John from Riverside Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I understand that the impulse is always to hope for wins. But wins, right now, are exactly what we don't need. There's no way the 2009 Bills are going to the playoffs. None. So the only thing a win provides is an excuse to Ralph to stick with Jauron for yet another season, and thereby get out of eating some of that contract. Oh, and a win hurts us in the draft. One year, the Bills and the Panthers were two of the worst teams in the league. They played each other, and the Bills won! Because of that accursed win, the Bills picked fourth overall. The Panthers picked second. The Panthers used their pick on Julius Peppers. Two spots later, the Bills chose Mike Williams. I realize that's an extreme example, and that winning won't always hurt you as much as it might imply. But it can! For example, Peyton Manning was chosen first overall in the draft. The second player taken that year? Ryan Leaf! I'd like nothing better than to see this team go 1-15. 1-15 gets us a new head coach, a new offensive and defensive scheme, and probably the first overall pick in the draft. Another 7-9 season might not get us any of those things. Other than affecting the morale of a bunch of players who (in many cases) need to be replaced anyway, what long-term advantage does 7-9 have over 1-15? This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I understand that the impulse is always to hope for wins. But wins, right now, are exactly what we don't need. There's no way the 2009 Bills are going to the playoffs. None. So the only thing a win provides is an excuse to Ralph to stick with Jauron for yet another season, and thereby get out of eating some of that contract. Oh, and a win hurts us in the draft. One year, the Bills and the Panthers were two of the worst teams in the league. They played each other, and the Bills won! Because of that accursed win, the Bills picked fourth overall. The Panthers picked second. The Panthers used their pick on Julius Peppers. Two spots later, the Bills chose Mike Williams. I realize that's an extreme example, and that winning won't always hurt you as much as it might imply. But it can! For example, Peyton Manning was chosen first overall in the draft. The second player taken that year? Ryan Leaf! I'd like nothing better than to see this team go 1-15. 1-15 gets us a new head coach, a new offensive and defensive scheme, and probably the first overall pick in the draft. Another 7-9 season might not get us any of those things. Other than affecting the morale of a bunch of players who (in many cases) need to be replaced anyway, what long-term advantage does 7-9 have over 1-15? 1-15 just might be enough to wake up the old man to make a move, I'm hoping it happens at the by week though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 The Bills lost both divisional games. Lost. "Almost" doesn't count. And....in all likelihood, the Bills will be 0-3 in the division and 1-5 overall after Sunday, regardless of whether they "almost" beat the Jets or get whomped. Correct. My point is the Bills, right know, are only 2 games out of the division lead with 11 games left. Even if (when) they lose Sunday, they still have 10 games left in the season. Ralph sees this and won't pull the trigger until the math says we don't have a chance. Do I think we have a chance? No way. But until there is no hope, Ralph ain't going to pull the trigger, too much $$$$ involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffMuff Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I understand that the impulse is always to hope for wins. But wins, right now, are exactly what we don't need. There's no way the 2009 Bills are going to the playoffs. None. So the only thing a win provides is an excuse to Ralph to stick with Jauron for yet another season, and thereby get out of eating some of that contract. Oh, and a win hurts us in the draft. One year, the Bills and the Panthers were two of the worst teams in the league. They played each other, and the Bills won! Because of that accursed win, the Bills picked fourth overall. The Panthers picked second. The Panthers used their pick on Julius Peppers. Two spots later, the Bills chose Mike Williams. I realize that's an extreme example, and that winning won't always hurt you as much as it might imply. But it can! For example, Peyton Manning was chosen first overall in the draft. The second player taken that year? Ryan Leaf! I'd like nothing better than to see this team go 1-15. 1-15 gets us a new head coach, a new offensive and defensive scheme, and probably the first overall pick in the draft. Another 7-9 season might not get us any of those things. Other than affecting the morale of a bunch of players who (in many cases) need to be replaced anyway, what long-term advantage does 7-9 have over 1-15? Your right - almost. Its rational but Ralph is nothing but. We would have taken M. Williams 2nd and left Peppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 You people seriously think Ralph is sitting there right now and not ready to can DJ? The problem right now is the timing, anyone who takes over has less then 7 days to take over and prepare a team for the next week. The earliest anything will happen is at the Bye Week, and a co-ordinator like April will take over for atleast the rest of the season. Ralph might be old, but unlike most here, he isn't stupid, or borderline senile/retarded. He knows the fans are unhappy (btw, he doesn't need a billboard to let him know it) and a change will be coming. The problem is it won't be at the time the fans want it. If the move doesn't come at the Bye week its cause theres no coach/co-ordinator on the roster that will be an improvement, so why get rid of someone and have to keep paying them, while upping the pay of a co-ordinator that won't make them any better? I can also guarantee that if the move doesn't come during the Bye, that the Bills will not promote someone from the current staff and will look outside the organisation for a new coach. Fans won't be happy cause it won't be Cowher, or one of the other "Superstar" coach that everyone thinks the Bills just have to walk up to and offer the job with alot of money and they will take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Correct. My point is the Bills, right know, are only 2 games out of the division lead with 11 games left. Even if (when) they lose Sunday, they still have 10 games left in the season. Ralph sees this and won't pull the trigger until the math says we don't have a chance. Do I think we have a chance? No way. But until there is no hope, Ralph ain't going to pull the trigger, too much $$$$ involved. And I'm right with Ralph on this. Don't ever give up on a season till hope is mathematically eliminated. Go back and look through our recent history and you'll see that seasons with major turnaround in them are more common than those without. And before those turnarounds, the fans thought that they knew what was happening and how the season would end. Last year's season turned down. 2006 turned up. It happens, even when you don't expect it. Hell, that's what a turnaround is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I really don't care what "NFL analysts" think. It really doesn't matter. Dick has totally screwed this thing up and doesn't deserve the job anymore. He blew it with Oline. He blew it by not having a competent OC on staff. He blows by leaving Trent in to languish. He's got 2 great RBs and 2 great WRs and can only must 13 points in the last 3 games. It's pathetic. Period. Run him out of town. We're going to suck with him, we may as well suck without him and not have deal with him anymore. We can start to move on instead of waiting until the offseason which is a long ways off. It ain't over till it's over. And it ain't over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Correct. My point is the Bills, right know, are only 2 games out of the division lead with 11 games left. Even if (when) they lose Sunday, they still have 10 games left in the season. Ralph sees this and won't pull the trigger until the math says we don't have a chance. Do I think we have a chance? No way. But until there is no hope, Ralph ain't going to pull the trigger, too much $$$$ involved. I agree with your last sentence, "Too much $$$$ involved". Specifically, why would Ralph fire Jauron before the end of the season? Is a new coach, interim or not, going to make any real difference with all the problems this team has? If not, why send Jauron packing and continue to pay him? That's not Ralph's style and in all likelihood, it's not get this team more wins this season. The fans are tired of losing and don't really care if the HC is Williams, Mularkey, Jauron, April, May or June. No one knows what Ralph is thinking, but past history seems to indicate that Ralph will wait until the end of the season to make a move. Speaking for myself, I hope that Ralph is putting the wheels in motion for a new HC now and has things in place for the end of the season. That's assuming the Bills don't pull off a miracle and turn things around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 And I'm right with Ralph on this. Don't ever give up on a season till hope is mathematically eliminated. Go back and look through our recent history and you'll see that seasons with major turnaround in them are more common than those without. And before those turnarounds, the fans thought that they knew what was happening and how the season would end. Last year's season turned down. 2006 turned up. It happens, even when you don't expect it. Hell, that's what a turnaround is. True enough. But it would be prudent on Ralph's part to put the wheels in motion for a new HC now, rather than wait until mathematics seals the deal. It may be too late to get who he wants by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzer32 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 The Bills will be out of the playoffs soon enough, but somehow the Bills will win the last two games of the season, against 2nd and 3rd teamers and Ralph will see this as a step in the right direction and decide to keep DJ for the remainder of his contract. This would just be our (as Bills fans) luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 The Bills will be out of the playoffs soon enough, but somehow the Bills will win the last two games of the season, against 2nd and 3rd teamers and Ralph will see this as a step in the right direction and decide to keep DJ for the remainder of his contract. This would just be our (as Bills fans) luck. Doubtful, as season ticket holders are currently suffering from buyers remorse. The front office fooled so many this year with the TO move and EVERYONE suddenly wanted tickets. Wilson would have to trade for Payton Manning or Tom Brady to fool everyone again next year. The offensive coordinator came out and stated the team lacked a a big time threat opposite Lee Evans, and it did. But our lovable moronic head coach then dismantled the O line and the front office traded away the only pro bowl lineman, thereby destroying the tackle position. You would think that when you trade away a top player that the team would have looked to the draft to replace Peters. Every team in the top 6 wanted to trade outta their spots, but the Bills didn't want to replace Jason Peters with another high priced player. Jason Peters must go home every day and thank the lord he is outta the hell hole that is the current Bills team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuffan34 Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 Doubtful, as season ticket holders are currently suffering from buyers remorse. The front office fooled so many this year with the TO move and EVERYONE suddenly wanted tickets. Wilson would have to trade for Payton Manning or Tom Brady to fool everyone again next year. The offensive coordinator came out and stated the team lacked a a big time threat opposite Lee Evans, and it did. But our lovable moronic head coach then dismantled the O line and the front office traded away the only pro bowl lineman, thereby destroying the tackle position. You would think that when you trade away a top player that the team would have looked to the draft to replace Peters. Every team in the top 6 wanted to trade outta their spots, but the Bills didn't want to replace Jason Peters with another high priced player. Jason Peters must go home every day and thank the lord he is outta the hell hole that is the current Bills team. Gotta tell you folks, I've never been so happy about being so wrong. I'm anxious to see what Fitz can do taking all the snaps and starting this week against the Panthers! I still don't think that Jauron is the right coach for this team but I'm excited for this Sunday, and to be honest I didn't think I would be at this point. GO BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yeah, you know, Carolina looks like another team that could totally **** the bed and give us a zillion chances to win, despite ourselves. Awesome. We can climb our way right out of contention for a decent draft pick (without trading for it), and still miss the playoffs. Or hey, maybe nine more QBs we are slated to play can pull a Sanchez and we can barely pull out a victory in all of those games, get into the playoffs, and get beat 77-2 in the Wild Card game. Life is !@#$in' SAWEEEET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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