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12 hours ago, DCofNC said:
Saw that, hated that he quit on the play to try to draw the flag. It was a hold, should have been called, but ya have to keep fighting there, don’t rely on the zebras to do the right thing, you don’t play for KC, you aren’t going to get the calls.
Here's the official wording of the rule:
Use his hands or arms to materially restrict an opponent or alter the defender’s path or angle of pursuit. It is a foul regardless of whether the blocker’s hands are inside or outside the frame of the defender’s body. Material restrictions include but are not limited to:
1. grabbing or tackling an opponent;
2. hooking, jerking, twisting, or turning him; or
3. pulling him to the ground.
Since the Ravens player didn't alter Oliver's path or angle, it falls under the gray area of "materially restrict". I see this same scenario all the time with Myles Garrett, refs focus on the fact that he is still moving up field so the grab gets ignored. Meanwhile, the defender has no chance of closing in on the QB due to the restriction.
I'm ok with Oliver's attempts to emphasize the grabbing. He wasn't getting to Lamar because of them, try and get the call.
Myles always keeps fighting as you suggest and never gets a call or the QB.
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7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Thank you. Who gives a crap? As long as they keep winning it really doesn’t matter if he has 0 catches or 15. They’ve ran the ball so well and I hope they continue to do so. They put up 27 points (actually 30 since they were in FG range at the end of the game) where Josh threw for 127 yards and 0 TDs ! That is insane. Look at it like a game of Chess. If you can beat up your opponent without using your queen and putting it at risk then why not? Like you said, when the matchup is there, Brady will exploit it. Cooper will have his number called at some point. We are one game away from the Super Bowl. Take that in for a minute. Buffalo will utilize whatever weapons they have to get to the promise land.
Well, everyone eats is fine, but if we want to keep him we better use him because otherwise it lowers the value of his next contract. He only played 21 of 61 snaps in this game. He's not getting much of a chance to eat.
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2 hours ago, JP51 said:
I am gonna say this... the Dawkins call was a complete whiff... just inexcusable... the Coleman call I honestly thought we were gonna get Offensive PI watching it again in a playoff game... I let it go and hold on to the flag.... the thing that really got me and I rememeber Oliver complaining even after the sack of Jackson was literally some of the worst non holding calls I have seen yet on our interior line... like how can you call Dawkins and not see a DL with a clear line to the QB with an OL that has a hand full of his jersey pulling him sideways... it wasnt even like it was away from the play it was the play... I dont even know what to say about the officiating anymore... this was not the worst called game I have seen against the Bills... this one in comparison to some of those was actually tame... but I think you have to resign yourself to on any given day you have to beat the officials too... i just got nothing anymore to think about the officiating in this league...
There was another play where Oliver got penetration and the O lineman turned sideways. Oliver was trying to head upfield to Jackson and the lineman refused to disengage and Oliver threw his hands up with the guy still draped on him but no flag. Just shameful.
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23 minutes ago, mjt328 said:
When it comes to football, there are two different kinds of pain. Hard to really say what is worse.
There are teams that always seem to be awful, have never really drafted an elite Quarterback to lead them, and never really seem to come close. Cleveland is the most obvious, for all the reasons you stated. Detroit still hasn't made a Super Bowl either. Arizona basically had that one shot with Kurt Warner's career winding down. None of these franchises have even experienced long-term success during the modern era.
Then you have us. On the doorstep multiple times, but unable to finish the job. Our 1990's roster had multiple Hall of Famers, including at Quarterback. Now struggling to break-through again, despite having possibly the best QB in the entire NFL. I can't think of another team who has been so close, so many times, with zero rings to show for it. The next closest may be Cincinnati, especially if they fail to get one with Joe Burrow.
Yeah, the Ravens have plenty of reason to be upset and disappointed after the last couple years. But they were still on top of the world twice, so I'm not willing to lump them with us.
For sure Baltimore is not on a level of pain with us.
But having lived in Cleveland since the 90's I feel the level of their pain is well beyond ours, same with Detroit.
We were on their level until the Super Bowl years. I can see how someone would feel the disappointment of losing the Superbowls trumps everything, but I feel this is shortsighted.
It was a hell of a ride with amazing football save one game a year.
In my life, it beat the hell out of the seventies and most of the eighties.
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18 minutes ago, Sweats said:
Now that you bring it all together in one statement..........i have no words, except that every team's legacy is remembered for something.
And I'm just scratching the surface. Ozzie Newsome was immensely popular here and working his way up the executive ladder. He continued to do so in Baltimore and Browns fans got to watch him become GM of the Ravens and help them build their second Super Bowl team.
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18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
No I agree with all that but to be fair a lot of Michigan fans insisted that Sparty was their actual rival for decades when they were losing The Game every year. I actually think the 100 year war means (meant?) more to Ohio State than them. We don’t have an in-state rival.
and yes the marketing is outrageous it’s funny how they show the promos always with the double bird and all the fights and punches over the years. They hype it up that way and expect to not see flag planting and pre/post game fighting.
😂 My buddy did grad school at UM and took me to 6-8 games and I dated a girl from MSU for a time. I definitely feel the same way you do, OSU fans get far more worked up about The Game but it definitely means something to UM. They also definitely have a rivalry with MSU, who they consider their hillbilly little pipsqueak brother. So they usually pretend the MSU rivalry doesn't matter until they suck bad enough.
The UM fans were just insisting about Sparty because the couldn't beat OSU and knew it would piss off Buckeye fans to talk it down. They actually weren't beating Sparty many of those years either, it was really a helpless, dreary time for them.😂 Just say "Rich Rodriguez" if you want to get them worked up.
Totally agree about the marketing. Cripes, even going to a Big Ten game is like going to a NBA game, just a blitz of lights, sounds, ads, video and music trying to cover 8 minutes of commercials every 15 minutes. And people complain about NIL.
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2 hours ago, corta765 said:
I emphasize in the frustration of having such a great QB and not being able to breakthrough. That frustration and know you have a certain timeframe to get rings with them hangs until it happens or it doesnt and every miss adds to the frustration.
I do not emphasize with this being the end of the world and their cursed or other crap I have seen. I have seen the Ravens win 2 SB titles in my life. Lamar right now is playing to win a title and etch his name as an all time great. Josh & this group are playing not only for that but to finally end 60+ years of pain and heartbreak which hangs over the franchise and city/area in general to finally win it all. The circumstances are vastly different and outside of Viking fans no other fanbase knows the feeling of being this close so many times and being 0-4 and the weight that sits there because of it. CLE/DET fans have had their misery but truthfully losing in the big game the way BUF/MIN has and knowing you were so close mixed with the other misses is another level of pain.
Realistically odds are Lamar will break through one of these times and get his shot. At least while Raven fans wait they can count the rings and watch the highlight film in frustration instead of sitting here hoping for one in my lifetime.
I would rather lose 4 superbowls in a row then deal with the pain Browns fans experience. They have never been to a single SuperBowl, lost 3 AFC championship games in the late 80's, 2 year record 1-31, lost their team that went on to win 2 super bowls, and the times they are starting to put it together ownership meddles and sabotages the situation. Their fan suffering is worse then ours in almost every single way at this point.
Yep, losing 4 superbowls in a row is acutely painful but as a Bills fan living in Cleveland the never-ending failures is an incomparable level of long term pain.
It was a privilege to watch Jimbo and that offense and Bruce and that defense, those were really amazing football years and personalities for the Bills despite never winning a Super Bowl. Much better than even the subsequent 17 years.
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36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Yes The Game did matter at the time. A lot. But it shouldn’t have. We are all used to be it meaning so much. Then it was like ok well let’s see what they do in the playoff I guess. We had to keep reminding ourselves our season was going to keep going. And then it kept going. And then it was forgotten. That’s what I mean by it took awhile for the fan base to understand and I include myself, like my head knew it didn’t matter but my heart was like no eff that, it matters until it doesn’t. It’s never been like that. The seniors had no hardware. No gold pants. Now they have gold trophies. Gold pants used to be taken for granted, and they had none. Now they aren’t as relevant to success. It won’t be the same ever again. For better or for worse.
I think you're right in the long term, like 20+ years. And you're a good and intelligent fan. I've lived in Ohio (Mansfield and Cleveland) since the 80's and I'm thinking there's plenty of pig-headed Buckeye fans who won't let go of The Game for AT LEAST 10 years. Especially if Michigan continues to enjoy more of the success in the rivalry. You're talking about football since 1897 and over 125 years of animosity and history. And you know there will be marketers on both sides continuing to stoke the rivalry!
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/war-sparked-sports-rivalry
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1 hour ago, Ramza86 said:
This looks like satire....ill give the Bills credit against the Ravens because they have pretty much been unstoppable. They played their asses off.
That said....thank god for the big plays from our players...because the Ravens were going to hang up another 38 on us.
Idk if anyone has this stat on hand....but we cant be any good at 3rd and medium or longer and this isnt just against Baltimore...this is against any competent offense.
Dont even get me started on the opposition in a must score situation.....Ive never seen teams march down 80 yards on us so fast than I have this season. That has to change asap.Things aren't going to change and the coaches know it. Their solution is to establish a lead and have the offense play ball control and milk the clock. If we're behind, the offense opens up more.
All to try and limit exposure on defense. For the defense, be extra aggressive early to keep the opponent off balance and hope our playmakers come up with plays and turnovers.
It sucks, but it helped us beat Detroit, Denver, and Baltimore.
Hang on. The stress-filled ride continues until the end!😂
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37 minutes ago, zow2 said:
People are not getting it that the student (McDermott) has learned from the master (Andy Reid). The Chiefs have not turned the ball over in something like 8 straight games. They don't take many sacks, they don't take tons of penalties, they don't take lots of risk. Mostly they run and throw short/med passes to move the chains. They make their FG's. They wait to pounce on the other teams miscues and dumb plays. And they win Super Bowls.
We aren't gonna see a risky passing game downfield unless it's a busted play and Allen just heaves it. If it turns into a game where they need Allen to throw, run and come from behind they will.
Yep, except we will see a risky passing game downfield if the game situation calls for it. Ball control offense and open it up as needed.
My worry is if Josh is only drinking and dunking his accuracy and timing may be off for those few downfield throws.
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6 hours ago, DapperCam said:
Jefferson looked kind of silly on that TD pass, lol. These guys must have been absolutely gassed to have backups in like this. Surely Jefferson and Solomon aren't our typical guys in a dime? I noticed Benford didn't look like he was moving very well at the end there either. Barely even ran with Andrews on the 2 point try.Yep, but this isn't supposed to happen with McDermott's rotational system. I hope he seriously reevaluates it after the season.
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On 1/18/2025 at 9:18 PM, GoBills808 said:
'He (McDermott) is repeatedly described by coaches and former players as blind to the fact that he was gifted one of the best quarterbacks in the sport...'
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'...one longtime Bill with a front-row seat to the interactions between Allen and McDermott every day offered this analogy: “I might’ve gone on a date with your wife once or twice, and she would’ve called me a crazy son of a B word and dumped me in a day. You might’ve gone on a date with my wife and she might’ve said, ‘Man…’ That doesn’t mean that your wife or my wife is bad or me and you were bad. Sometimes, people don’t genuinely grow together.” McDermott and Allen may both be perfectly justified in how they approach this profession....but central to the Bills’ inability to get over the hump is this relationship, said this source with intimate knowledge of the team. It’s more absent, than toxic.'
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Teammates of Allen don’t think it’s much of a secret. One points out that McDermott and Allen are not exactly teaming up for commercials, or arm-in-arm in the Buffalo community, or yucking it up for candid videos on the team website.
They are not close.
“You can’t win championships like that,” said this source, who knows both well. “It doesn’t mean that anyone’s wrong.”
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I picture all this being truer when Daboll was here and a huge influence on young Josh. McD was too risk averse and didn't see eyeball to eyeball with Daboll and Josh stubbornly clung to hero ball which Dabs rolled with.
Is McDermott chummy with any of the players on the team? While he'll high five and support, he seems to maintain a coach-player separation. He's no Dan Campbell to be sure.
Lastly, look how much Josh has bought into and emulated McDermott's philosophy. "One game at a time", etc. They say the same things at their press conferences. By his maturity of play-style and philosophy, Josh has bought fully into McDermott's philosophy.
I would bet their relationship has grown and is just fine now.
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11 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
'He (McDermott) is repeatedly described by coaches and former players as blind to the fact that he was gifted one of the best quarterbacks in the sport...'
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'...one longtime Bill with a front-row seat to the interactions between Allen and McDermott every day offered this analogy: “I might’ve gone on a date with your wife once or twice, and she would’ve called me a crazy son of a B word and dumped me in a day. You might’ve gone on a date with my wife and she might’ve said, ‘Man…’ That doesn’t mean that your wife or my wife is bad or me and you were bad. Sometimes, people don’t genuinely grow together.” McDermott and Allen may both be perfectly justified in how they approach this profession....but central to the Bills’ inability to get over the hump is this relationship, said this source with intimate knowledge of the team. It’s more absent, than toxic.'
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Teammates of Allen don’t think it’s much of a secret. One points out that McDermott and Allen are not exactly teaming up for commercials, or arm-in-arm in the Buffalo community, or yucking it up for candid videos on the team website.
They are not close.
“You can’t win championships like that,” said this source, who knows both well. “It doesn’t mean that anyone’s wrong.”
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Uh, hello? They just made snow angels together. Sometimes love is a late bloomer.
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36 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:
But if we lose again and it's 4 straight Divisional exits....what continuous improvement is he showing?
Creativity when things aren't working, making rapid adjustments, not just at the half. Exploiting what is working before leaning on what you think should work. Stunts, delayed blitzes if our D-line isn't effective, staying aggressive on offense late to maintain possession, no prevent D too early. Coaching in the moment and two steps ahead for smart clock management. No problems with the wrong number of men on the field for special teams. Our defense prepared and lined up in time for hurry up offense.
Baltimore is a great team and victory cannot be presumed because it's going to take some luck. In short our coaches need to keep pushing for momentum and putting our players in good positions to make plays. I can absolve McD if Baltimore just happens to make enough plays to win when our guys were in position to stop them.
I don't want to hear "we'll learn from this" if we lose. There's nothing to be learned 8 years in that shouldn't have already.
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15 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
And even a bigger idiot if anyone thinks that if they fire McD, someone is going to come in a do a better job. Over the past 5 years combined, the Bills have won the 2nd most games behind the Chiefs 66 to 61. If you exclude the top 5 teams on the list, from that point down, the next 5 to 10 teams would need to take their 6 year combined wins against Bills 5 year totals to catch him and after about #15 on the list would take 7 seasons. Over the past 5 season the Bills are also first in TD's, yards, yards per game, opposing points and points per game (those 2 surprised me a bit) 2nd in first downs and 3rd down percent and a disappointing 4th place in fourth down %, a whole 1.1% behind the leader.
When you look at numbers like that there is so little room for improvement, the likelihood is very very low. I get the argument too, that you can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results, but the counter to that is, If you're going to change something expecting to get better, you need a well laid out plan what's going to change so you get better. And in selecting NFL coaches there really isn't a plan, it's just getting lucky with the right person. If there was a plan many teams would have figured it out and succeeded already. Picking an NFL that will succeed is not much better than the equivalent of playing roulette and hoping you hit on your number.
There was an article in the Athletic the other day discussing how: Teams should also realize that hiring offensive coordinators as head coaches is not critical or even important for making sure your offense and your team contends at the highest levels. and gave 5 examples of winning HC who never called offensive plays John Harbaugh, McD, Campbell, Bowles, and Quinn and then gave some examples of hoe name coaches to hire who never worked out for various reasons
You may be onto something about those complaining about picking the wrong Josh
First off, let me say I don't want McDermott fired at the end of the season. He's earned at least one more year.
He simply needs to show more of the continuous improvement he preaches. He is the head coach 8 years in. He needs to tweak the details to get us over the hump.
13 seconds was completely his fault. He took two timeouts to control that situation and failed with the prevent.
He's improved since then, but then you have Allen's failed goal line scramble in the Rams game this year.
He's got to know better, and plan better in that situation. It's these little details that make a difference in the playoffs. He needs to have the pressure on him to grow in this way. We only have so many years with Josh.
Regarding a change, you can look to the Cleveland Cavaliers who made the tough decision to fire their coach last year (who went to Detroit) and keep the roster intact. Their new coach has taken them to a higher level and old coach has really improved Detroit. Both coaches are being mentioned for coach of the year.
If you make the right change it can work.
One thing's for sure with me. I don't want to watch this team remain futile in the playoffs. What if Marv had fired Walt Corey after the Washington superbowl and brought in a strong, established replacement?
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5 hours ago, Willyville Guy said:
I’m sweating this one. ND is in a similar position that Ohio State was in when it upset Miami in the 2002 Fiesta Bowl. One of the many miracles of that game was Chris Gamble somehow shutting down Andre Johnson. Hoping the Buckeyes don’t let anything like that happen on Monday!
Always gotta sweat for a game as big as this one but the Bucks are playing the way they are supposed to and I think they will take control of this game at the latest third quarter. ND is strong but just doesn't have enough talent.
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6 hours ago, Simon said:
Hmmmph, I've gone my whole life always believing that Benjamin Spock actually wrote that.
I'm totally not going to tell my kids I was wrong the whole time......
Surreal connection for me, Dr. Spock died in 1998 and Dr. Robert Needlman edits/writes and oversees new editions of Spock's books.
Only reason this matters is Dr. Needlman works at my hospital and I took my son to see him a few times. One of his residents mentioned the connection, I thought it was cool. 😎 I never did ask him how he got the gig though!
https://www.metrohealth.org/physician/robert-needlman-105577
https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Robert-Needlman/18496734
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7 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:
I believe you have to look at replacing the HC if the Bills fail to reach the AFC title game. ( I think they find a way to beat the Ravens in OP, but maybe that’s just my fandom). Is it really about 2 home playoff games or is it about the success it takes on the field to get those games? I’d say it’s the latter. If you replace McD, it has to be with a HC that’s proven - ie led a team to a SB win. Is that guy available-Belichick ( buyout?) Gruden ? Who is there? Many hotshot coordinators have failed as HC’s. It’s a different job.
I think the next three possible games will be pretty evenly matched. Coaching, and some luck are needed.
McDermott's done many, many things right and for me he needs to more creative and intelligently aggressive in the playoffs. And I think he's starting to realize this. D line did a good job, we didn't retreat into a pure prevent defense and we stayed aggressive late in the game to keep momentum. Keeping momentum is key.
Someone on Denver's D mentioned the Bills O did a great job of confusing them because of changing their zone blocking schemes frequently. Great stuff, and what I want to hear. McD in his PC mentioned making defensive adjustments at halftime but before halftime whenever possible.
As long as he keeps coaching this way I think he gets at least another year before considering a change.
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12 hours ago, ghostwriter said:
I think Buffalo needs to control the TOP. Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry need to be off the field as much as possible.
Honestly, I felt like they purposefully did that against the Broncos and will do it throughout the playoffs to protect their D. Eat up the clock on offense, they're good enough and Josh is smart enough. If a team get us out of that, I'll know it's trouble.
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3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:
Based on Josh's response in the presser it sounds like Josh probably used some choice words which could have resulted in a flag and was warning Josh. It is also probably true Vinovich found out he had missed the call and may have said that.
This seems most likely, based on body language and Josh. I can't see a ref going over to simply warn/scold Josh about his behavior, body language would be different. Josh didn't want to fully discuss the exchange because he's too intelligent and classy, he only took accountability for his failures. The ref coming over to say "hey, we did miss the call but you can't treat us like that again" seems most likely. Maybe an apology but I doubt it because none was needed. It's part of the game.
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8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
So a 39 year old Aaron Rodgers could be healed in 4-6 months but 29 year old DeShaun Watson would need 18 months? I think you are confusing this with an ACL tear. Achilles injuries for QB are not a year and a half fix.
Yes, but this is a re-tear several months later. I am not a doctor but I've got to believe the 4-6 month window will be significantly longer. That's also assuming Watson will want to work hard to get back ASAP.
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19 hours ago, gomper said:
No doubt. It has to be brutal. As Bills fans, we've seen the team we love make incredibly bad decisions too. Although, this was in a league of its own. Football is religion in Ohio. It must drive Browns fans even crazier watching Buffalo and Detroit enjoy such success, while their team continues to screw up the most important position in sports. Oh, as an added kick in the teeth, they get to watch their castaway Mayfield, in the playoffs.
Beyond brutal. My heart goes out to them.
It is brutal, Bills fans have nothing to complain about by comparison. I've lived in Cleveland since the early 90's and it's crazy what they've had to endure. Start with the team leaving and that being known since the beginning of their last season. Then repeated cycles of ineptitude punctuated by the Hue Jackson years:
Then you could see the talent coming together. 2020 they were getting close to having a winning culture and Haslam mucked it all up a year later.
Nothing compares to our teams from the Superbowl years but in 2020 the Browns were akin to the 87 or 88 Bills. Imagine if Ralph decided to get rid of Kelly and invest heavily in a tainted QB.
Closest thing I can come up with.
That and CLE never had anything akin to the Fitzmagic years to ease the suffering. My heart definitely goes out to them. They aren't much different than Bills fans.
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I'm ok with the 12, despite some lopsided games. There's always going to be subjectivity in the rankings and finally, FINALlY they just play it out. No more excuses about how a team lost because they were too beat up by their superior conference coming in. Shut up and go home!
I think the non-playoff bowl games will grow because they'll still be money makers and I predict the bottom or bottom two seeds will eventually become early bowl play-in games.
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5 hours ago, cle23 said:
All it took was a loss to Michigan for OSU coaches to finally show some guts. UM should get half that trophy if they win.
Don't put it on the players for that stupid game plan.
Congrats to the Bucks. I think they just won the toughest game they'll play this playoffs. Love their crazy good goal line D!
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Dion Dawkins and the Bills ripped off - Baldy agrees
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The NFL simply needs to go the way of the NBA and allow challenges of any/most penalty calls.
I feel like it's working great for basketball. The floor refs review, make a decision and briefly explain why. Out of bounds possession is frequently challenged and more than once while in review the refs realize an uncalled foul occured before the OoB and they'll instead call the foul.
It also allows everyone to understand why the ref made his/her decision and that has a calming effect.
It's a tough job and sometimes things happen too quickly to see entirely what happened.