of his career. Who are their outside 'backers? (Chris) Kelsay and (Shawne) Merriman are old and broken down. There's nothing behind them. I'm shocked Jammie Kirlew is on an NFL roster. Buddy has been around awhile — he must have the hype machine working overtime. Unless I'm missing something, that is a bad football team."
Have at it.....
Am I missing something? You said "quotes" as in plural, from three different sources...but all I see is one quote from someone who knows little about the bills. You can tell when he says Merriman is old (which he is not) and broken down (which he has been having a great camp and preseason so far, so wrong again).
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Continued...
1- Every time Pos makes a tackle, half the people on this board will whine that someone else paid him 7M a year to leave us. The other half will laugh about how it happened "10-15 yards down the field."
2- The offense will struggle and people will blame it all on the o-line, not impatient running or bad timing in route running.
3- People will talk about who will be starting at QB by X week after Fitz throws a single bad pass.
4- People will complain we didn't sign so and so, who we may have offered a boatload of money and just didn't want to play here anyway.
You left one off...
People will roll their eyes and mock anyone concerned with our offense which has been bad in all preseason games and not exactly stellar in camp either and just boast about how its preseason and it means nothing.
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Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but has anybody ever actually seen Peter Pan, Trent Edwards and dog14787 in the same place at the same time? Sorta makes ya think...
HA...good question...HMMMM
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None of these guys are really playing anymore
Yeah, but they were all good players, even pro bowlers, after they left here (except Stroud) and are still close enough to be relevant to this discussion.
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A few big names left off this list...
Lets be real about this...players who are still playing or recently finished:
QB - Bledsoe - He isnt still playing, but he got a raw deal here and it was recent enough to put on the list...Todd Collins would be only one I would consider that is still playing.
OL - Dockery
OL - Incognito
OL - Peters
OL - Williams
RB1 - Lynch
RB2 - McGahee
WR - Evans
WR - T.O.
WR - Hardy
TE - Pick any, they have all blown
DL - Pat Williams
DL - Sam Adams
DE - Schobel (I think he mainly retired because we changed the D to a 3-4 and sucked)
DE - Maybin
DE - Stroud
LB - Fletcher
LB - Poz
LB - Spikes
DB - Clements
DB - Winfield
DB - Greer
S - Whitner
S - Leonhard
Thats not a bad team, and when you factor in the point in their careers where they were either not resigned, traded, or cut, then this list gets even more depressing as many went on to be very good for the new teams. Few were about done when we got rid of them like Stroud, any TE, and Maybin...but most still were productive, even multiple pro bowlers on this list after leaving here. And this list isnt even everyone, just the ones that initially came to mind.
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He's John Holocek's older cousin.
Or he is dog14787
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Unlike most Overdorf contracts, this contract is a bargain for the Bills.
Yeah, definitely a good signing on both sides
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I also recall all of the chatter about Evans being a "one trick pony" and people calling for him to be traded over the last three years or so. Now that it's done they want to get out their crying towel to piss and moan about it. Pretty sad.
Hold up...not everyone wanted him to be traded.
Aaron Maybin watch... Gets Cut Again
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lol...you contradict yourself in back to back sentences...You just said you guarantee he doesnt make the team...then follow it up with "IF he does"...if you guarantee he wont make the team, how is there a possibility of "if" he makes the team?