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7 hours ago, PBF81 said:
That's about as close to my take as I've read.
It's not about Edmund v. Bernard v. Williams either, to me it's about not properly and adequately having addressed the situation optimally in several years.
I guess we'll see if they've properly addressed it by playoffs. For the moment, I do feel better watching Bernard isolated on film. For me, our problems at safety are now more concerning due to the age of both. Poyer definitely looks slow now.
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9 hours ago, PBF81 said:
Thanks, and please, don't get me wrong, I'm far from the notion that Bernard sucks, both he and the rookie Williams should have zero troubles in pass D. The draft profiles on both, pervasively, state that. Williams is supposed to be even more quick thinking/processing than Bernard. I'm sure that both are intelligent leaders for the D, etc.
My criticism of Bernard is limited because the UTM runs against us in the past two games have been limited. I think there were only 7 or 8 combined in both games, of 26 carries. Bernard shone in two of them.
I leave room for him becoming a beast there, I simply never see it happening however. Whether that become relevant, who knows. I suspect that come playoff time when we face balanced offenses with good OCs and HCs, that it would become a problem, at least in one game, and that's all it takes to get outsted from the playoffs, eh, a one-game lapse like that where the opponent capitalizes on a weakness.
As to Edmunds, I've never looked at him in crazy detail, but enough to know that he was hit and miss vs. the run. Inconsistent is the one word I'd use to describe him. My big thing re: Edmunds is that he was expected to play a weird role, similar to what we're running this season, not typically a traditional 4-3, and the reason for that, to me anyway, is obvious, we don't have the proper personnel to run one. We're so overly focused on stopping the passing game that IMO we've overlooked the key pieces for stopping the run. We'll find out more as the season develops and we begin to play better coached, more talented, more well-rounded teams.
Also, and this is huge for me, he was the youngest player in the NFL in his rookie season. He's always been asked to play in a weird non-traditional alignment that he's never been in, and I'm not sure many LBs have been in, and he was 24 last season, his fourth here. He's only 25 as of May. IMO it was way too early to determine that he wasn't going to be good here. Having said that, IMO it was in his own best interests, as a player with an NFL career in mind, to get out of here. So while I don't believe that either Williams or Bernard (who's exactly one year younger than Edmunds) will ever be as good as Edmunds, if this is the defense we're going to play here, I suppose that there's a chance that they're better suited to it. McBeane don't explain to us what they're doing with their alignments and whether or not 'they're doing what they can with the talent that they have,' or this has been fully planned, but I see it being an issue come playoff time and in our games agains tougher offenses.
I haven't paid much attention to Edmunds this year, but I do know that unlike us, he is playing in a traditional 4-3 most of the time over there.
But a quick google just now turned up the following, which seems to contradict the sour-grapes take that's prominent here;
https://bearstalk.com/tremaine-edmunds-earned-bears-highest-pff-grade-on-defense-in-week-2/
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-every-nfl-team-most-improved-player-2022
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-free-agent-rankings-linebacker
FWIW
At the end of the day, as much as I think Edmunds was better than anyone we now have on the roster, without hesitation, I think that for his own sake he's better off not here. I've said before, I expect him to finish the season among the top-10 traditional MLBs in all facets of the game, likely towards the higher end of that.
Look, I know we're going to disagree here, and I'll be the pariah in the forums that is the retraded skeptical guy. But in traffic, whether people see it or not, he gets bounced around like a lightweight. I've pointed out the plays and people simply make excuses.
I'll tell you what though, I'll make a friendly wager with you that come December, few people will be defending his run defense skills.
And handful of plays in couple of routs don't do it for me.
Like I said, I'm happy to play the role of the retradeed skeptic. I've been there often, ... initially.
And BTW, if he becomes a beast at MLB vs. the run, great. Happy to be wrong. Just what we need, so I'd be elated. Why wouldn't I be.
Thanks for all the great content, and I definitely agree with you that Bernard's size is a definite concern. And I feel one of Edmunds's strengths is he's a very sure tackler when making the play. However, even though Pff gives him high grades for a low percent of missed probable tackles, can their stats accurately capture his lack of effort, hustle, and instinct to put himself in position to make more tackles?
For me, it's why he never makes splash plays: he's not attacking the ball enough. He's too content to parade jog along with the play when it's more than 10 feet away from him.
PFF rated him highest graded defender for week 2. Here's the extended highlights of that game. Just focus on what Edmunds is doing each play Tampa has the ball
Granted, this is not the full game but it once again shows me Edmunds' career deficits. Once or twice he's in middle zone coverage and there's no one anywhere near him but he's content to sit and do nothing. In the second half of the tape, Mike Evans catches a pass and spins away from attempted tackles by Edmunds and a teammate. Edmunds ends up not more that 5 feet away from the guy and goes into parade jog while his teammate tries to bring down Evans. Watch as Edmunds usually gives ground to a blocker until he's out of the play far enough to parade jog. Tell me what stats capture this?
Edmunds had his best year last year because it was a contract year and he knew he had to put more effort in for the money. But this year his habits persist and he's been in the league over 5 years now. You may be correct that the lights come on in the next year or so but we definitely couldn't wait anymore and at this point we can't rule out he won't be this half-hearted player the rest of his career.
Go back to the Cover-1 video at the top of this thread and compare it to how Bernard plays the game. Look at the aggression, look at how he feints and negotiates through the big uglies to fill holes. How he sees the field and reacts, aggressively going to the ball. Totally different and superior to Edmunds. He may be smaller, but he's not going to shy away or give up from making the play.
Your criticisms are warranted and I also doubt he ever becomes a beast against the run. But he's in his NFL infancy and I'm excited to see how he develops and we have to give him that time to do so. What I do think he'll be against the run is an MLB who covers the hole at the LOS and will need help to complete tackles but will definitely at least start the tackle or influence the runner. Will he get blown off the LOS some? Yes, but the defensive line will play a big role in limiting that.
WRT playoffs, I agree his size may cause problems but I predict Bernard will be a better big playmaker than Edmunds ever was and playmakers are critical in the playoffs. Plus, the defense as a whole will probably play faster as a unit with Bernard over Edmunds. I saw enough with Edmunds never covering Kelce in critical moments to know at this point I'll take my chances with Bernard. Edmunds was JAG in the playoffs.
The fun of it is hopefully no injuries and we'll see! I do respect your well-founded views and thanks for taking the time to elucidate and discuss them. Hopefully I'm right!😜 Go Bills!
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16 hours ago, nedboy7 said:
It's because he wasn't all pro and this board can't stand any avg player.
I would say that the board can't stand a player who doesn't work hard/effectively on the field and make plays to the best of his abilities.
That's why we loved Freddy Jackson and Ryan Fitzpatrick, just to name two.
Edmunds makes himself average.
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46 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:
Maybe it's the KC fan base perception. Screams "Middle America Flyover Disturbia" ...Heck it is Middle America Disturbia. 😆 Add the tomahawk chop and it's a slam dunk.
😂Definitely the painting suit he sports is disturbing.
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1 hour ago, Dukestreetking said:
I don't care. I don't care. I don't care... but, oy vey:
WTH, did he just get done painting a fence? Looks like the fence won.
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11 hours ago, PBF81 said:
He was. It was clear.
Find the UTM running plays that he did well on?
To start, there were only a couple. Two for large gains.
I realize that living in fantasyland where a guy plays well against the pass means that he's been perfect all around, but that simply was not the case. I provided the time shots in the highlight video.
Again, it's the UTM plays that I'm referring to, and sorry, but he did nothing on any of them. ... as the MLB.
He'll have an opportunity to shine in that role on Sunday quite possibly. Let's hope he's better then than he was on Sunday or we're in trouble if the Fins run UTM often.
Thanks for your analysis and feedback on Bernard, it's great to have contrasting input. The biggest negative of Bernard vs Edmunds will probably be in goal line situations as Bernard's smaller size will be magnified.
He's going to make his share of mistakes but it's clear he's passionate, smart, and very decisive. My hope is that he'll be a true quarterback of the defense, making changes on the fly to adjust to offenses throwing something unexpected at us.
I was curious, have you evaluated Edmunds' run defense in the past and could you compare the two players if so? TIA
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4 hours ago, sven233 said:
It wasn't a fluke. It wasn't luck. This guy just gets it. For a 2nd year guy that didn't play much at all coming into this season, what he is doing on the field is incredible right now. He isn't the most physically imposing player, but he's super smart, plays with great situational awareness and instincts, and communicates so well on the field. This breakdown done by Cover 1 really shows off what he does extremely well and matches what I saw on the All-22 I've watched so far. What's encouraging, is everything he put on film here is something that he will be able to repeat game after game because he just gets it. I don't want to compare him to Edmunds. It's not fair to either player because they offer different traits. But, that said, Bernard is so much more instinctive and doesn't hesitate in fear of making a mistake. I thought too many times Edmunds would get himself in position to make a play, but didn't trust himself enough, and that half second of indecision would have him slow to react and the opportunity to make a big play would pass him by. But, it's totally different with Bernard to this point. He trusts himself and what he is seeing, fires his gun, and that is leading to making the splash plays we've been waiting for out of this position. Now, will he be right every time? Of course not. There will be times he makes the wrong read and it will take him out of the play. But you can live with it because it seems, more often than not, he's going to be right.
While the film breakdown in this video is primarily about Bernard, I want you to take a look at the rest of the defense and how they played together as a unit. Yes, Howell held onto the ball too long yesterday and took more sacks than he should have. But there was a reason for it. The back end was totally in sync and played with great communication and gave the guys up front that extra second to affect the QB. It really is fun to watch. There's another thread on here asking how to stop the Dolphins offense. And sure, there will have to be some adjustments and a different game plan to combat their speed. But, Washington did try to utilize a lot of crossers and some similar concepts that the Dolphins use and our defense was smart and sound against them. Can we use the same game plan we did against Washington against Miami? Of course not. But there were concepts in this game on defense that you will absolutely see next week at times vs the Dolphins. Anyway, enjoy this breakdown. It's a real fun watch.
Thanks for posting this, it really made my day. Shows why the coaches handed him the job. Suffice to say I don't think Milano or the secondary will miss Edmunds and can play faster now.
What impressed me the most is how he times his attacks. The early running play where they led the TE through the hole and he hid out behind the line blocking and jumped the RB after the TE went by.
This guy really, really processes at a high speed. What a complete 180 from Edmunds. Should get even better as things continue to settle in!
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8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea I understand it as a "relative to draft selection and contract" argument.
I do wonder if Milano will have a great season after Bernard fully settles in as there's no more Edmunds brain farts to worry about.
7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
I wouldn’t say he sucked in Buffalo but he definitely sucked yesterday. I watched that game and keyed on him and he literally was just standing around. Didn’t see him run full speed a single time including on a delayed blitz when he pushed into the lineman with zero violence or tenacity. Something is wrong with him physically or mentally. He wasn’t explosive here but he was better than that.Given KC's history with the Bills I wouldn't be surprised that part of their gameplan involved taking advantage of his weaknesses. He was probably frequently confused yesterday.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
Again.... liability according to what standard? It is certainly not compared to the average NFL standard.
I'm sorry he was never a liability and he never sucked. Roger Saffold last year was a liability who sucked. If you want to say Edmunds was a JAG... fair enough. If you want to say he never lived up to his draft status - I agree. If you want to say he was never worth what Chicago gave him - I agree. If you were arguing for the Bills to let him walk - so was I.
But "sucks" and "liability" I'm sorry they are not accurate statements.
I'm sorry, let me clarify. I am not saying that Edmunds is a complete liability out there, in agreement with your arguments. He will make most of the basic plays he is responsible for or he wouldn't be in the league.
His lack of instincts frequently results in him making poor decisions either putting him in the wrong spot for the play being run or taking bad angles. His frequent unwillingness to attack the ball carrier away from his primary responsibilities is another one. I've never seen him fight through or even put up much resistance to a second level block on him, only at the line of scrimmage. All of these things make him a liability that his teammates have to account for.
Given his draft position and physical attributes, this is why I say he sucks. He could and should be much better but IMO he doesn't have the heart for it. He did a bit better last year when a big fat contract was riding on it but he's returned to baseline.
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7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
There were definitely run plays throughout his time here where he would shoot the wrong gap, run into blockers and generally make little impact on the play. No disputing that. But do you really think his overall play as a Bill "[expletive] sucked?"
What is your standard for sucking? Like do you think he was one of the worst starting MLBs in football or something? Because to me that is what sucking means. And he wasn't that. He was just what he was an average player who underwhelmed as a first round pick and got overpaid in free agency.
I pushed back on the Edmunds excuse threads as well because they'd say stupid things like "his job wasn't to make those plays like Milano" or "you don't understand his role in the scheme." I did. And I do. The Bernard interception yesterday was a Tampa 2 deep drop that Tremaine was asked to do plenty here. We never saw him climb the ladder and come down with one like that despite hia wing span. But when people say he "sucked" or was a "liability" they are as guilty as the excuse makers of hyperbole.
Edmunds sucks for two reasons: 1. He has little to no instincts for the game.2. He'll put effort into making a play right in front of him, but mails it in otherwise.
Last year was a contract year and he put more effort into fighting through contact, getting to and making plays. It was the only year I felt he was "average" at his position.
Having now gotten paid, he's reverted to baseline, allowing blockers to easily push him backwards, loping along the fringes of the ballcarrier when other teammates are closer. Jumping in on a tackle already being made. Continued poor instincts about where the ball is going.
He lacks the appetite for aggression and violence that is especially crucial at his position.
Those of us who played the game know it makes him a liability on the field. The fact that he's gone to two pro bowls makes it even more vexing.
Chicago believed the hype. No excuses for them.
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17 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
Dude. My god. A) it was 35 yards and b) #53 was covering him, not Edmunds. Hate Edmunds all you want, but please, please don’t make stuff up out of whole cloth to advance a pretty friggin’ dumb crusade built out of misguided spite. It’s unbecoming, as all crusades are. Material evidence:
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Review your material evidence more closely. In particular, watch the replay. Look where Edmunds lines up. 3 receivers to the right. Ball is snapped, Love's eyes drift right for a second, which Edmunds reads and shifts slightly right to cover the developing post pattern. So far so good. Love then swings his eyes left, plants slightly left and hits the left slant pattern. At these exact moments, Edmunds inexplicably over-commits to covering a pattern farther right, clearing out and opening up the zone Aaron Jones trucks through for the TD. Even though the QB and running back were both showing left.
This is your high paid, veteran, stud MLB stupidly taking himself out of the play. Jordan Love would have had to seriously pivot right to open his body up for a pass that direction and he never did that. His eye fake wasn't even very good, but Edmunds has no instincts for the game. He couldn't even catch up in pursuit he took himself out so badly.
A most likely outcome of this play should have been Jones gets the completion and Edmunds tackles him for a short/moderate gain. But thanks to Edmunds, it wasn't.
Firechans isn't making things up, he is right. You are wrong. This is a great example why many of us don't respect Edmunds as a top-paid linebacker. I hope you try to see the complexities of the game more.
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2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:
The Browns are getting exactly what they deserve.
Jimmy Haslam is getting what he deserves. The Browns and their fans don't deserve this.
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7 minutes ago, MJS said:
For a mediocre QB. Crazy.
Living in Cleveland I get to see his game more now. Weak pocket awareness and his ball placement/accuracy is randomly a little sketchy. On full display last night. Last week I chalked it up to the rain but plain to see last night. I won't be sad if he gets suspended/injured at some point because they late round drafted this QB from UCLA, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, who did some good things this preseason with moxie and may have a legit chance to be a starter down the line.
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1 hour ago, noacls said:
Poyer missed the tackle. Took horrible angle as usual and he lost a step
Poyer's lost two steps. Yesterday, he couldn't run anything down unless it was straight in front of him. McD's going to need to address it or opposing OC's will.
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2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
There's no Miller, and there are not a lot of new faces on the Dline, so it it's going to look different, it's going to be McDermott's doing.
Definitely agree. But I was never satisfied with how Frazier ran the D, hopefully we're smartly and notably more aggressive tonight.
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14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I agree about the lines.
Watching the Cowboys' lines last night was eye-opening. They were powerful on both sides of the ball. The Bills haven't approached anything like that for a long time. Torrence might help, but as you say, Dawkins (and Brown) needs to step up. Defensive line has to be more dominant.
Yesterday I watched the Browns D-line just utterly handle Cinci's O line and it brought back sour contrasting memories of our impotence in the playoff game. We'll get our first look at things tonight.
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17 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
I don't know that you're right, that any reasonable analysis puts them behind the Chiefs and Bengals. I agree, looking backward, they definitely were third. Looking forward, I think one could reach a different conclusion.
They might have been complacent last season, but my point is that I don't see them being complacent this season. I think they ache to win this season, and the ache will be there all season. Salonpas won't work; there's only one cure for that ache.
Well, they looked pretty damn complacent against the Steelers a few weeks ago. Thanks for your great thoughts, I want them to be right.
I like reading how Josh Allen is going to be more hands-on about everything with the offense this year. I like that McDermott is running the D and already shows signs of more aggressive play calling and blitzing to pressure the QB.
I'm most concerned about this O-line being able to be dominant enough against the teams that matter. Torrence is a Godsend, but if Dawkin's play falls off it's going to be a problem come playoffs.
I'm secondly concerned with this D-line becoming a dominant force against the best teams. We couldn't even handle Cinci's patched up O-line last year. We've spent far too much money and draft picks for them not to shoulder more of the load this year. Especially with our MLB situation.
Looking forward to seeing how they look Monday. Great test against the Jets.
Go Bills!
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9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:
This guy was a proud boy. I have zero empathy.
Yep, welcome back to weality, wight wing weetards. A Trump-appointed judge dealing it out and standing up proudly for this country!
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Rapinoe didn't deserve to be on the field. Slow, rusty, and unmotivated when she was brought in. Reminded me of Abby Wambach back in 2015. Washed up. Bye-bye coach.
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Interesting development to me today:
Igor Girkin/Strelkov played a leadership role for Russia in Donetsk in 2014 and has ties to the military and current conflict in Ukraine. He's been hugely critical of Russian leadership, including Putin, for some time now. He also doesn't like and is critical of Prigozhin and Wagner.
What's interesting to me is why is Girkin arrested while Prigozhin is still free and mouthing off?
I've never fully believed the health/cancer rumors about Putin but at this point I wonder if there is some truth to them and Prigozhin is tabbed to soon be his successor? Perhaps just biding time in Belarus until Putin's gone? It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me otherwise.
Thoughts?
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On 7/17/2023 at 9:48 AM, Doc said:
As an independent, I don't want Joke and Kammy near the WH again. If Don is the nom, I'll pull the lever with my nose held.
I can understand, for me all the conspiracy crap went mainstream right before Donnie's election and the Republican Party is just an utter mess of right wing snowflakes since then. While things started well, Donnie's ego and swamp really got going the second half of his presidency. He will mess this F country up for a good long time if he gets back in. He's no longer rational.
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18 hours ago, Doc said:
Anyone else. No one wants Joke or Kammy again.
No one wants dipsh*t Donnie either, and the Repugnantfans can't seem to get that through their thick skulls.
As an independent, if those are my only two choices I'm voting to keep Trump out and so are a ton of reasonably-minded voters.
I'm hoping either Biden dies in 6 months or the RNC and party come to their senses.
Let's face it, the old guard on both sides cling to power and the money brokers continue to support them even as it weakens and tears the country apart. Most troubling of times...
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I liked Tyrod and he was an important bridge QB. My optimism for him fizzled by the end of year 1.
On the field, for me, he was a slight step up from Kyle Orton.
Both of them left me with vomit in the back of my throat. They were never going to do what it took to win a game down the stretch.
Kyle, because he didn't give a crap to risk himself. Tyrod, because he didn't seem to have a clue about when or the need to take risks.
Fitz I have respect for on the field because he gave it all he had and took the risks as needed.
I'll take losing while trying to win over cowardly losing 100x over.
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9 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:
Thanks for the info and advice - and good luck with the brewery research. I have the plastic fermenters and we have at least two places locally where I can buy the kits. I never graduated to choosing the specific ingredients and measuring/weighing. The one addition to my setup that was great was a chiller - basically a copper coll to run cold water through to cool down the wort.
The one thing that for the life of me I can't remember is how I siphoned the wort from the fermenter to the bottling bucket. When I pick up the kit I'm gonna see if there's some kind of pump I can buy - saw something about that online.
This stuff is the bomb for sanitizing, definitely worth the investment over the old ways.
There are instructions for hydrating and activating yeast.
Definitely update yourself as to the advances. You can transfer the wort by gravity with a simple hose or some fermenters have a spigot.
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Film Breakdown on Terrel Bernard - Also, Keep an Eye on the Rest of the Defense as Well.
in The Stadium Wall
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Missed seeing the game but trust your judgment. That's good but 1 for every 3 isn't good enough. Just saw he's out. We'll get our first look at the future Sunday!