WhitewalkerInPhilly

It's fortunate then, that I have realized that I no longer need to take you seriously. You are too far gone.

In the most obvious riposte: If the US government is already succeeding using $1.6 billion is border security funding, why do you need $5 billion? Is that worth stopping all security over? To which I go to the itemized reasons this makes no sense: A) Can you actually give me data as to how physical security has stopped crossings? This is a legitimate question, not a trap. I am rather curious if you have any facts that can be verified. B) Bulls**t, the Dems can't explain why they don't want a border wall. Holy hell, this is the easier argument for a libertarian to make. It is: A massive government works project Will require the seizure of land from private citizens via eminent domain violates state's rights, as the federal government will be overriding the enumerated powers that they are supposed to have regarding enforcement even if it is built, it will require continual manpower assignment and maintenance you can do far better national security policing by taking equivalent funds and giving them to intelligence agencies and law enforcement a static emplacement like a wall is useless against catapults shooting drugs over the border, vast networks of cartel tunnels, air drops, naval crossings, smuggling through our ports and is just an god awful waste of money for an extremely limited and stationary structure. I have long held that the Wall is all the stupidest parts of Democratic mismanagement, only now it's the Republican base's turn to be idiots.

It's so cute when you metaphorically suck each other off, and project your true feelings into this safe space. Good for you both! Throw off the shackles off the moralizing of your upbringing and embrace your true desires! Be liberated!

Well, I have to admit that Schumer is laying it on thick, and I have little love for these two. But let's give credit where credit is due. Mr. 45 has owned any impending shutdown. https://thepoliticalinsider.com/trump-shutdown/ All I'm going to say is this: while the Republicans control both houses of Congress, and the executive branch until January 3rd...when it will control two of those three. If they can't do anything until then, then yeah, the president needs to own up to his comments about how shutdowns are the president's fault.

Yeah...every so often I have to remind myself when I find myself overwhelmed, incredulous at how low people in this board stoop... And then I remember that I have boyst as a unit of measure.

Look Sherpa, Boyst is already on the record that he thinks that's it's ok to run people over in the streets. You think that this is hyperbole. It is not. Well, that explains what happens when Ohio goes red ? I'm joking. People don't take that joke as a reason to disenfranchise all the poor people in Ohio.

I'm not. If he had tried that in NY, I would have expected terrorism charges. The scum sucker deliberately targeted and murdered unarmed, peaceful protestors, as part of a radical hate group. If he had been part of ISIS, we would not have heard the end of it. I can acutely remember people like Boyst defending him (and he still, if memory serves, is in favor of vehicular homicide) and telling us to wait for judgement. NOW can we call the white nationalist movement a bunch of sniveling, cowardly murderers?

Dude, I usually respect you, so I will actually try to respond seriously and without snark. In Indonesia, there is violent, anti-Muslim harrassment carried out by Buddhists, and endorsed by their leaders. No, seriously: http://theconversation.com/violent-buddhist-extremists-are-targeting-muslims-in-sri-lanka-92951 If I have gathered anything from competitive religion, it is this: some asshat can abuse any philosophy for violent, criminal ends. With that in mind, it begs the question: why do give any of these ideas special treatment? Build the wall between superstition and civic government. Because every door you make for a Buddhist or a Christian with special "we have to respect this, its sacred" juju, gives it to radical Muslims, Satanists and *gasps* atheists.

Athiest zealot: Dick on a computer, is slightly rude Christian Zealot: "Well, I don't care what "science" and "medical experts" say, the magic medications my head spirit guy claims kill babies! Don't doubt me! My faith says you can't doubt me!!! Judge Kavanaugh says you can't doubt me" (Note: he indeed ruled for this magic spirit fallacy) Muslim Zealot: "Let's blow things up" So....maybe there is a gradient

Dude...I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I am fully aware that social groups commonly steal from each other. This thing was about the "IMMA THUMP MA BIBLE, AND THAT MAKES ANY THOUGHT IN ME HEAD ENOUGH FOR THE GUV-MENT!!!" group, and the fact that they chose the guy who absolutely does not follow the bible drum they play.

Yesterday, I decided to go "off base" I, having researched the Alt-Right Playbook, decided to employ those tactics. There are more. And, to be blunt, I was an insufferable (censored term that refers to female genitalia) Here is the thing: It was effective. I used the stupid lingo that I've seen here (C uck, NPC, triggered, snowflake), and while they were non-sensical, they fared better than the reasoned debate I had been trying. Out of all the people, only one critic had anything resembling a cogent response. DC Tom, this is probably a dubious honor, but you hit me good, well, and with a clean an concise point even I on "be as Fox News as possible" could not shrug off. I honestly have to give you kudos for that.

Well, it's funny because I see them treat the opposition like the devil. And, let's be honest here, I have seen enough art of God Emperor Trump (no, I am not kidding, this sadly exists. There are parts of the internet I wish I could unsee) In fact, I believe one of the early posters referred to HRC as the spawn of Satan. Which, hey, I didn't like her either, but hey, when one side starts basing their choices on 2000 year old myths you lose some credibility. If I told you that I sincerely believed that Loki affixed his testicles to a goat's beard, and therefore I didn't believe in vasectomies you would look at me like I was a gibbering nutcase. But when Tasker talks about how his rights are offended because Starbucks used a different color coffee cup, his rights have been trampled and he is being persecuted. and yet, my Norse Poetic Edda reference has as much validity as his book of worship. ...yeah. coming into work and being c ockslapped in the face is not business as usual. That doesn't make it better. ...you mean, are you willing to say that Q Anon is not a 4chan and 8chan based internet theory about...what was it again... A secret cabal of devil worshipping pedophiles in the highest branches of government. I'm just stating that. Are you disputing that? Because those sound like statements. and I dont see you refuting that in your last post.

Wow...this is...worthy of study to be honest. I am honestly curious at this. *adjust glasses and begins dictation* "Subject is an inhabitant of 4chan and 8chan. He repeatedly posts from the wild conspiracy known as "QAnon", a subculture dedicated to trying to piece together random reports about a secret society of devil worshipping pedophiles, which includes every president of the last century and Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump is part of a shadow movement to deliver indictments to this group." "In spite of clinging to a theory that furry hentai fanfiction writers would be ashamed to claim, he has appropriated the term "NPC" for anyone who disagrees with him despite the reciprocal term of "soyboy" for people who cry "fascist"." "Proximity to 4chan and the term "NPC" indicate someone who really can't get laid. I will keep observation, but I don't have long term hopes for the future."

Well, I appreciate that you understand my difficulty speaking to you and your friends. It's been like shoving electrodes into your grey matter looking for signs of life. Also, maybe : A) dont claim to be motivated by a work of religious text and then be butthurt when I use it against you and B) dont include a quote, and then a quote about how quotes can be twisted by evil people. It really mixes your message. /takes bow *Pats head* Awww, the beta c uck NPC can meme

Well, I correctly referenced multiple quotes of scripture that showcase my detractors as critically flawed in their arguments and hypocritical, and they so shut down that they've moved to "I'll pray for you" in a few instances. But if you are referring to my attempts to win people over with superior reasoning, basic research and having a horizon broader than "she turned me into a newt. BURN THE WITCH!".... oh yeah, I know it's not going to work. I can't reach them. But then, it is fun to show how much they are what they claim to hate: a bunch of hypersensitive, whiny snowflakes with a persecution complex.

Well, I'm not an expert but it's part of Jesus' address after being baptized by John. It includes the Beatitudes, and is prefaced by "judge not, yet ye be judged." And yet, right before, it has this pearl: Love that double standard 45 fans...

*Pats your head* Aww, you're so cute. It's adorable. It's like watching the slowest kid in the class trying to come up with a witty retort and instead pissing his pants. You can't help but pity them.

Matthew 7:3-5 Unlike some of the "Christians" in this thread, some of us have actually had to critically think about the Bible. Of course, these verses would have made them conscious on the concept of hypocrisy, so I can see why they are ignoring it.

Here's the thing: I didn't mock your faith- I mocked the idea that your faith entitled you to enforce anything in civil society. I didn't say anything about tearing down traditional family structure at all. Like, at all. But I am ok with other family structures existing. I'm not for legislating against anti-Judeo Christian values. I draw a very hard line against letting Christians legislate their values against other people. But now it's dawned on me: in your, very strange mind, THESE ARE THE SAME THINGS. You've gotten your way for so long that other people getting theirs means you are losing yours. And that's "smearing poop on the wall" crazy. Checkmate.

You know what...touche. I've got to give you that one.

Dude, you want to talk about projection on that one...I don't want them to surrender their rights. You don't seem to understand that other people being able to live their lives, lives that are different than the "Values voter" nutjobs, is not "oppressing" them. But moving aside from that, I am going to call BS on "the system doesn't regularly provide candidates which outwardly embody Christian values". The system is chock full of them. Do you know how many renditions of "God Bless America" I heard during my formative years? Candidates regularly seek endorsements from religious leaders, and it's practically been a requirement that presidential candidates show some outside show of faith. In fact, if anyone would be ruled out due to their religious stance, it's Muslims and Athiests: https://news.gallup.com/poll/155285/Atheists-Muslims-Bias-Presidential-Candidates.aspx There are tons of Christians who I know who see their faith as something that sustains them and enriches them, and do their best as imperfect creatures. But you don't get to rail, rant and rave about how the Democrats are "devils" and "evil" (and believe you me, I've heard that) and then completely ignore it when your boy ignores all the things you b1tch about to the rest of us, and not be called out for the frauds you are.

I mean, come on people, you see the irony here: The people who like to complain about a lack "traditional values", "Christian values" and want to "make America great again" went off and elected a thrice married, serial adulterer (Jesus had some words on that) who is a crooked business than with a long record of cheating poor people (something about a camel through the eye of a needle) who made promises to get rid of a government sponsored health care and keep throwing people unnecessarily into prisons ("I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.") And I of all people, don't think it matters if Trump attends Church, because it has zero bearing on his ability to steer the ship of state and he's never claimed that in who he is. I think he is doing a terrible job regardless, but we really shouldn't be making any deal about his Church visits. ...why, yes, that is a surprisingly accurate depiction of "values voters". How astute of you.

Ok, I am confused. I am actually trying be serious now. You asked, "what does it matter as to why "values voters" went for Trump when he absolutely does not embody the so called "values" they share" My, mostly sarcastic replies, have been: Because they throw small tantrums when other people don't. They scream about how oppressed their voices are because someone got to put up a Mennorah at city hall along with a Christmas tree, or when Satanists got to submit coloring books along with their own, and how Starbucks cups are a different color, or that college campuses are dens of sin because they teach other ideas other than Christian philosophy, or a public school teaches modern scientific theory and that's an assault on the home. And the normal people have been expected to nod their heads, grit their teeth and force a fake smile, hoping that these idiots die off or go completely senile before they can do much more damage. So when they completely ignore all the faults that they normally constantly cannot stop whining and moaning about, because that person let's them impose their way, of course non-crazy people are going to call them out on their BS. Cool story bro. It would matter more if whatever you pray to existed, but I appreciate the thought. I'm a little surprised. I thought you'd think I was hip for speaking your lingo. My moral compass is just fine. You're the idiots who constantly B word, whine and moan about how oppressed you are, while complaining about "snowflakes" and the irony is just too rich not to enjoy.

No, I'm answering you Well the simple answer "what point does it make" is that the "basket of deplorables" as you phrased it, seem to be NPC cucks who like watching DJT ream out traditional values because it really get them off to screw over other people. And boy, do they trigger. "OH MY GOD, YOU SAID HAPPY HOLIDAYS INSTEAD OF MERRY CHRISTMAS, I NEED MY SAFE SPACE, WAAAAAA!" PS: Sorry, I'm trying to use up all the 4chan before boyst and Tasker get here. EDIT: And Rhino! How can I forget the 4channer in chief?

Well, I wouldn't really care if they kept to themselves, but they keep throwing little S**t fits about how they're oppressed, so they decide to put kleptocrats in charge to make them feel better and that causes problems for normal people. What a bunch of triggered snowflakes.