VJ91

Hey, that's great - 9 Championships for the Cleveland Browns. I never said they had no tradition. My point is that since that last Championship in 1964, some 45 years ago, the Buffalo Bills "tradition" is much better. And it made me laugh to listen to Mike Holmgren go on and on about the great Browns' tradition, while he never even gave Russ Brandon the chance to fly out to Seattle and talk to him about the Buffalo Bills.

Mike Holmgren may or may not make a great President in Charge of Football Operations....of Bill Parcells ilk in Miami, for the Browns. That point has been debated already. Personally, I would have liked the guy to have the same position here. But I have a different question. Just what great football "traditions" are there in Cleveland, compared to Buffalo? OK, the Browns entered the NFL 10 years before the Bills entered the AFL, and from 1950 to 1959, they won NFL Championships early and often that first decade under Hall of Fame coach Paul Brown. They won their last NFL Championship in 1964. But how many fans from that 1950 to 1959 era are left today to celebrate that 60 year old "tradition"? The Bills ironically, won their first AFL Championship in 1964, that last year the Browns won the NFL Championship. Comparing both franchises "traditions" since that Championship season of 1964 for both, the Cleveland tradition pales greatly! I could care less about looking up exact number of divisional championships or wildcard playoff seasons for the Browns since 1964, but every one knows two things about them since then: (1) They have NEVER played in a Super Bowl, while the Buffalo Bills have played in FOUR. (2) Their scum bag owner Art Modell left the "tradition-rich" Browns without a team for 3 seasons in the late 90's. while the Bills have never left Orchard Park. What kind of "tradition" is that for the past 46 years in Cleveland? What, the fans "forced" Modell to leave behind the Browns name and ugly plain white and orange uniforms to rot for three years while he took the hundreds of millions from Baltimore and built a Super Bowl WINNING new Ravens team in 5 short years??? That's what the "great" fans of Cleveland call TRADITION?? Wow, how impressive. Maybe if those same tradition-rich fans of Cleveland would have voted for a new stadium to be built during the 25 years Modell begged them for one, they never would have lost their NFL team for 3 years in the first place. Since they lost their first "tradition-rich" NFL team to Baltimore, the great fans of "tradition-rich" Cleveland were rewarded by being forced to pay non-traditional PSL's for their seats to their new stadium for the past 10 years. How great, huh?? The Bills may be struggling to compete financially today, but I will take Buffalo tradition over Clevelands' any day!! Good luck, Holmgren, despite all that "tradition", the Browns suck even more then the Bills!

Nice.

Outstanding come back!

When Dick Jauron gets fired in January, we will all be relieved to not have to see his calm, unemotional face on the sidelines ever again in charge of the Bills. But T.O. gave him the chance to finally stand up and act like a real head coach of an NFL team yesterday, and predictably, he cowered and did nothing. As Owens screamed at Tyke Tolbert, because I guess Tolbert was supposed to remind T.O. how to line up correctly when Ownes got flagged for not being on the line of scrimmage, didn't we all wish Jauron would have gone over to Owens and sit his diva butt on the bench for the rest of the game?? It would have been awesome to see him lose it after 3 and a half years of zombie like game-time behavior and scream right back at Owens, but that would have been expecting way too much. Instead, DJ could have calmly walked over to Owens, and said "you're out the rest of the game for raising your voice at a coach, even though it goes on all the time on NFL benches, I warned you the first day of training camp, if you do it one time this season, you will be on the bench. So Terrell, sit down." Of course it would make no difference to that game or this season. In fact, it would have cost the Bills a TD, since Owens caught that 46 yard pass the next series to set up a TD. And of course DJ would still get fired this January. Or not? You never know what kind of things can change an entire football team's mentality. Maybe the team would have gained some respect for the coach that they lie about week after week. You know their lie, that they "love playing for him." By DJ benching the one year and gone Diva, the team might have really decided they like Jauron, and maybe they would have actually tried to eliminate mistakes begining next week in Jacksonville. Crazier things have happened in the NFL. I remember the Colts were setting records in giving up rushing yards during the 2006 regular season. Nobody thought they had a chance to win even their first playoff game due to their pourous run defense. One player got healthy and returned to the lineup late in the season, their SS, and all of a sudden their entire defense improved like 100% against the run. They swept through the playoffs and beat the Bears in the SB. Of course I'm not saying the Bills have that kind of talent to win the SB this season. But my point is, it sometimes only takes one player, or one coach, to make a positive statement or come back from an injury, to improve the entire team. Remember when Singletary threw his diva tight end out of the stadium last year? Kicked his butt right into the locker room? They finished up 5-4-0 in their last 9 games. Anyway, the Bills suck so bad in so many positions, I don't think Vince Lombardi could figure out how to take this group at this point, and go even 4-3-0 the rest of the way! But DJ could have benched Owens, if only to gain some long lost self respect as he coaches his last 7 games of his NFL head coaching career.

I can't imagine how good the Bills would be with Chris Petersen as head coach. I can't, because I don't know who he is! Will someone enlighten me with his bio??

Well, it's hard to win a game in the NFL.

It was frustrating, and disapointing to Bills nation and of course to the organization and players themselves. But to think that winning 4 consecutive AFC Championships to represent in 4 consecutive Super Bowls should be considered an embarrassment, is extremely shallow and ingnorant. They lost all 4 games, but guess what, they are still the only team in the 44 year history of the Super Bowl, to play in 4 consecutive ones. And so far, the Hall of Fame voters seem to disagree with your "embarrassment" take, since Levy, Kelly, Thomas and Smith were all voted in on their first ballots, Ralph Wilson made it in last year, and Andre Reed will make it soon enough.

Absolutely. He still pulled the ball back when he had time to throw. Now I know he never had a lot of time, and idiot Fat Van Pelt continues to make him take 5 step drops all day long, I know that. Yet he either is too egotistical to throw too many interceptions, or he has unrealistic expectations of how open his receivers have to be before he throws the dam football. He sucks, and I can't wait until he is either our full time back up or is cut altogether. And what was up with those pathetic passes he threw to Owens when he had plenty of time to throw, late in the game? Even DJ saw he needed to be benched after that amazingly bad series. Now, if the kid is hurting from headaches, then I'm sorry I bashed him. Maybe he was hurting. But if that's the case, then give him the rest of this lost season off to heal up completely. I find it hard to understand, however, you would think that if he was protecting his head from getting hit again, he would stop pulling back on those passes and get rid of the ball even more!

Of course you accept the penalty and knock them out of field goal range. Especially when their kicker is Baronis, who has a rocket for a leg. But this is DJ we're talking about here. Nothing he does makes sense, and I can't wait until he's gone.

Russ Brandon sold the fans on hope these past two seasons. And bringing T.O. in helped him sell out this season. Don't worry, it's all over for him and Ralph as far as selling seats, luxury seats and gear. Wilson won't fire Dick, so you will see a lot of empty "sold" seats on TV home games the rest of this year. The Toronto game will be another joke, as more Jets fans will show up then Bills fans. Actually, seeing how bad the Jets are playing lately, there may not be fans of either team there. The Bills will continue to self destruct and get injured and this season will end up 5-11-0, same as Mularkey's last season, before Marv and Dick came along to extend the misery four more years. There will be mass cancellations of season tickets unless Wilson brings in a proven, experienced football man to take over the organization, as Vic Carucci seems to think he will be hiring. If and when that guy comes in, he will have some serious cleaning house and some even better moves to make in free agency and the draft, before Brandon (if he's still around) will be able to sell us 7 more sold out home games for 2010!!

F*uck your life? May I suggest you find another hobby outside of Bills football, you are over stressed. Besides, next season the Bills will have a different DC who will most likely not run this idiotic "gap" defense. Watch for Fewell's comments this coming week, he will once again blame his players for not being in their proper gaps. the problem is, they haven't been able to figure out what ther proper gaps are since he started coaching this scheme over 3 and half years ago, now.

This is not a vaild thread at least until the Bills are mathematically elimated from the division race, and then the playoffs completely. Every fan, no matter how bad the coaching or team may be, should root for wins every game. But while I do always root for them to win, after they can no longer make the playoffs, loses don't upset me at all.

Thank you. I do enjoy being "dumb as hell." By the way, WHEN Eric Wood moves over to center next year, you can go ahead and call yourself "dumber then dumb as hell." Because the real football coach running the Bills next year will cut Hangartner or stick his sorry butt back on the bench. And a real NFL coach would have started Wood at center from day one. And if Nic Harris is such a natural linebacker, why did the Bills move him back to safety at all? And if Harris is now back at his "natural NFL position of LB", after looking so promising there every time he's been allowed to play, why not just let him start with Palmer backing him up. so Scott can come back and continue his good playing at strong saftey, which has been his only position he's played in the NFL so far?? I'll tell you why, because DJ and Fewell and the coaches on the Bills are the ones that are "dumb as hell." And one last thing. I would rather have Andy Levitre starting at right tackle for the Bills this season, with his freakin' midget arrms and all, then any of the bartenders the Bills have brought in off the street. At least Levitre would have gone into practice playing the same position he played in college, right Einstein? And I bet Levitre would be a better option if kept out there at RT, then the 5th round draft pick that ended up on the Packers practice squad that the Bills picked up and are now starting, the awesome Jamon Meredith. Or is he still injured too?

Vince Young and Brian Brohm would sure look a hell of a lot better on the Bills sideline right about now then Trent Edwards and Gibran Hamden! (With appoligies to the "Chroisen one's Fan Club".) The Titans letting Young go would be very interesting. I also agree this kid has tons of potential. But before we get too excited, he could very well help the Titans win out or go 7-1-0 or even 6-2-0 putting up good stats, and of course the Titans would then be stupid to trade or cut him - even if he has a huge contract extension looming due to his high draft choice back in '06.

I have never seen an NFL team force players to switch to different positions as much as this '09 edition of the Buffalo Bills. I'm ready for DJ to announce that he is now going to just play his best 22 athletes both ways, and cut everyone else! Let's reveiw shall we?: 1) Hangartner, career back up guard / center starts at center. 2) Eric Wood, one of the best pure centers coming out of the draft, is forced to switch to guard and starts. 3) Brad Butler, who played a nice full season at right guard after playing mostly tackle in college, is forced to switch back to right tackle, and starts, until his season ending injury. 4) Lansgton Walker, an average but decent career right tackle, is forced to switch to left tackle and run it out of a full time no huddle, but sucks so badly, is cut. 5) Andy Levitre, a better then average rated right tackle out of college, is drafted, forced to swith to guard, and starts. 6) Nic Harris, a hard hitting saftey out ot college, is immediately switched to linebacker, looks terrific there in the preseason, loses out to undrafted rookie Ashlee Palmer for depth chart playing time, is switched back over to safety due to injuries, and now I have no idea where is listed on the roster??? 7) Bryan Scott earns the starting strong safety position last year due to Donte Whitner getting injured each and every game he plays in. Scott keeps his starting job into this season, then suffers injuries himself, comes back from his injuries, and is immediately forced to switch to linebacker. 8) Donte Whitner, the man that was drafted number 8 overall by Marv Levy to "solidify the middle of the Bills' defense" as his future "Troy Palamalu" type strong saftey, is now officially lost in limbo. He was forced to switch to free safety last year during the games he wasn't injured, and seemed to play well next to Scott. Naturally he gets injured starting the season at free safety again this season, which opened the door for Jarius Byrd to come in as a rookie and lock up the starting free safety position for about the next 12 years barring his own injuries. So now what for Whitner if he can actually play this week? Back to strong safety again? I guess that will make Marv Levy happy, but not as happy as the Titan's tight ends, thats for sure! By the way, if the Bills are pushing Scott off to linebacker just to appease Whitner, if indeed Whitner is starting at SS today, the only thing that will accomplish is for Vince Young to have a better day throwing and running the ball, while Scott obviously struggles starting a position he's never played. In addition as a bonus, Palmer and Harris are left on the bench wondering just WTF is going on?? Boy I hope Vic Carucci is right about Ralph bringing in a real football man next year. Not only can these coaches not win football games, but at the same time they are stunting the natural careers of potentially good players by forcing them to play every other position but long snappers!!!

No one can speak intelligently on Ralph Wilson's mind. In another thread today it seems Vic Carucci has heard some rumblings from One Bills Drive that Ralph may be willing to bring in a high profile type GM, who would fire Jauron instantly if Ralph left Dick hanging. But I really don't think Jauron needs to worry about coaching here next season. Unless his Bills go 7-1-0 and make the playoffs, he's gone. 8-8-0 won't get it done. I don't think he stays even if the Bills go 6-2-0 and finish 9-7-0 out of the playoffs. It's time to get on with it, and ship Dick and his entire staff out of here. And oh by the way, I can't see this team even getting up to another 7-9-0. I predicit them to go out with a whimper and finish up 4-12-0.

Well, those 4,000 + yards he threw for Denver last year sure looked awful good to me. The guy came into a brand new offense without a Brandon Marshall - it's only 9 games in, give him a chance. It's not his fault the Bears running game has gone south on him with Forte having a sophomore jinx season. Anyway, back in 2006, when Marv Levy reached for Donte Whitner to "build his defense from the middle out", as he so eloquently explained, I still wish he would have drafted Cutler, still on the board, instead. So here I am, one of the Cutler "lovers", responding to your call out.

...and run over mis-guided people walking across the middle of the road and kill them? Happens every day, right? Maybe that poor soul who died is the one that should have been prosecuted and convicted for walking right out in front of poor drunk Donte Stallworth. After all, it could have been any of us using our cell phones and running over that dumb guy. Hey I know what we should do. Let's make jay-walking the felony. Yeah that's the ticket. Next time you or I are stupid enough to cross a road or highway outside the interesections, and get caught doing it, we should get thrown into federal prison for 10 years. At least that might cut down on drunk drivers or cell phone users killing us stupid jay walkers in the first place, right??????

First of all, Scott has played pretty well as a hard hitting SS. By moving him to LB, I guess that menas that Whitner is finally healthy and will play SS himself?? So even if that's true, Whitner gets re-injured almost every freakin' week, isn't Scott an excellent back up for when Donte' goes out again? What is it with these Bills coaches forcing players to switch positions all over the place? They ruined the average but certainly not horrible career of Langston Walker by forcing him to play left tackle, and then forcing him to play it out of that pathetic no huddle. They forced Brad Butler to switch to right tackle after he had settled in as the starting right guard. They signed a free agent career back up center-guard to play full time center, and they drafted one of the best pure centers to come out of college and switched him to guard. Finally, they drafted a pretty good right tackle out of college and naturally switched him to guard too. And the good looking hard hitting rookie safety, Nic Harris, has been going back and fourth from linebacker to safety and back all season. What's next for these coaches, making their best players go both ways??

Great. But what about his number 1 pick, Aaron Maybin? Why on earth doesn't Perry let that kid play more so he can use his natural talent to make plays, too??? Go ahead and flame this post with your "Maybin sucks", "Maybins' a bust", "Why didn't the Bills draft Orakpo" takes, you're all crazy....it is way too soon to write this kid off. If Fewell decided from day one to make Maybin his first DE off the bench, instead of slow, plodding sackless Ryan Denny, the kid would have made plenty of plays by now. And if Fewell and his ego will allow Maybin more playing time these next 8 games, I guarantee you he will compile sacks and make plays behind or at the line of scrimmage. Quite a double standard Fewell has between his two top rookies this season. Of course Byrd looks like a very special talent with an amazing nose for the football, and a receivers' ability to catch it. But every rookie has his own time table in getting used to the speed and strength of the NFL. I am very impressed with Maybin's quickness off the ball. I think he too can be a special player. But Fewell needs to let him play and learn, just like he's letting Byrd play and learn.

I would love to see your second half vision come true. Regardless of how much I hate Dick and Fewell (and I do), I always want the team to win every time I sit down to watch them. I however, can't logically see this team winning Dick's usual 7 games, much less 9. I hope you are right, but if I am, at least we will both be able to say goodbye to the Dick Jauron era.

Wow. It sure is hard to win games in the NFL isn't it? But you are right, and although I watch every game and always root for them to win, at this point I really don't care if they lose the rest and finish up a solid 3-13-0, good for a top 5 pick in April, as long as the firing of Jauron and Fewell happens long before the '10 draft!

Yes, because Plaxico's high paid lawyers could not keep him out of prison. That's my take, if a player screws up badly enough to spend time in prison after his trial and after sentencing, then he should be banned from the NFL. What do you think? Do you think that rule would help these young idiots from doing the stupid things they do off the field? I think it would. I think that if they had that rule written into their handbook, they might leave the unlicensed gun at home. They might call the limo service to pick them up. Or they might not have made the decision to kill dogs for fun. Nobody knows for sure, but that's my opinion anyway.

This is not personal. This is a business opinion. I think it is bad business for the NFL to allow felons back into the league to play football and continue to earn millions of dollars. I think it sends a horrible example out to all future and current NFL players. And again, I ask where can they draw the line?? Will it be with the psycho NFL diva who beats his girl friend to death, gets his high priced lawyer to reduce the charges to assault, serves his 3 and 1/2 years in prison, and then expects to be welcomed right back into the league?? Come on, you can see it happening, Vick murdered and tortured living beings. Believe me, human beings are next....oh wait, a human being has been killed by an NFL player - Donte Stallworth's victom. Oh but that guy walked right out in front of Stallworth, and Donte could not have avoided hitting him, right?? Yeah sure, tell that to any MAD mother today - Stallworth could not have avoided hitting that guy while he was well over the legal limit to drive a car, right???? "Spirit of Forgivness" is all well and good. Vick, Burress and Stallworth will and have served their time behind bars and certainly deserve the chance to earn a living. But I say make them work for their new job like any other convicted felon has to! And absolutely, the NFL should not allow them to play again in the NFL.