busterramsey Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 OK, How can a Bills fan be happy with what we see, our team is a train wreck! 1) "O" line is a disaster.. Our center was never an NFL starter, our projected guards are both rookies.. One tackle was a guard last year and the other tackle is OK at best 2) Our #1 pick was projected as a late first rounder.. He played 1 year of college and has a skillset of Chris Ellis. 3) Our second round pick was a CB to be converted into a safety.. 4) Our rookie TE is a 4th rnd pick.. If he was a second rnd pick he would have been drafted in rnd 2 or maybe 3rd.. Hard to believe he'll make a difference. Other factors'; we lose an all-pro T, we have no decent left lb, we have an unproven QB, oh yes, the Bills tiks will sell and sell and we'll miss the playoffs AGAIN.. another prediction after an 0-3 start, jauron will say to be "patient" because the line is unfamiliar with each other and Trent isn't used to T.O... We finish 3-13, "changes" are made, we sell out AGAIN etc. etc. etc. I hope I'm wrong, but the above makes a lot of sense to me IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 according to IP this is afcfan1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busterramsey Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 If you think the O-line is a disaster then you know nothing about football. Dockery was a scrub, Preston was a scrub. Peters is overrated. The line was actually better with him out of the lineup. All positions were filled with people that will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busterramsey Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 My first post in months, have no idea who is afcfan is,... The truth hurts I know and I've been a fan for years. it's so sad how we settle for mediocrity.. Before the Kelly yrs, 25,000 fans showed up when we sucked now we sell out.. Optimism is great but not if its unrealistic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busterramsey Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 I agree that Dockery sucked as well as Preston, but why would you think we're better?? Is it our history of draft hits?? We're going to have a whole new line with 2 rookies playing out of position and that's good?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Funny, I actually just got done speaking with a friend that is a scout for a NFL team. He partially did agree with you about Maybin. He said he is young and will probably take a year to develope into a very good player. As far as Wood and Levitre go, he could not have given the Bills better praise. He thinks Levitre will be a very good gaurd. And Woods will probably be the best player the Bills took in this draft. He stated Byrd will make an immediate impact this year. He has good ball skills, but is just a little slow. Nelson has all the tools to be great. The reason he lasted till the fourth was because he sometimes lost focus. He can make all the catches, but did not do it consitently in college. You can spin this offseason either way. Some of the optimists with hope for a better year this year. While the pessimists will watch and think it is same ole same. Just depends on who you are and what way you want to go thru life. Me i will go with renewed optimism, its more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afcfan1 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 according to IP this is afcfan1 100% not true. I do agree with most of what he said, but I would have added that this team needs to start fast becaus of the TO factor. If the Bills start to lose a couple games in a row he will be in full TO mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Other factors'; we lose an all-pro T, we have no decent left lb , we have an unproven QB, oh yes, the Bills tiks will sell and sell and we'll miss the playoffs AGAIN.. another prediction after an 0-3 start, jauron will say to be "patient" because the line is unfamiliar with each other and Trent isn't used to T.O... We finish 3-13, "changes" are made, we sell out AGAIN etc. etc. etc. I hope I'm wrong, but the above makes a lot of sense to me IMO. What's a L LB?? you talkin about a Will?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 OK, How can a Bills fan be happy with what we see, our team is a train wreck!1) "O" line is a disaster.. Our center was never an NFL starter, our projected guards are both rookies.. One tackle was a guard last year and the other tackle is OK at best 2) Our #1 pick was projected as a late first rounder.. He played 1 year of college and has a skillset of Chris Ellis. 3) Our second round pick was a CB to be converted into a safety.. 4) Our rookie TE is a 4th rnd pick.. If he was a second rnd pick he would have been drafted in rnd 2 or maybe 3rd.. Hard to believe he'll make a difference. Other factors'; we lose an all-pro T, we have no decent left lb, we have an unproven QB, oh yes, the Bills tiks will sell and sell and we'll miss the playoffs AGAIN.. another prediction after an 0-3 start, jauron will say to be "patient" because the line is unfamiliar with each other and Trent isn't used to T.O... We finish 3-13, "changes" are made, we sell out AGAIN etc. etc. etc. I hope I'm wrong, but the above makes a lot of sense to me IMO. Oh man. I guess we're gonna suck this year. You better not waste your time on the board until at least next year, when we can hopefully have a better offseason and draft. See you in a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 They may not be the same people but they have the same brains! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ax4782 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 OK, How can a Bills fan be happy with what we see, our team is a train wreck!1) "O" line is a disaster.. Our center was never an NFL starter, our projected guards are both rookies.. One tackle was a guard last year and the other tackle is OK at best 2) Our #1 pick was projected as a late first rounder.. He played 1 year of college and has a skillset of Chris Ellis. 3) Our second round pick was a CB to be converted into a safety.. 4) Our rookie TE is a 4th rnd pick.. If he was a second rnd pick he would have been drafted in rnd 2 or maybe 3rd.. Hard to believe he'll make a difference. Other factors'; we lose an all-pro T, we have no decent left lb, we have an unproven QB, oh yes, the Bills tiks will sell and sell and we'll miss the playoffs AGAIN.. another prediction after an 0-3 start, jauron will say to be "patient" because the line is unfamiliar with each other and Trent isn't used to T.O... We finish 3-13, "changes" are made, we sell out AGAIN etc. etc. etc. I hope I'm wrong, but the above makes a lot of sense to me IMO. Why do all of "the sky is falling" people seem to come out on the same day? Here, yet again are the facts that show you are extremely pessimistic if not completely wrong in everything you have said in this post. First, would you PLEASE ACTUALLY CHECK A PLAYER'S STATS BEFORE YOU POST!!!! Hangartner has started 27 of the 54 games he has played, both at Center and at Guard for an exceptionally good interior line in Carolina. Here's the stats from NFL.com. http://www.nfl.com/players/geoffhangartner...le?id=HAN148149 Brad Butler is much better suited to playing the RT position. He was a three year starter at RT for UVa in college and has played some at that position for the Bills. If you think that teams don't play OL at guard and move them to tackle, then please see Michael Ogden and Jason Smith, this years #2 overall pick who will be playing GUARD this year for the STL Rams so that he gets a better feel for the NFL game before moving to LT. Langston Walker looked above average, though not great at LT last year spelling an out of shape Peters. Dockery was a revolving door and the combo of Fowler/Preston was TERRIBLE up the middle last year. These two rookies that are coming in are bigger, faster and smarter than either of those two guys. What more do you want. This crap about the OL getting suddenly worse is just chicken little BS. As for Maybin, I don't know what websites you've been trolling on lately, but Maybin was not predicted as a late 1st rounder by anyone with any sort of legitimacy. Maybin was consistently cited by Mayock and Kiper as the best pass rusher in the draft, who had the highest upside, even taking into account his slightly lower floor. He's got all of the tools to become a great DE. Why don't we wait and see how they actually look on the field this year before passing judgment. As to your third point, WTF? I don't even understand how this is a complaint. His speed, measureables, and skill set translate well to being a FS. How is this a problem? And since we didn't get to see Chris Ellis much on the field last year, how the do you know he won't be a solid player for us? Were you suddenly hired on as the talent evaluator at OBD? If so, they should seriously think about going another direction. Lastly, again, WTF? He was the third best rated TE in the draft and the concensus of people much smarter than you (aka Mayock, Kiper, McShay) all were in disbelief on draft day that he fell as far as he did. Buffalo was unbelievably lucky to get him. He has great hands, as you would know if you took the time to watch any of his film, which you clearly didn't. He's also been working to become a better blocker. Just because we didn't take Pettigrew doesn't mean we didn't draft a good TE. You are seriously the ONLY person who seems to think Nelson wasn't the steal of the draft. All in all, you made O points, and backed them up with nothing but your chicken little fears, suppositions and beliefs. Before you post again, try to actually have facts. I don't mind having discussions and arguments, but at least have something intelligent to say before you go running your mouth off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Ha ha. i like your fire AXE. Some people dont get or wont get it. The glass is always half empty to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GOBILLS78 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 I agree that Dockery sucked as well as Preston, but why would you think we're better?? Is it our history of draft hits?? We're going to have a whole new line with 2 rookies playing out of position and that's good?? Your own post on Jan. 5: Kent Hull and Jim Richer were converted.. It means nothing on the OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afcfan1 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Why do all of "the sky is falling" people seem to come out on the same day? Here, yet again are the facts that show you are extremely pessimistic if not completely wrong in everything you have said in this post. First, would you PLEASE ACTUALLY CHECK A PLAYER'S STATS BEFORE YOU POST!!!! Hangartner has started 27 of the 54 games he has played, both at Center and at Guard for an exceptionally good interior line in Carolina. Here's the stats from NFL.com. http://www.nfl.com/players/geoffhangartner...le?id=HAN148149 Brad Butler is much better suited to playing the RT position. He was a three year starter at RT for UVa in college and has played some at that position for the Bills. If you think that teams don't play OL at guard and move them to tackle, then please see Michael Ogden and Jason Smith, this years #2 overall pick who will be playing GUARD this year for the STL Rams so that he gets a better feel for the NFL game before moving to LT. Langston Walker looked above average, though not great at LT last year spelling an out of shape Peters. Dockery was a revolving door and the combo of Fowler/Preston was TERRIBLE up the middle last year. These two rookies that are coming in are bigger, faster and smarter than either of those two guys. What more do you want. This crap about the OL getting suddenly worse is just chicken little BS. As for Maybin, I don't know what websites you've been trolling on lately, but Maybin was not predicted as a late 1st rounder by anyone with any sort of legitimacy. Maybin was consistently cited by Mayock and Kiper as the best pass rusher in the draft, who had the highest upside, even taking into account his slightly lower floor. He's got all of the tools to become a great DE. Why don't we wait and see how they actually look on the field this year before passing judgment. As to your third point, WTF? I don't even understand how this is a complaint. His speed, measureables, and skill set translate well to being a FS. How is this a problem? And since we didn't get to see Chris Ellis much on the field last year, how the do you know he won't be a solid player for us? Were you suddenly hired on as the talent evaluator at OBD? If so, they should seriously think about going another direction. Lastly, again, WTF? He was the third best rated TE in the draft and the concensus of people much smarter than you (aka Mayock, Kiper, McShay) all were in disbelief on draft day that he fell as far as he did. Buffalo was unbelievably lucky to get him. He has great hands, as you would know if you took the time to watch any of his film, which you clearly didn't. He's also been working to become a better blocker. Just because we didn't take Pettigrew doesn't mean we didn't draft a good TE. You are seriously the ONLY person who seems to think Nelson wasn't the steal of the draft. All in all, you made O points, and backed them up with nothing but your chicken little fears, suppositions and beliefs. Before you post again, try to actually have facts. I don't mind having discussions and arguments, but at least have something intelligent to say before you go running your mouth off. You all continue to use partial bits of info to make your argument. Ys Mayock, Kiper and McShay thought he was a good pass rusher, but they all thought he was best suited for OLB in a 3-4, not 4-3 DE due to his lack of bulk. As for the "consensus of people much smarter than you" (Kiper, Mayock on McShay); Due to the fact he fell to the 4th round, the consensus of people much smarter than you (AKA NFL GMs and coaches), he was a 4th round talent and the 121st pick in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 You all continue to use partial bits of info to make your argument. Ys Mayock, Kiper and McShay thought he was a good pass rusher, but they all thought he was best suited for OLB in a 3-4, not 4-3 DE due to his lack of bulk. As for the "consensus of people much smarter than you" (Kiper, Mayock on McShay); Due to the fact he fell to the 4th round, the consensus of people much smarter than you (AKA NFL GMs and coaches), he was a 4th round talent and the 121st pick in the draft. So because some people think he's best suited as a 3-4 OLB, that means he's going to suck as a 4-3 DE? Wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ax4782 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 You all continue to use partial bits of info to make your argument. Ys Mayock, Kiper and McShay thought he was a good pass rusher, but they all thought he was best suited for OLB in a 3-4, not 4-3 DE due to his lack of bulk. As for the "consensus of people much smarter than you" (Kiper, Mayock on McShay); Due to the fact he fell to the 4th round, the consensus of people much smarter than you (AKA NFL GMs and coaches), he was a 4th round talent and the 121st pick in the draft. Actually, they said he could play in either scheme. Pay attention. They thought that at the weight he played at PSU he might be better as a Rush LB, but that at his current weight of 250, if he could maintain his speed, he could be very successful as a DE. As for Nelson, the fact that he fell means those teams didn't have a need for a TE at their pick. That doesn't mean he wasn't the steal of the draft. I guess all those coaches and GMs were wrong about Brady too huh? Terrell Davis? Just because you were picked later in the draft doesn't mean you weren't talented enough to have been drafted higher or that the measureables weren't there. It means teams didn't have a need at that position to fill at that time. He was considered the third best TE prospect in the draft by almost every analyst, and the second best in terms of being an overall TE. That is he is a great receiver and has solid skill blocking but needs some work in that area. You are literally the only person I have seen who has not thought he was a steal in the fourth round. That means that you are either smarter than every draftnik at ESPN and NFL Network, or you know absolutely nothing about football, particularly the TE position. Based on your posts on this board, I'm going with the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 So because some people think he's best suited as a 3-4 OLB, that means he's going to suck as a 4-3 DE? Wow... It doesn't matter, his argument is moot. McShay said on SportsCenter on Monday he likes Maybin better as a DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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