VJ91

You'll have to ask the Vice President of Pro Scouting, John Guy, who convinced the rest of the inner circle that that "No-Hands-Gartner" was the answer at center for the Bills. After two pretty good games, now we find out this guy can't snap the shot gun against stout defenders??

Excuse me but the Bills are only 1-2-0 at the moment. But great point thinking the score would be double against, - I was hoping for a shoot-out win with a Lindell field goal at the end or in OT making it 45-42 or something. Instead, Greggggg freakin' Williams defense ends up kicking their butts all over the field. Who would have ever predicted that? Two plays stand out. The over - throw to T.O. open and in stride for 6 in the 3rd quarter, and the idiotic punt on 4th and 1 down by 13 points with less then 8 minutes left. Sure the Saints blew it open with garbage TD's in the end, but change those two plays, and the Bills could have pulled out their biggest win during this depressing DJ error - er era.

After he sent Moorman on the field to punt with a little over 7 minutes left, down by 13 points, and only 1 yard to go for the first down, even "Ralph Wilson's Money" should be so pissed off it galdly pays itself to Dick for the extension, just so Bills nation never has to watch another game this idiot coaches. In addition, someone has to tell Trent Edwards to throw the damn ball down the damn field. Has there ever been another NFL quarterback wasting more speed and talent at wide receiver then Edwards? 3rd and 20 something deep in your own territory losing in the second half, and you have Lee Evans, T.O. & Rosco Parrish at your disposal. Just heave the freakin' ball as far as you can throw it, and even if it's intercepted in a jump ball situation, it's just as good as a punt, and the up side would be that one of those speedsters actually catches the freakin' ball for a miracle first down.

I had no intention of grouping Lost-man in with Edwards in this thread. Lost-man was a first round draft choice, not a third rounder. Lost-man was supposed to be much better then anyone expected Edwards to be, right from the start. And Lost-man failed so big so fast, not a single one of the other 31 NFL teams thought he was worth bringing in to even compete for the back up role. Just forget about any QB's drafted in the first round for this take! I'm talking about guys like Frank Reich, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Green, Mark Bulger, Drew Brees, and the grandaddy of all late round QB's drafted, Tom Brady. (The guy he is most compared to today was also a 3rd rounder - Joe Montana!) So Brady and Montana ended up being super stars - obviously they are the only two to accomplish that feat being drafted so late. My point was that maybe the teams drafting the 2nd to 7th round QB's should think more seriously about sticking with them for more then 2 or even 3 seasons before dumping them and going on to the next "quck - fix" project through a higher round draft choice or a free agent. Brees is a perfect example of that.

First things first. The game is sold out - it can't be "blacked out" in your area. Unless you live out of town, and your Fox affiliate isn't showing the Bills game at 4:00 PM, and that's what you mean by "blacked out." I love the rest of your top 15 reasons, and hope they all work.....but I have a little more respect for small handed Drew Brees these days. Second straight road game or not, he will still throw his TD passes around. I have a good feeling that the Bills will blow through the Gregggg Williams D and score a lot too, and here's hoping the Bills win 45-42 with a 41 yard Lindell field goal at the gun!!

Back before the salary cap and total free agency, teams used to draft QB's for the future. And I mean well into the future. Now I'm not talking about the franchise top QB's like Elway, Kelly and Marino. But 2nd round QB's like Drew Brees used to get drafted and brought along over the next 3 - 5 years slowly as back ups. No worries about losing them to free agency back then so the only decision was to either trade them or cut them down the line. The Chargers fell victim to the new era in the NFL with Brees. He needed a full 3 to 4 years before coming into his own, and by then, he was a free agent and the Chargers had already invested the number one pick in the '04 draft to get Rivers in the infamous trade of first pick Eli Manning to the Giants. So Brees sucked his first three seasons from '01 to '03, and his team sucked so bad they qualified for the number one pick in the '04 draft. Since Brees had not played up to their needs at that time, they went all in for Manning / Rivers. Lo and behold, while Rivers played back up his first season, Brees breaks out and becomes the QB he had the potential to become. But heading into the future and Brees' free agency, now the Chargers had to choose between the two. Rivers has turned out great, but Brees went down to New Orleans and has become even greater. Who knew?? If Big John Butler and A.J. Smith had known how good Brees would eventually be, they could have traded out of that number one pick and received extra choices, or, gone ahead and drafted Larry Fitgerald instead of Manning. Imagine Drew Brees today playing catch with Fitzgerald for the Chargers. Anyway, my long winded point comes down to this, can we really give up on Edwards if he doesn't continue doing as well as he has started these first two games?? Edwards is a third round pick - and maybe he might need 3 - 5 years to blossom like Brees needed.

Link: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/articl...3/909250347/tbd I've bashed Marv for drafting Donte with his valuable first round pick in 2006. (#8 overall.) Cutler, Ngati, and countless other great looking well known college players were staring Marv in the face, as I watched on ESPN, anxiously awaiting the next "new start" of my beloved Bills that April afternoon. Then the name is announced: "Donte Whitner from Ohio State". I'm sure I was not alone when I yelled at the TV: "Who???" Huff was the most well know safety available in the '06 draft, and he was just taken by the Raiders the pick before Donte. (And Michael Huff certainly hasn't played up to his lofty #7 overall pick the past 3 plus seasons either!) I was pissed then, and really to be honest, I've been disapointed in Whitner's play these past 3 plus seasons. But watching him finally get his first TD on that nice 76 yard int. runback last week, and reading the article above, I"m understanding why Levy drafted the kid. He truly does have high character, and that was always number one in Marv's book. Maybe he has needed 3 years to mature into the player Levy saw. Maybe the switch to free safety was one he always needed. Whatever the reasons, now that I see better the person Whitner is, I hope his play continues to blossom at free safety and he becomes the Bills' "Ed Reed" for the next 10 seasons.

Why do you think he "worked harder then Kelly"?? Simms went something like 22 of 26 in the '86 SB to easily out play John Elway and help the Giants roll to their first SB win. Jimbo could not accomplish a game like that in any of his 4 straight SB's. In that one HUGE aspect, Simms comes out ahead. However, Kelly was way tougher, had a much stronger arm and ran the K-Gun no huddle offense to perfection, excepet of course during those 4 season ending "games." in a row. So this is a tough question. Nothing can ever be more important to a QB then even just one SB WIN. That's why Hall of Famer Jim Kelly should have been fortunate enough to at least won one of those 4. Look at some of those rummies like Hostetler, Dilfer, Brad Johnson and Mark Rypien. Certainly none of them better then journeymen NFL QB's, but SB WINNERS all. Final summation, those 4 CONSECUTIVE AFC Championships will never again be equalled in my humble opinion. Teams can barely string two consecutive seasons over .500 in today's NFL, much less be able to win 4 straight trips to the SB with free agency and the salary cap. (Soon to be followed by a non-capped season and lock-out or strike.) So for being the swashbuckling play calling strong armed QB of those amazing teams to play in 4 straight SB's, despite the fact Simms had one of the very best games any SB winning QB has ever had, Kelly comes out as the overall better QB.

Gregg Williams is the most overrated NFL coach in the game today. Plus the Saints' D sucks after two games just as bad as it sucked all of last season without him. Yet the guy keeps getting hired and getting paid huge money.

Probably Chris Ellis is next. He too looked way to promising in the preseason to keep around. Kelsay and Denny - forever.

Mike Williams sucks. One of the very worst draft picks in NFL history. He should have just lived off his Bills' money and quite football while he was behind.

What?? If I was a Jets or Pats fan, I wouldn't be bashing Russ and his inner circle - I would be thanking them! But seriously folks, I'll just shut up about the huge lack of experience all over the Bills' roster, and do the same thing I've done for 40 years and counting, hope the Bills make the playoffs this season!

So we can count on you to post nothing but positive spin the Monday after the Bills' next ugly or heart wrenching loss this season, right?? I'll tell you what I can't take, it's you band wagon "bitches" who start defending the team while they are playing well, when you know damn well you'll be out here screaming like the rest of us after they play two bad games in a row. It's a long season and there are constantly good and bad things to post about all year long. If you don't like the negative then don't choose to read it.

A lousy experienced offensive line, much like the Bills had from 2000 thru 2007. Good point. However, looking at how amazingly well the Bills kids have started off on the OL, I think the AFC East might now potentially have 4 of the best OL's collectively in the NFL. But the other three teams seem to think experience is more important along the OL, and the numbers prove it: AFC East Starting Offensive Lines' Average Years of NFL Experience Coming Into 2009: Jets: 6.6 Pats: 5.8 Dolphins: 3.4 Bills: 1.6 So my point is, what does experience plus talent bring? We'll have a much clearer answer in about 15 weeks from now. won't we?

No argument that those kids are all great draft picks and/or free agents and every one should make a fine NFL player to an All Pro NFL player, depending on how each one comes along. Now, throw in this other kid Scott, our new RT, and Buggs, our new MLB, and the Buffalo Bills have to be one of the youngest least experienced teams in the entire NFL. Excuse me for being a little frustrated that Russ's team doesn't have a few more experienced players.

Right! The Bills are holding their own September '09 re-draft. There doesn't seem to be any end in sight for practice squad or free agent rookie signings from the "war room" at One Billls Drive. Experienced NFL football players? "We don't need no stinkin experienced NFL football players!" must be the new mantra from the inner circle. It's like they are saying, "Hey, look how little we have to pay undrafted and late round rookies that are on other practice squads or have been cut. We can really stock up on these kids!" Go Bills!... in 2012 when the kids all grow up! But hey, why worry? Nobody else will get injured this season, right? It's not like the Bills are going to end up with 15 or more guys on season ending IR or anything crazy like that. I mean that hasn't happened in Buffalo for what...2 years now?? These rookies will never be forced into action, right Russ???

Truer words have never been spoken. I happen to think Brandon and the boys have short changed DJ with far too many rookies and inexperienced players all over the roster. But if he can WIN with these kids, and at least improve to 8-8-0 this season, perhaps even getting Owens to sign for another year or two, I will call this season successful for Dick. With this many back ups and even starters having almost zero NFL experience, I simply can't see the team hanging in there at the end and making the playoffs this season.

Hey, sorry I brought this negative stuff up. Please continue celebrating the win over Tampa. I guess it is silly for me to think that Brandon and the boys may have wanted to add more experience to their O-Line, which was already the least experienced in the NFL by far, now that Butler was out for the year. But you guys are right. Meredith is an excellent pick up, despite the fact that Green Bay, a team picked to finish better then the Bills by every expert, had him on their practice squad. Yes sir, excellent move. Let me ask you something. Why couldn't Brandon offer the Packers perhaps, a 4th or 5th round pick in next year's draft, for a RT that was already on their active roster - maybe even one who has played some games in the NFL?? This way, the Packers gain an extra pick next year, and then they could just slide Meredith up to their own active roster. The Bills would get an experienced back up RT that could help thim this season.......you know, this season? The only one T.O. is signed to play? The one that DJ needs to win during so he can somehow keep his job?? You guys remember this season don't you? But again, this thread sucks, so just forget I ever mentioned it, and let's look forward to both these rookies being great players if called apon, and end it at that.

The 1964 Buffalo Bills. They would have crushed the NFL Champion Browns that season, if the SB existed back then.

So Ralph and the inner circle had a big meeting yesterday regarding replacing the injured players. Overdorf was said to be an important particpant to keep the salary structure in tact. And the Bills go out there and sign two practice squad players from other teams and cut one of their own practice squad guys. That's it. No trade of Roscoe for a veteran back up RT with actual NFL game experience. No free agent signing of a veteran RT (Jon Runyan, or bringing back L. Walker at a more reasonable one year salary?). No signing of a free agent linebacker with NFL experience. Just Signing two practice squad players, and cutting one of our own. Someone please tell me exactly what role Jim freakin' Overdorff played in this meeting? Did he sleep throught it? Or did he laugh through it? After the money the Bills saved cutting Rhodes and Walker, this is how they "fortified" their team? Simply amazing. And way to throw Bowen under the bus, inner circle. The kid suffered a heart breaking inury ruining his rookie year, comes back this season and does nothing but make tackles all over the field in the five preseason games, and then gets cut twice and this time in favor of another practice squad linebacker who didn't make his 53 man roster. Wow, how long did the inner circle meet about that roster move, 5 hours? Hey I am just as optimistic about the 1-1-0 Bills as the next life long Bills fan out here. I love the offense so far, and the defense showed me something stopping the Bucs running game in it's tracks. But I still don't understand this cheapskate attitude coming from the top of One Bills Drive. How are three practice sqad players (Stupar was brought up from the practice squad also), supposed to help out the Bills thin depth at OL, TE and LB?

Very creative - plus it shows your age, not many 20 somethings out here remember Dandy Don! Of course I'm a 50 something, so I remember Dandy Don, Howard and Frank from the very beginning.

Yeah, Joe Namouth was real cool and "classy" when he told Suzie Kolber on Monday Night Football a few years ago, that "she was really pretty, and that he wanted to kiss her." She was awesome, and just smiled that cute smile of hers and said; "thanks, Joe."...as the network scrambled to cut away from Joe "Lush" Willie pawing after helpless Suzie. Very cool, that Joe Namouth.

You have to be joking right?? If Edwards finishes in the top 10 rated QB's after 16 games, do you really think his agent won't demand a huge renegotiation, regardless of whether there is another year left on Edwards' rookie contract or not? Did you learn nothing from the Peters fiasco?? The Buffalo Bills - nor any other NFL team for that matter - has "the upper hand" in any players contracts today. Plus Edwards hasn't even signed an upgraded contract like Peters did before he was voted into the Pro Bowl and decided it was his time to break the bank. Please believe me, TE may have more class and dare I say, even loyalty towards the Bills' organization then JP ever had regarding his contract. However, if he manages to stay healthy this season (huge if), and he continues to play this well, all season - the Bills only smart move will be to offer him a big long contract that other teams would offer him based on how many horrible QB's start today. Please don't waste your time thinking the Bills have any "upper hands" in negotiations with Edwards. Just look at how much money the Eagles paid a young Left Tackle after trading the first round pick that ended up being Eric Wood to Buffalo! No, TE and his agent will have all the hands, upper and lower, when this season ends if he continues to play this well all year!!

Great Post! How does Perry Fewell escape criticism?.....He has never escaped criticism from me, as proven by my post from last week: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?showtopic=96371 As for why the Buffalo media seem to give this guy a free pass, who the hell knows why? Here's another question: why does the local media go to Chris "No Sacks-No Tackles" Kelsay week after week for sound bites on everything Buffalo Bills, as though Kelsay was the star player on defense or something? They even had a Kelsay quote on how Maybin was coming along! Kelsay was talking as if the kid was absoultely zero threat to his starting end position. Simply mind boggling.

Did you watch the game Monday night? My post is nowhere near as weak as the Bills' third down defense was. I don't care about the spin from Fewell. But what exactly is he spinning? What are these complex shemes he's calling and where are the results?