SuperKillerRobots Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I'm sure he'll start the season on the PUP list, that'll buy 6 weeks to see where he's at in his recovery. I highly doubt he's IR'd. That's what I was thinking. They can always IR him if he is not recovered after the PUP time is up too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 When would be the soonest we could do this? He is not going to be near 100% until at least November anyway the sooner we can open the roster spot the better. You do realize that when you put a player on IR he can't practice with the team, right?? His second season becomes a complete wash. Worst idea yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 You do realize that when you put a player on IR he can't practice with the team, right?? His second season becomes a complete wash. Worst idea yet. Not really up on the technicalities of it. OK, PUP list then, I stand corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 ACL injuries ALWAYS TAKE A YEAR, no matter how ahead of schedule they tell you someone is. McGahee is a great example of this, but not the only one. I challange anyone to tell me one player that has returned to effective strength in any sport, following a major ACL tear, in less than one year. Google acl tear recovery time and you will get page after page of articles that say it's 6-9 months. McGahee had a freak injury that involved tearing his ACL, PCL, and MCL. Not even close... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Not really up on the technicalities of it. OK, PUP list then, I stand corrected Maybe you should get "up on the technicalities" before proposing an idea then. He might very well be put on the PUP list, but how does that help your case? Have an extra roster spot for the first six weeks? This whole conversation is stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 Maybe you should get "up on the technicalities" before proposing an idea then. He might very well be put on the PUP list, but how does that help your case? Have an extra roster spot for the first six weeks? This whole conversation is stupid... We can then keep Roscoe on the roster for at least 6 weeks; likely another injury will pop up. We can actually keep our good players that way. Sorry I did not study the rule book for hours on end. eff you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 Google acl tear recovery time and you will get page after page of articles that say it's 6-9 months. McGahee had a freak injury that involved tearing his ACL, PCL, and MCL. Not even close... Again, name me one instance in which an athlete performed again within one year of an ACL tear. Outside Tiger (and that is golf, does not count) it never happens. All googling the subject aside, proof is in the pudding; it takes a year to get back. Maybe for typical person who just needs to walk or climb some stairs, 6-9 months. Athlete in NFL, 1-2 years. It is not clear to me, why that long standing fact, is not clear to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Again, name me one instance in which an athlete performed again within one year of an ACL tear. Outside Tiger (and that is golf, does not count) it never happens. All googling the subject aside, proof is in the pudding; it takes a year to get back. Maybe for typical person who just needs to walk or climb some stairs, 6-9 months. Athlete in NFL, 1-2 years. It is not clear to me, why that long standing fact, is not clear to you. And what do you say to the fact that they plan to have him play in the preseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 And what do you say to the fact that they plan to have him play in the preseason? That it is a flawed plan and you are a sucker to believe that James Hardy will be the guy, to buck the trend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Again, name me one instance in which an athlete performed again within one year of an ACL tear. Outside Tiger (and that is golf, does not count) it never happens. All googling the subject aside, proof is in the pudding; it takes a year to get back. Maybe for typical person who just needs to walk or climb some stairs, 6-9 months. Athlete in NFL, 1-2 years. It is not clear to me, why that long standing fact, is not clear to you. http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/200...ery_from_a.html http://www.athleticadvisor.com/Injuries/LE...e/acl_tears.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Again, name me one instance in which an athlete performed again within one year of an ACL tear. Outside Tiger (and that is golf, does not count) it never happens. All googling the subject aside, proof is in the pudding; it takes a year to get back. Maybe for typical person who just needs to walk or climb some stairs, 6-9 months. Athlete in NFL, 1-2 years. It is not clear to me, why that long standing fact, is not clear to you. Wow, this is such an intelligent reply, guess you just figure your word and opinion is gold and everyone else is wrong..... so for a lack of football knowledge, how long should you sit out from posting? a year? 7 years? Forever? hmmmm I know what I would pick for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/200...ery_from_a.html Thanks for illustrating my point. It HAS been a year for Tom Brady, and, he is still not back on the field at Pats OTAs. And not at 100% from all reports. IT TAKES A YEAR, MIN!!! Live with it; Hardy will not see the field meaningfully if at all, until November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Wow, this is such an intelligent reply, guess you just figure your word and opinion is gold and everyone else is wrong..... so for a lack of football knowledge, how long should you sit out from posting? a year? 7 years? Forever? hmmmm I know what I would pick for you Time for another of these, I suppose.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Thanks for illustrating my point. It HAS been a year for Tom Brady, and, he is still not back on the field at Pats OTAs. And not at 100% from all reports. IT TAKES A YEAR, MIN!!! Live with it; Hardy will not see the field meaningfully if at all, until November. Try reading a little closer: Brady's injury conjures up images of the knee damage suffered by another NFL quarterback, Carson Palmer cq of the Cincinnati Bengals. That story had a happy ending. Palmer tore his ACL and MCL on Jan. 8, 2006, during a playoff game. He underwent surgery two days later and was back in uniform to start the season opener exactly nine months later. Philadelphia Eagles Quarterback Donovan McNabb tore his ACL in November 2006 and was able to return to action in a preseason game in August 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 You do realize that when you put a player on IR he can't practice with the team unless it's Belicheat* and the NE* Cheatriettes*, right?? fixed link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 Try reading a little closer: whatever. Lets check in November, I think you will see, Hardy has not been around yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 whatever. Lets check in November, I think you will see, Hardy has not been around yet. "whatever": the great fall-back counterpoint by the beaten and ignorant. OK zaz we will check back in November as long as you agree to crawl back under your rock until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Hardy has not been around yet. Around what? He's been catching balls at the OTAs this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 This is probably what the Bills will do with Hardy (sorry information purists): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_Unable_to_Perform A possibility but I'm not sure I like it so much. ACL injuries ALWAYS TAKE A YEAR, no matter how ahead of schedule they tell you someone is. McGahee is a great example of this, but not the only one. I challange anyone to tell me one player that has returned to effective strength in any sport, following a major ACL tear, in less than one year. ACLs just take a year, sorry, simple fact. I think Lori's articles refute that "simple fact". I believe a player doesn't come back to where they were before the injury until two years but they can certainly play way before then. Playing at 90% of capability is much better than not playing at all. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 "whatever": the great fall-back counterpoint by the beaten and ignorant. OK zaz we will check back in November as long as you agree to crawl back under your rock until then. November, if then. 2010, he can be back for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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