murra

Solid recap. You should've titled that post Forum summary though, not thread summary.

Kobe wins. He is a much better pure shooter, and defensively has better positioning than Lebron. I dont know who is better. I tend to be on Kobe's side because he's a winner, but I get angry when people just claim out-right that Lebron is the greatest player in the NBA. IMO he is the greatest person at grabbing a basketball, taking 4 steps and leaping towards an object suspended ten feet in the air, but that surely doesn't make you a tremendous athlete, just someone born with the correct frame.

I'll agree with that point. The two, because of their sports are difficult to compare. The individualism of tennis of course does bring up an entirely separate category of athleticism that Lebron does not have to deal with and that's the mental aspect. Sure there is pressure in the NBA, especially when you're a franchise player. But to win 7 matches in order to take a title, and to have time to think in between each point is intense. It usually can make or break athletes. Andy Roddick as probably more physical tools than Federer, but you can't compare them athletically because Roddick can't just get into a rhythm the way Fed can. As for Federer slipping. Yes, he was the world number one for 4 years running, but he lost to Nadal at Wimbledon and then all those French Opens, that's it. Really though, He's much more complete than Nadal and having won the French (albeit avoiding , though he took him on clay in Madrid two weeks before the French) he has proven he's on top. He seems the most poised for a victory at Wimbledon, which I assure you will be the BEST tournament in sports this year. So many stories, it's really exciting. All this typing makes me feel biased as hell though, considering I watch almost as much tennis as I do hockey or football.

I disagree. Tennis requires more athleticism than basketball. You see lanky, nonathletic people become successful basketball players, but anyone with out enough athleticism can't last a minute in a tennis match. I'm not calling Lebron that, clearly the guy is very talented...I'm just saying I'm much more impressed with Fed. Also, I really don't feel as though you watch tennis, do you? Not the best player? He has consistently (20 consecutive times) attended a major semi-final, and at the age of 27 has more grand slam finals than any one mens singles player. Not to mention, the man just took home a career grand slam, and has consistently gotten to the french finals, which is beyond remarkable, considering it doesn't correlate with his style at all. He's just that good. Maybe because you've watched on ESPN Nadal highlights, so you're a little confused, but Roger Federer will arguably go down as the greatest tennis player of all-time.

...Well, once. If you want to get technical.

He isn't even the best player in the NBA... Also, if we're bringing in other sports, James doesn't hold a candle to Roger Federer. Now that guy is a freak. Consistency, precision, endurance, and strength. If you put those two players in a sport neither plays, such as soccer or anything where being born incredibly tall doesn't give you a distinct edge, Roger will beat LeBron in every category.

In my opinion, longevity has no place in a "best all round athlete" discussion. You can make the claim that it's important, but I feel as though circumstances outside the capability of the athlete should be left out. I am way too young to have seen him, but from what I understand, Jim Brown was a vicious two-way lacrosse player, who famously averaged over 5 yards a carry in the NFL. I'd like to toss his name into the discussion. Again, if longevity is a factor, then you'd obviously discredit him, but I truthfully believe he was the greatest athlete the NFL ever saw.

Really? You actually wander around inquisitively, searching for the personification of a rectum?

Thank you.

Yeah I'm surprised, I just looked up to find that he was the leading rusher in both his Superbowl appearances. Pretty impressive.

Clearly, Antowain Smith, Don Beebe, Larry Centers, Sam Gash and Rob Johnson were responsible for their respective superbowl wins.

Yeah, you're right. I love "getting" some respect rather than earning it...

I enjoy that so many people felt obliged to explain to the OP that this guy is not a threat. It made me glad to see that on at least one topic we can agree in unison.

Tell me the truth. Are you really that uptight, or do you just pretend that you hate everyone who does not comply with your immaculate standards?

Good guy? Explain. Edit*: And not being caught yearly for a league infraction does not place you directly into the "good guy" category.

What version where you playing? Mine did that for an extra point. If you had to wait till halftime, then there is no wonder you're not a fan.

Surprisingly, I agree with your post.

Guys, guys, guys. Please. Take it easy on this guy. Clearly, English is not his first language.

Dreeeeam Weeeeaver...

You can't be serious. You truly believe he's not going to have a conservative game plan? Really?

wait, vick is a criminal?

Did you feel that this deserved a new thread because the topic wasn't being discussed, or did you feel your ideas were so truly unique and original, that even though it could fit in another thread, you wanted the attention of a new one altogether? Either way, boooo to you.

I think Kelsay is overpaid, but clearly you think he's one of the top 60 DEs in football. You guys make it seem like he's the absolute worst starter at that position.

Order of favorite leagues and teams (where applicable) 1. NFL-Buffalo Bills 2. NHL-Buffalo Sabres 3. NBA- I don't have favorite teams, just two favorite players: Kobe and Carmelo. 4. Tennis- Federer, Roddick. 5. Golf- Tiger Woods 6. Soccer- AC Milan 7. NCAA BBall- UB/WVU 8. NCAA Fball- UB/WVU 9. Bowling 10. Poker 11. Lacrosse 12. Arena Football 13. Cricket 14. Rugby 15. Gymnastics 16. Volleyball 17. Table Tennis 18. Billiards 19. Summer X-games 20. Winter X-games 21/22. NASCAR and MLB (tie for dead last..) Clearly it was challenging thinking up sports to place ahead of nascar and baseball, but in the end I'm satisfied with the result.