Why I will vote or John McCain

[The Big Cat]

Some parts are really nice, but if we have to nuke, we have to nuke it! Let's sew panic first by giving everyone 2 hours to get out. I'd love to see the terror stricken people fleeing! The fire works would be cool too--observed from a safe distance of coure

 

Cut to greaseball in a valure (spelling?) jump suit:

 

GREASEBALL: But what are we going to do with all dese 'fridges!?

 

(fade-in Theme from Indiana Jones)

 

Greaseball sees dollar signs.

[scribo]

Okay, so would you be completely closed to entertaining a journalistic account of how he WAS dishonorbale? In EVERY facete of his military career?

 

Or are you completely closed minded to even the mere mention of it?

 

If you're willing to look at the life and times of John McCain through different lenses:

 

Link You'll most likely dismiss immediately as a "biased" "liberal" source, but most of the excerpts and quotes are taken from other people closed to him during his career and from his own book.

 

Just make the effort, that's all I ask.

First, it is very important that you stop calling that article you linked to journalism. I happen to be a journalist and take the term seriously. There is no balance to that that article. McCain is not given a chance to respond to the 10 pages of attacks. There are several accusations in there unattributed to anyone.

 

The author is well know for his unbalanced attacks on the right. He is a blogger on the Huffington Post!

 

Yes, yes, yes, I am always willing to look at anything critically and from all angles. But this is just propaganda produced for anti-McCain people to quote.

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

Is there an echo in here, echo in here, echo in here?

 

hehe, sorry, I read that after I posted my reply to Scribo

[drnykterstein]

So you want McCain, so he can send more people into war to risk their lives?

[scribo]

So you want McCain, so he can send more people into war to risk their lives?

Don't worry; he isn't sending you. He would only be sending those who volunteered to serve and risk their lives.

[scribo]

hehe, sorry, I read that after I posted my reply to Scribo

Which is why post #42 is also in response to your post.

[The Big Cat]

First, it is very important that you stop calling that article you linked to journalism. I happen to be a journalist and take the term seriously. There is no balance to that that article. McCain is not given a chance to respond to the 10 pages of attacks. There are several accusations in there unattributed to anyone.

 

The author is well know for his unbalanced attacks on the right. He is a blogger on the Huffington Post!

 

Yes, yes, yes, I am always willing to look at anything critically and from all angles. But this is just propaganda produced for anti-McCain people to quote.

 

So I was right to assume you'd dismiss it.

 

What parts are false based on propaganda? His documented disciplinary record at USNA? His propensity to follow think with his d*ck and go on excessive binges and use the Navy as his own personal travel agent? The fact that he divorced his wife and left his three kids when he got back? The fact that he openly cheated on said wife?

 

You speak of "honor" but, IMO, honor transcends military service. And one cannot be an honorable soldier without first being an honorable man.

 

Parts of my link which you call "propaganda" were taken directly from HIS OWN BOOK and, IMO paint a picture of a [sometimes] dishonorable man.

[bills_fan_in_raleigh]

First, it is very important that you stop calling that article you linked to journalism. I happen to be a journalist and take the term seriously. There is no balance to that that article. McCain is not given a chance to respond to the 10 pages of attacks. There are several accusations in there unattributed to anyone.

 

The author is well know for his unbalanced attacks on the right. He is a blogger on the Huffington Post!

 

Yes, yes, yes, I am always willing to look at anything critically and from all angles. But this is just propaganda produced for anti-McCain people to quote.

what you wrote is propaganda as well almost verbatim of what Limbaugh is ranting these days

[molson_golden2002]

what you wrote is propaganda as well almost verbatim of what Limbaugh is ranting these days

Yes, but that's ok. You see, he is a real American, not a journalist

[erynthered]

what you wrote is propaganda as well almost verbatim of what Limbaugh is ranting these days

 

 

You sure seem to know alot about the next owner of the Buffalo Bills, the one and only Oxycontin boy.

[drnykterstein]

Don't worry; he isn't sending you. He would only be sending those who volunteered to serve and risk their lives.

 

If it was anywhere close to a worthy cause that I thought would actually defend this country, I would be there in a heartbeat.

 

But yeah this whole Iraq crap is all about oil and money, and certainly not worth my life.

[bills_fan_in_raleigh]

Yes, but that's ok. You see, he is a real American, not a journalist

Ah and real Americans vote for McCain the rest of use pinko, liberal,dope smoking, baby killing,communist loving, terrorists unamericans vote for Obama. Oh well people just love these labels. I better tear up my republican party registration

[scribo]

So I was right to assume you'd dismiss it.

 

What parts are false based on propaganda? His documented disciplinary record at USNA? His propensity to follow think with his d*ck and go on excessive binges and use the Navy as his own personal travel agent? The fact that he divorced his wife and left his three kids when he got back? The fact that he openly cheated on said wife?

 

You speak of "honor" but, IMO, honor transcends military service. And one cannot be an honorable soldier without first being an honorable man.

 

Parts of my link which you call "propaganda" were taken directly from HIS OWN BOOK and, IMO paint a picture of a [sometimes] dishonorable man.

I dismissed it because it is not journalism. It is a blatant attack by a person who has long attacked the right. He went out of his way to dig up as much dirt as possible, passing much of which is unsubstantiated claims by people who are on the record of saying they despise McCain. Way too much single sourcing or zero sourcing in that article. And again, McCain is not given a chance to tell his side of any of it.

 

As for saying there are excerpts from his book in there. True, but I am sure I could take excerpts from your posts on this board and paint you in a very ugly light, as well.

 

He doesn't hide his record at the academy.

 

I agree cheating on his wife is not excusable and should be considered. Just as it should be when considering who Bill Clinton is. But I also know John McCain and his ex-wife had an amicable split and are still friends.

[The Big Cat]

Ah and real Americans vote for McCain the rest of use pinko, liberal,dope smoking, baby killing,communist loving, terrorists unamericans vote for Obama. Oh well people just love these labels. I better tear up my republican party registration

 

(whispering) Be sure not to tell them that they've been living in a socialist country for the last 70 years. (/whispering)

[bills_fan_in_raleigh]

You sure seem to know alot about the next owner of the Buffalo Bills, the one and only Oxycontin boy.

yeah I listen to his dribble every day to make sure my brain is still sane but I also do alot of Oxycotin as well. But if that fat tard bastard ends up buying the bills I quit being a bills fan

[Kelly the Dog]

First, it is very important that you stop calling that article you linked to journalism. I happen to be a journalist and take the term seriously. There is no balance to that that article. McCain is not given a chance to respond to the 10 pages of attacks. There are several accusations in there unattributed to anyone.

 

The author is well know for his unbalanced attacks on the right. He is a blogger on the Huffington Post!

 

Yes, yes, yes, I am always willing to look at anything critically and from all angles. But this is just propaganda produced for anti-McCain people to quote.

Columnists are not journalists? Editors at major national publications that have a strong partisan bent like, say, National Review or Mother Jones or Rolling Stone, are not journalists?

 

Granted, there is a huge difference between reporters (which is supposed to be balanced and factual) and columnists (which are not), but they are surely both journalists.

 

I am not making any judgment on the validity of the article, I didn't read it. And I don't necessarily like the politics of magazines like Rolling Stone and Mother Jones. But you cannot, as a journalist, just deny that the writers and especially the editors for those publications are not journalists because you're diametrically opposed to their politics. That's not a very strong argument for your case.

 

Granted, random posters on blogs are not "journalists". It's arguable as to whether just being a contributor to a major blog makes you a journalist. Myself, I am somewhat in between on that, there are good points either way. But Tim Dickinson is inarguably a journalist, just from his professional bio, and I have never read a word he has written.

[erynthered]

yeah I listen to his dribble every day to make sure my brain is still sane but I also do alot of Oxycotin as well.

 

 

[scribo]

what you wrote is propaganda as well almost verbatim of what Limbaugh is ranting these days

I am not attempting to pass my writing as journalism. I am not pretending to be an unbiased reporter. I am clearly saying that these are my views and my feelings. Additionally, everything I wrote is either fact or directly presented as my opinion.

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

First, it is very important that you stop calling that article you linked to journalism. I happen to be a journalist and take the term seriously. There is no balance to that that article. McCain is not given a chance to respond to the 10 pages of attacks. There are several accusations in there unattributed to anyone.

 

The author is well know for his unbalanced attacks on the right. He is a blogger on the Huffington Post!

 

Yes, yes, yes, I am always willing to look at anything critically and from all angles. But this is just propaganda produced for anti-McCain people to quote.

and, of course, your analysis of the better candidate is balanced, right?

 

The writer's source was AF Lt Colonel John Dramesi, a former POW who was tortured in Vietnam with McCain, and Chief War Planner for Europe as well as SAC Wing Commander. But it's just propaganda?

[The Big Cat]

I dismissed it because it is not journalism. It is a blatant attack by a person who has long attacked the right. He went out of his way to dig up as much dirt as possible, passing much of which is unsubstantiated claims by people who are on the record of saying they despise McCain. Way too much single sourcing or zero sourcing in that article. And again, McCain is not given a chance to tell his side of any of it. Well, you do admit below that McCain weighs in in the sense that they USE HIS OWN WORDS.

As for saying there are excerpts from his book in there. True, but I am sure I could take excerpts from your posts on this board and paint you in a very ugly light, as well.- Good thing I'm not running for president then. But if you'd like, please, I'd love to see what a Big Cat smear campaign would look like!

 

He doesn't hide his record at the academy. - doesn't make it any less deplorable/dishonorable. Why won't you admit that you, me, and everyone else on this board would have been BOOTED if we would have pulled the crap that McCain did when he was there? I know, personally, a guy who WAS booted from USNA- 8 days before his commission! The man's life was ruined. Had McCain been held to the same standard, he wouldn't even SNIFF a presidential bid, and he certainly wouldn't have the opportunity to run on the HERO platform!

 

I agree cheating on his wife is not excusable and should be considered. Just as it should be when considering who Bill Clinton is. But I also know John McCain and his ex-wife had an amicable split and are still friends. No need to mention Bill Clinton here, since he's not running for President. I believe I alluded to this sort of debate steering some four or five posts prior. But the point is, what he did to his wife (I'm talking infidelity here, not just the divorce) would qualify him as a bona fide a-hole, one whose behavior you'd be hard pressed to justify. I dunno, to me, once an a-hole, always an a-hole.