Fewell733 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 from WGR's Nick Mendola: http://www.wgr550.com/See-ya-later/5168517 "While 2008 in Buffalo was his only year as an offensive coordinator, Schonert has been the quarterbacks coach for 13 seasons with five clubs. In 1992, Schonert headed to Tampa Bay where he "guided" Vinny Testaverde to 14 touchdowns and 16 interceptions and a ticket out of Tampa. The Bucs were 5-11, but Turk stayed, with a young quarterback under his tutelage. Miami's Craig Erickson skippered Tampa to a 11-18 record over two years, but did show improvement before being booted in favor of Trent Dilfer. Dilfer tossed four touchdowns to go with 18 interceptions under Schonert, who was removed from his post and headed North. Schonert's greatest success came in Buffalo from 1998-2000, where he couldn't choose between two quarterbacks with successful numbers. The Bills were 29-19 during that time, with Doug Flutie (47 TD, 30 INT) and Rob Johnson (22 TD, 10 INT) co-existing peacefully. He left after an 8-8 campaign in Orchard Park. Schonert had another inexperienced starter in Carolina in 2001. Chris Weinke went 1-14 as a starter, with 11 TD and 19 INT. Turk's tenure in Carolina ended there. He took a year off in 2002 before returning to the league in 2003 with the Giants, where he coached Kerry Collins to one of his worst years as a professional. Collins and Schonert were out of jobs. After another year off, Schonert spent a season with the Saints, ensuring the end of Aaron Brooks' time in New Orleans. Three wins and 13 losses tend to correspond with 13 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. Schonert, Brooks, gone. Sensing a pattern here? Schonert has failed with rookies, veterans, Pro Bowlers and Super Bowlers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Yet we keep one of the worst head coaches in the NFL with a career losing record and ONE winning seasons...makes sense right. Oh, and we keep a Pro Personnel Director who brought in the trio of Suckery, WalkonHomeBoy, and Little...way to go OBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 from WGR's Nick Mendola: WGR has been banging this drum since the announcement of Turk's promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 from WGR's Nick Mendola: http://www.wgr550.com/See-ya-later/5168517 "While 2008 in Buffalo was his only year as an offensive coordinator, Schonert has been the quarterbacks coach for 13 seasons with five clubs. In 1992, Schonert headed to Tampa Bay where he "guided" Vinny Testaverde to 14 touchdowns and 16 interceptions and a ticket out of Tampa. The Bucs were 5-11, but Turk stayed, with a young quarterback under his tutelage. Miami's Craig Erickson skippered Tampa to a 11-18 record over two years, but did show improvement before being booted in favor of Trent Dilfer. Dilfer tossed four touchdowns to go with 18 interceptions under Schonert, who was removed from his post and headed North. Schonert's greatest success came in Buffalo from 1998-2000, where he couldn't choose between two quarterbacks with successful numbers. The Bills were 29-19 during that time, with Doug Flutie (47 TD, 30 INT) and Rob Johnson (22 TD, 10 INT) co-existing peacefully. He left after an 8-8 campaign in Orchard Park. Schonert had another inexperienced starter in Carolina in 2001. Chris Weinke went 1-14 as a starter, with 11 TD and 19 INT. Turk's tenure in Carolina ended there. He took a year off in 2002 before returning to the league in 2003 with the Giants, where he coached Kerry Collins to one of his worst years as a professional. Collins and Schonert were out of jobs. After another year off, Schonert spent a season with the Saints, ensuring the end of Aaron Brooks' time in New Orleans. Three wins and 13 losses tend to correspond with 13 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. Schonert, Brooks, gone. Sensing a pattern here? Schonert has failed with rookies, veterans, Pro Bowlers and Super Bowlers." This was all news to me. Pretty impressive list of failures; makes you wonder why teams give him a second chance and, in our case, even promote him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 wow this guys track record is absolutely HORRID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJay1234 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 So we are beating the drum of the Bills are brilliant for firing this man... Who gets to beat the drum that the Bills are a bunch of idiots for hiring this man, letting him run the offense during camp, preseason and then the light bulb goes off that maybe Turk should go. For all those that are beating the "We had a plan" drum... Was the plan to fire your offensive coordinator and release your starting LT 1 week before the season. Because that is just !@#$ing brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 We are Raiders East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 WGR has been banging this drum since the announcement of Turk's promotion. I don't like GR that much but I have been banging that drum since Shonert's original hiring and promotion. I went back and looked at every single year he was a coach and his record was just abysmal. Sure, as a QB coach you don't have a huge say, but everywhere he was the teams were just bad offenses. And bad teams hired him. And teams often did well after he left. He was just a bad hire by Jauron, who should be held responsible for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Who gets to beat the drum that the Bills are a bunch of idiots for hiring this man, letting him run the offense during camp, preseason and then the light bulb goes off that maybe Turk should go. You apparently. While the timing of the Bills moves this offseason has been suspect at best, the Bills are better because of them. Van Pelt will have to try extremely hard to be worse than Schonert and Bell is already a better LT than Walker (not saying much there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJay1234 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 You apparently. While the timing of the Bills moves this offseason has been suspect at best, the Bills are better because of them. Van Pelt will have to try extremely hard to be worse than Schonert and Bell is already a better LT than Walker (not saying much there). I really have to disagree here. Do not mistake being able to play the game for being able to coach the game. And Bell is better than Walker. Bell has barely played in this league. I think this year will be a wake up call for a ton of fans that enjoy running coaches and players out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fewell733 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 So we are beating the drum of the Bills are brilliant for firing this man... Who gets to beat the drum that the Bills are a bunch of idiots for hiring this man, letting him run the offense during camp, preseason and then the light bulb goes off that maybe Turk should go. I would say firing him seems better than keeping him on. No doubt that hiring him in the first place was a mistake, but we did and its better to correct a mistake late than not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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