Mark80

Derek Carr - 16 GP, 58.1% Comp, 21 TDs, 12 Picks, 5.5 yards/attempt, 76.6 Rating Teddy Bridgewater - 13 GP, 64.4%, 14/12, 7.3 y/a, 85.2 Rating EJ - 14 GP, 58.6%, 16/12, 6.4 y/a, 78.5 Rating So how exactly do either of those two guys look to be much better than EJ? Not to mention the complete ineptitude that EJ has been dealing with in play calling, putting an OLine out there that can't block anyone up the middle, missing virtually his entire rookie training camp, and playing many games well short of 100% health wise. I'm interested to see what EJ can do with some competence in the offensive coaching.

I was speaking in theory. While I agree he is most likely better than EJ on a pure talent level, I just wouldn't want him as a leader and face of my franchise (which all QBs really are...or should be). EJ has him blown away on that aspect.

I'm going to make a bold statement. I believe that Jameis Winston will be available at #19. I also believe that he is the best pure QB in this draft. I still wouldn't want the Bills to draft him though.

Very, very few QBs win Super Bowls on teams that did not draft them. I want a Super Bowl. Therefore, draft QBs until we get it right.

I don't think he's coming out this year.

It's not bad, per se, but it is concerning. Not sure if you are referring to my post or not, but I said it's is concerning because he never really had to throw balls in to tight windows there. Their scheme (like Oregon's) gets receivers wide open. Any NFL prospect should be able to make those throws (yes, insert EJ joke here). But, reading an NFL defense where you have to anticipate the openings before they occur and the windows are often miniscule is a much different animal than throwing to guys that are wide open. It's the difference between a career back up and a guy that can take you to the promise land. Can he do it? Maybe, he just never had to yet. I also said that he does seem to hit most of those guys in stride which points to good accuracy but AT THIS POINT, before workouts etc., I wouldn't take him in the second round. And the only NFL team that runs anything close to those schemes are the Eagles and other teams adjusted to it this season and the results weren't nearly as successful as last year.

There is no way I can see this being a HC thing. He has failed way too many times in way too many places to get an NFL head coaching job again. OC? That may be interesting.

I feel like a 21 year old multi-millionaire who is a professional athlete with a bright future on the team he grew up rooting for. In other words, I feel pretty damn good.

I think that is a bit of a stretch, don't you? People watch NFL football regardless of who is playing especially in the playoffs. This is not MLB. However, that call was absurd yesterday. To everyone saying that it was not a penalty, do you not see him clearly pulling down Pettigrew's right arm just before the ball gets there? I mean, it's not even close. And yes, how the hell does Dez Bryant not get called for a penalty on that play for storming out onto the field without his helmet on to argue with the Refs??? That may be the most egregious part of the whole thing. It's doesn't get any more clear cut than that.

Petty looks good from a distance, but I would be concerned with the scheme they run. Like Mariotta, who I'm not a huge fan of at this point, Petty throws to wide open receivers all the time. Granted, when I've watched he usually hits these wide open guys in stride resulting in huge plays, but I would be concerned if he can recognize the holes you need to throw into in the NFL before they develop and if he has the true accuracy to do it. Right now, for me, no higher than 3rd. I still grade them out as Mariotta mid 1st, Wisnton late 1st early 2nd, Hundley mid to late 2nd, Petty 3rd, Prescott 3rd/4th Unfortunately, I think all those guys will be gone before my grades on them and we would have to reach in 2nd for Petty. I would love a G/TE with our first two picks and then grab Prescott in the 4th.

For the most part I agree, but if a big city / media gets a target on you for whatever reason, it can be brutal. Randy Johnson comes to mind right away and his start with the Yankees.

Some people enjoy reading simple facts instead of a high school girl rumor mill as their source of news. But, to each their own.

Way to bring up something that happened over 10 years ago. Congrats.

Actually it's a huge difference. The Daily would quote a janitor as an unnamed source in the Bills organization. The Times has the utmost of standards.

"Wont be fringe next year" Says the guy that still had Bo Wallace in his signature until right after that bowl game blow up.

Exactly, apparently you cannot go to the playoffs and win with him.

While that may be true, anyone who watched that Super Bowl knows that the defense won that game. But I agree in general. Russell Wilson is amazingly overrated and underrated all at the same time!

Yes, not necessarily Foles though, but I think Chip's system made him look great last year, then they figured out his system somewhat this year and Foles regressed a ton and, most likely, played more to his ability. I just don't see how all these guys clamoring for Foles completely look past that fact.

So you're saying Orton is better than the Cardinals third string QB??? Yeah, I'd say that's probably accurate.

That is a very good point. Thanks. Very well thought out, thanks.

I agree with both of your points concerning Alex and EJ for the most part and am, admittedly, mostly just playing devils advocate here. But, you guys both point to "taking 5 years to develop" as something extraordinary or as the exception, but I ask you this, how do we know? How many QBs were actually given that amount of time to develop. Especially 3.5 of those years as being the starter as with Smith? Perhaps all that time is exactly what some of these highly talented guys that flame out need to become serviceable or even good / elite QBs. Seems to me that guys are given 2 or 3 years at the most to be a starter and if they can't do it then, they are simply discarded forever. I don't know, just spewing thoughts here. I just really want to like EJ and hope like hell that the light bulb goes off this off season and that Doug and Hackett were holding him back instead of helping him, as in making him play too cautious instead of slinging it and making plays with his feet.

Not pointing to you per se, but I love how a lot of people praise Alex Smith for being a QB that we should have got. It just amazes me that Smith looked terrible up until his 5th season in the league, yet everyone wants to discard EJ after starting 14 games. In his third season his completion % was 48.7%. 48.7!!!!!! Win now at all cost league I guess. No patience whatsoever.

Yeah, he's enormous. That's who the commentators were comparing him to as well during the conference championship game and the semi-final game. His release looks extremely slow to me though for some reason.

I don't think any NFL HC or GM believes that EJ can be a franchise QB at this point. Hopefully that changes and changes quick. And Foles, I don't like him at all. He had tremendous success last season and I put that 100% on Chip's offense and defenses not knowing what to do to stop it. But, as with any new trend in the NFL (wildcat anyone?), the other teams caught up to him and he regressed severely. If he were a FA, I'd take a look, but I wouldn't give up anything for him in a trade.

This is the dumbest argument against a player in the world. I'm sorry, but it is. You can't name a single college with more than 1 successful current NFL QB, you can't. None of them. Do it. I mean, I can understand it from a scheme type school like a Baylor or a Houston when they were putting up huge numbers on offense a few years back, but this isn't even the same coaching staff anymore. Please move on from that tired, fact-less claim. And the Pac-12 was probably the best conference in college football this year. If not, certainly top 2. And what is the best conference, the SEC and their defenses? How has that worked out for their top teams in the bowl games???