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The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
• "I keep hearing what a great job (Bills GM) Buddy Nix is doing. The offensive line sucks. He did not address the quarterback position. (C.J.) Spiller is still struggling two years running. How do you win with (Kraig) Urbik, (Erik) Pears and Demetrius Bell starting on your offensive line? And there is nothing behind them. They paid Nick Barnett a ton of money to play in a system that he is not good at. He is a 4-3 Mike 'backer who is on the downside of his career. Who are their outside 'backers? (Chris) Kelsay and (Shawne) Merriman are old and broken down. There's nothing behind them. I'm shocked Jammie Kirlew is on an NFL roster. Buddy has been around awhile — he must have the hype machine working overtime. Unless I'm missing something, that is a bad football team."
Have at it.....
Am I missing something? You said "quotes" as in plural, from three different sources...but all I see is one quote from someone who knows little about the bills. You can tell when he says Merriman is old (which he is not) and broken down (which he has been having a great camp and preseason so far, so wrong again).
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Continued...
1- Every time Pos makes a tackle, half the people on this board will whine that someone else paid him 7M a year to leave us. The other half will laugh about how it happened "10-15 yards down the field."
2- The offense will struggle and people will blame it all on the o-line, not impatient running or bad timing in route running.
3- People will talk about who will be starting at QB by X week after Fitz throws a single bad pass.
4- People will complain we didn't sign so and so, who we may have offered a boatload of money and just didn't want to play here anyway.
You left one off...
People will roll their eyes and mock anyone concerned with our offense which has been bad in all preseason games and not exactly stellar in camp either and just boast about how its preseason and it means nothing.
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Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but has anybody ever actually seen Peter Pan, Trent Edwards and dog14787 in the same place at the same time? Sorta makes ya think...
HA...good question...HMMMM
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None of these guys are really playing anymore
Yeah, but they were all good players, even pro bowlers, after they left here (except Stroud) and are still close enough to be relevant to this discussion.
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A few big names left off this list...
Lets be real about this...players who are still playing or recently finished:
QB - Bledsoe - He isnt still playing, but he got a raw deal here and it was recent enough to put on the list...Todd Collins would be only one I would consider that is still playing.
OL - Dockery
OL - Incognito
OL - Peters
OL - Williams
RB1 - Lynch
RB2 - McGahee
WR - Evans
WR - T.O.
WR - Hardy
TE - Pick any, they have all blown
DL - Pat Williams
DL - Sam Adams
DE - Schobel (I think he mainly retired because we changed the D to a 3-4 and sucked)
DE - Maybin
DE - Stroud
LB - Fletcher
LB - Poz
LB - Spikes
DB - Clements
DB - Winfield
DB - Greer
S - Whitner
S - Leonhard
Thats not a bad team, and when you factor in the point in their careers where they were either not resigned, traded, or cut, then this list gets even more depressing as many went on to be very good for the new teams. Few were about done when we got rid of them like Stroud, any TE, and Maybin...but most still were productive, even multiple pro bowlers on this list after leaving here. And this list isnt even everyone, just the ones that initially came to mind.
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He's John Holocek's older cousin.
Or he is dog14787
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Unlike most Overdorf contracts, this contract is a bargain for the Bills.
Yeah, definitely a good signing on both sides
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I also recall all of the chatter about Evans being a "one trick pony" and people calling for him to be traded over the last three years or so. Now that it's done they want to get out their crying towel to piss and moan about it. Pretty sad.
Hold up...not everyone wanted him to be traded.
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NICE. #Bills RT @JasonLaCanfora Bills agree to 6 year, $39M deal with stud DT Kyle Williams. Includes $17M guaranteed
Let the count down begin until he is traded to a contender for a 4th round pick
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LOL, i posted the comment "So are you putting your 8 year old daughter in the middle of the thruway?"
I doubt it will ever make it past "moderation" though...
This was my exact thought too! He said nothing about that, yet essentially he wished his 8 year old get hit by a car if the story wasnt accurate...wonder how his wife is viewing that comment now after seeing this so called apology
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It's a problem with the scheme if it can't utilize a player of Lee's talents. Either that or we couldn't pass protect long enough for deep routes to develop. It's just depressing watching him tear it up. And watching Peters in pass protection. And we wonder why there are so many holes on the roster.
Exactly...you build around your talent, something this team never seems to get no matter what regime it is.
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I know it'a preseason, however isn't it supposed to be easier to complete passes in preseason?
By my math, Newton is 21 of 52 through 3 games, which is approx. a 40 % completion percentage: YIKES!
Relax...you do remember there was a lockout right? Everything out of camp is that he is the real deal...I did not want to draft him personally, but they have said he has been impressive. Judging a rookie QB in his first 3 weeks of preseason is a bit premature normally and completely stupid in a year with no OTA's...
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Who needs that game changing ability, we got like every UDFA WR in the NFL lined up to replace him and now MARTIN!!! SUPER BOWL BABY!!!
:wallbash: I have been saying it for years...put Evans on a team with a REAL QB and this guy will be a stud...He has been in Balt 2 weeks and has been the best WR on the field for the Ravens in both preseason games despite no history with Flacco...
Buffalo, the place to go to waste careers, Bills don't seem to understand how to build around your talent
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YES!!!!!!!!! I am so glad they didnt bring someone in at some useless position like OL which would have just been silly. Better to bring in a scrub WR to provide competition for the 6th, 7th, and 8th WR roster spot. SUPER BOWL BABY!!!v
We literally just stole for the other 31 teams by grabbing this stud before they realized he was still even in the league. Genius
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And now that we've traded away our only deep threat and our only formidable receiver left will be doubled most of the time, with no proven #2 WR, I'd say we're pretty screwed on 3rd and mid to long ranges. I think we're gonna have to rely on draws and screens alot more than other teams because of our bad o-line and lack of depth at WR.
Hopefully Easley or Jones can really step up. I'm not too worried about Roscoe playing slot if he can stay healthy.
And we will have many 3rd and longs just like last year...thats the sad part. 1st down run up the middle for 2 yards...2nd down throw to the outside, DB makes the easy break on the ball and gets his hands on it but drops it...3rd and 7 Fitz drops back and throws a 2 yard pass to Spiller underneath who gains 4 yardse...PUNT.
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Read Sullivan this morning and then read the comment by Chris Krueger below the article. Absolutely destroys Sullivan and he's 100% right. What does Fred Jackson think? That he's gonna go to another team and get 300 carries? Every team in the league uses a platoon system. Of course he's gonna end up with more carries than Spiller this year. They're going to try to win, which means they're gonna give carries to the back that is producing. But of course Spiller needs the touches in the preseason. I have the organization's back 100% on this one. Just as long as they don't trade him.
Yes and No...one, he should have realized a #9 draft pick making big money is going to need touches. So, to get upset that he is getting touches over him seems a bit silly since it is preseason. So, in that aspect, he should just calm down a little bit and let it play out as his play will speak for itself.
On the other hand, I don't blame him for being frustrated as he has done nothing but produce yet the FO never seems to just give him the backing he has earned. First, Lynch was brought in as a first round pick despite the staff raving about this unknown guy Jackson on our roster all off season that year. Then FJ pretty much kept proving he was the better back of the two the longer they were both here. Then with both of them on the roster, we use the #9 pick on another RB further crowding the roster.
So far, FJ has proven to be better than Lynch and thus far has been better than Spiller, but both Lynch and Spiller have gotten way more money than FJ ever did or will. So, to be a player of his caliber and keep seeing a team draft first round RB's and pay them a bounty compared to what he gets despite outperforming them would get frustrating.
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I can remember a more negative time...every time Trent Edwards stepped on the field. Made me nauseous watching that pansy completely cripple this team with his retardation and pussification of this offense on a weekly basis. I cant think of a time I enjoyed watching the Bills less than I did watching that sissy play...
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Nonsense. Of course they were doing those things to some degree or another. All teams do some of these things.
However, what I'm saying is that they were concentrating more on victory than evaluation. That is to say, concentrating more on putting on a confident show for their fans than to on practice.
I'm not knocking them for it, but I'm recognizing that the game has less meaning than if they were approaching it the same way we were. They have a new coach and they desperately need to remove the stink of Rod Marinelli who was 6-20 over his last 26 games. (and also botched MANY personnel moves such as getting rid of Cutler & probowl Brandon Marshall while drafted Tim Tebow)
Look, there's a reason that the Detroit Lions have are 2-0 preseason right now and have gone 3-1, 3-1 & 4-0 their last 4. Oh and don't forget that 4-0 preseason? that's when they went 0-16. If you're really playing to win a preseason game you're going to win it.
Look, here's an example from this game: Our left tackle D Bell was clearly getting outperformed by Dummerville & Von Miller, by Chan Gailey's own words he refused to shift protections over and refused to allow TE or RB chipping to slow them down. Thus whenever Bell was beaten that current play was in serious jeopardy of being ruined and the entire possession(!) could be ruined. And in fact both of these things happened more than once.
That is NOT playing to win the game, that is playing to evaluate how players are playing. This is not what the Denver Broncos were doing in this game.
I think you need to read the post I responded to and my original post. The claim was the Denver played that way to entertain the fans. I am not denying the intensity they brought, what I am saying is that it was not to entertain fans, that it was for the reason I listed above among other things. I already stated in several threads the meaninglessness of preseason record and sited the same Detroit Lion stats about how they went 4-0 then 0-16 in the same season. Nothing I have said has anything to do with any of that.
I was simply responding that Denver came out with intensity because thats how they wanted to play, not for the sole purpose of entertaining fans at a preseason game or watching at home. If they were concerned with entertaining fans, Tebow would have gotten in with at least the 2nd unit and had more than 2 pass attempts.
We just need to accept the fact that there will be times he has us pulling our hair out when he tries to make a play he has no chance of making. I love his moxie, but as Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations."
He will throw his share of picks, overthrow, underthrow, and throw behind his receivers. And I will say "WTF!"
But I know that most of the time he's going to make the right calls to put us in a position to make a play.
Fitz will do until we get the next franchise guy. We can certainly do worse.
GO BILLS!!!
Agree...on all accounts
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Perhaps I should have emphasized "in terms of owning a defense" more. I simply meant that he made the proper reads, adjustments, and RE-adjustments every time in that game and that's not done too often against Ray Lewis and the Ravens. It just isn't. I intentionally draw the distinction between "passing" and "quarterbacking" and Fitz was great at quarterbacking that day. With your experience in the game I know you can appreciate the difference between a quarterback and a passer.
We can both agree that his passing needs work. And I don't think much can be done to improve his accuracy at this point. I don't dispute that at all.
But the OP's entire point as I read it was that he didn't witness Fitz performing the mental aspects of quarterbacking and he clearly has. That was my point.
GO BILLS!!!
Fair enough, and I don't disagree with what you are saying in this post...it was just how you wrote your original post that threw me for a loop of such ownage of the Ravens. Fitz did have a great game, especially in comparison to the crap QB's of recent years, but he also made critical mistakes which gave away 14 quick points. I truly do love how he plays and cross my fingers he figures out how to step it up. I just havent seen anything to give me the optimism that he can at this stage in his career.
I will be the first to admit that the Ravens game is sore spot for me. I just get so tired of hearing about this one game, and game we lost, as if its proves he is this divine QB. People always site this game and ignore his overall poor body of work in the ensuing 9 weeks to end the season where he was one of the lowest rated QB's in the league over that span with more turnovers than TD's.
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Yes, I said "since 2002" (meaning after 2002).
I know, I was agreeing with you
Do yourself a favor and watch a replay of the Ravens game from last season. That was the best piece of QBing we've had since Kelly in terms of absolutely owning a defense. He had one of the best defenses in the league absolutely fooled. And I've never seen Ray Lewis get fooled like he was by Fitzpatrick. He had the Ravens guessing wrong the entire game.
As for Fitz's physical limitations (i.e. accuracy) I'm not sure he can do much to improve. And he will hurt at times as a result. But in terms of putting the O in the best position to beat a defense, I'm convinced he will do that far more often than not.
GO BILLS!!!
HAHAHAHA come on man. First off, everyone knew that last year the Achilles heal and suspect part of the Ravens D was pass defense. Secondly, you have a selective memory because Fitz sure didnt have them fooled when Fitz came out with a double digit half time lead and proceeded to throw two terrible INT's to the same Ravens D that was so masterfully fooled that gave away our double digit lead away for good as they scored a TD off of each turnover. Geezus, this is getting deep in here today...lmao
I swear, people act like it was the Ravens D that won them the SB he did this to. Not to mention, WE LOST, and a big reason we lost was because our double digit lead evaporated off of Fitz's 2 awful 3rd qtr INT's. And, it was ONE...let me repeat ONE game. How did he do in the very next 9 games to finish the season after Balt? Let me help, 12 TD's (and 4 were in one game), 16 turnovers, 56% comp, and a QB rating of 70 and against mostly lesser quality opponents. Hmmm...I wonder what sample size is more representative of his level of expected play...one fluke game unlike any game he has played in his career, or just about every other game he has played as a professional QB including the 9 games following that mythical Balt game (that we lost) where his comp % is bad, TD to turnovers is bad, and rating is bad.
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To clarify: I don't think he's a potential franchise QB. He's way too inaccurate to cover for his interception proclivity (unlike Kurt Warner). He's certainly not the answer, but I think you're criticizing him for the wrong reasons. He clearly understands what's going on out there; he just makes a lot of bad plays. That said, he probably had the best season by a Bills QB since 2002.
Best season by a Bills QB since 2002 was Bledsoe, hands down.
Let me clarify too...I am not criticizing what he is good at...pre snap reads. What I am saying is that his "awareness" is not as good as his ability to read the D pre snap. There is a distinct difference once the ball is hiked and bodies are flying. The OP is talking about his awareness, and some people don't seem to see understand how that is different from being intelligent and able to stand at the LOS and look out over the D and make a call.
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Gailey has often spoke in public about Fitz's great ability to read defenses pre-snap, know where to go with the ball, and get the ball to the right player to make plays. In fact, Fitz was making some of the line calls for the center last year. And Gailey doesn't usually throw around superlatives like most coaches.
Pre-season, you are simply not going to tell, good or bad, at all, whether a QB can read defenses pre-snap, or after the snap for that matter. If he was making great reads pre-snap in pre-season it wouldn't mean anything either.
That said, the entire passing game is not in sync right now, due to numerous issues including no off-season, no continuity on the line, new players, old players out with injury, Gailey trying to see certain things at the total expense of trying to get the most yards out of every single play, etc.
Totally agree with everything you said. And yes, Gailey has said that...and then also went out and said they want to go out and find a QB that can be the man for the next 10 years who isnt Fitz. Fitz is only 27, he is plenty young enough to be the man for the next 8 to 10 years...if they thought he could be. So they continued to praise him publicly as he was their QB knowing they need to show support to him because he was going to be our starter this year regardless if we drafted a QB. And you cant praise his accuracy...you cant praise his turnover ratio...about the only thing they can praise his intelligence and ability to call plays at the line. Not saying he is not good at that, I am sure he is, but what else can they say other than things like that because they certainly cant praise his stat lines, arm strength, accuracy, etc.
So, to show support, I feel like the staff over states this to be able to keep publicly supporting him as he is our starter. Again, I am sure he is great at pre snap reads, but that is not the same thing as field awareness once the ball is snapped.
I disagree completely. This was all about the fans. They blitzed, and blitzed and blitzed in the SECOND pre-season game in a year with a shortened off-season. This was their first home game of pre-season as they opened in Dallas.
They were 32nd in the league in points allowed and yards allowed per game. They had a HORRIBLE record and defensive stats last year and were trying to get the fans excited about their team's defense again.
This was a show for the folks at home.
So let me understand this...you think it makes more sense to assume they decided to Blitz us to get the fan base excited rather than any of the following:
1. New coaches and schemes - players did NOT have any experience playing at full game speed in this new system, and they need to do so in preseason in order to be ready for week 1.
2. John Fox is a defensive coach - he wants his D to play a certain way and with a certain intensity...so rather than hope they turn it on week 1, he wanted them to come out like that in one of the 2 most important preseason games (preseason games 2 and 3)
3. They wanted to evaluate the players at full speed since they already were short changed with the lockout and he has not seen them in person at full speed ever since its his first year there.
4. Preseason game 2 and 3 are critical evaluation games for your starters and many teams run full speed.
None of those reasons make more sense to you than they did it, risked injuries, etc to simply entertain the fans at a preseason game? This really makes more sense to you?
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Yea but that doesnt explain the awful performance. Completing less than 50% of your passes against crummy D isnt explained away by a good day rushing.
I am glad Fitz > Edwards and many before him. But he is not going to be the answer and it will play out this season. I think we are in for a dose of reality of where this team really is. I do btw think the personnel moves are trending in the right direction but it takes a long time to turn a crappy ship around.
Totally agree...he is much better than what we had, but I have yet to see any signs that he is making any improvements. I like him and love how he plays, so would LOVE nothing more than for him to take it to the next level, I just don't see it happening unfortunately.
He was 20-28 in his first game against NE last year, the one in which (ahem) Lee Evans actually played.
When Fitz came in last year, he was the first Bills QB to play who didn't look like a sack waiting to happen. Seriously, after he took over, for the first time in a decade every other play didn't look like a defensive jail break. That's because he acted quickly and decisively. As for making the occasional bad throw, I chalk that up to his initial tutelage under Martz, who has always taught his QBs to take risks in order to move the ball towards the goal line (very different from Jauron). It's a good philosophy, generally speaking, but it will lead to some bad picks. But it's crazy to criticize Fitz for not acting quickly and decisively given how horrible the offensive line is. Fitz was sacked only 24 times in 13 games, which has to be some sort of modern record for the Bills.
That stat line in NE was very deceiving...he was very ineffective in that game and his numbers were padded because for his first game they ran a lot of screens and short dump offs. If it wasn't for Spillers 2nd half KO ret for a TD, we would have been down 23 in the 4th. And, his accuracy was greatly helped in the 4th when we were down 16 and NE started playing prevent and we had guys running open all over the field and we got a garbage time TD. Stat lines can be an illusion...and as the offense opened up more, his accuracy plummeted through the rest of the season.
In fact, at first glance his stat line in the next 2 games doesnt look terrible, but he was awful and got a lot of stats help literally with a TD in the final minutes of bad blowout losses. Then the 4th game was Balt. So in his first 4 games, only Balt was really any good. Then in the 9 games after Balt, he had 12 TD's (4 happened in one game, Cincy) with 16 turnovers, a 56% comp, and 70 QB rating and was among the lowest rated QB's in the NFL. So, you can have your one sample of completing a high percentage and will evaluate the rest of his season and his entire career.
So, great, he only took 24 sacks...too bad he wasn't a better QB when he wasn't getting sacked.
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Re: Edwards' intelligence v. Fitz's intelligence, you're neglecting to mention a key thing. Stanford is and always has been a big time football school. If you're of average intelligence and have blue chip ability (which Edwards certainly had coming out of high school), they'll be very happy to take you. Edwards was no rocket scientist, but he was a big guy with a big arm who won a ton of games in HS. He was one of the top recruits in the country.
Harvard doesn't offer athletic scholarships. 'Nuff said.
One more thing:
Edwards' Wonderlic score -- 31
Fitz's Wonderlic score -- 48
One similarity doesn't necessarily mean there are other similarities.
I understand that...I was not making that conclusion but saying a lot of others do. Like Trent, Fitz gets a greater assumed awareness based on the school he went to. Trent was argued by many on this board until they were blue in the fact that he was so "smart" unlike JP because they assumed it from the fact he went to Stanford. Fitz, similarly, gets a lot of credit for be so "smart" and "aware" on the field because he went to Harvard. And no doubt, Fitz is probably a very intelligent person. But this thread is not about "intelligence" its about "awareness" and they are not the same thing. But most posters don't seem to understand the difference in the two and assume one equals the other.
He may be very intelligent, but that doesn't mean that when the ball is snapped that his awareness level during a play equals his intelligence.
Can a bust on one team be a star on another?
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Thomas Jones was the 7th pick in the draft and a bust in AZ his first 3 years. He was a stud in Chi and for the Jets.
Also, Mike Williams was a top 15 pick and out of the league and fat until Pete Carroll resurrected his career last year where he was a pretty darn good player.
There is actually quite a few first round players that never found success with the team that drafted them but went onto success elsewhere. Gets even bigger if you factor the 2nd round too.