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[molson_golden2002]

ALBUQUERQUE - The chairwoman of an Otero County Republican women's group on Tuesday defended a letter to the editor in which she wrote, ''I believe Muslims are our enemies.''

Marcia Stirman, a 56-year-old interior decorator, also called Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama ''a Muslim socialist.''

A national Islamic group expressed outrage over Stirman's letter and called on state and national Republican Party officials to repudiate the publication of ''anti-Muslim comments.''

''Because these hate-filled remarks were made by a prominent Republican, it is incumbent on state and national GOP officials to repudiate her divisive and intolerant views,'' said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

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I hope historians of the Iraq War take stuff like this into account when trying to understand why we invaded. It wasn't about a "freedom agenda," it was about killing Muslims to a lot of the base. And no, I don't think Bush thought that, but a lot of his supporters sure did.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10783845

 

I hope historians of the Iraq War take stuff like this into account when trying to understand why we invaded. It wasn't about a "freedom agenda," it was about killing Muslims to a lot of the base. And no, I don't think Bush thought that, but a lot of his supporters sure did.

 

[Boomer860]

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10783845

 

I hope historians of the Iraq War take stuff like this into account when trying to understand why we invaded. It wasn't about a "freedom agenda," it was about killing Muslims to a lot of the base. And no, I don't think Bush thought that, but a lot of his supporters sure did.

You are right . So whats wrong wiht wanting to kill radical Muslims,not all Muslims, that want to kill you Besides the media likes death and destruction its good for business.

[RkFast]

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10783845

 

I hope historians of the Iraq War take stuff like this into account when trying to understand why we invaded. It wasn't about a "freedom agenda," it was about killing Muslims to a lot of the base. And no, I don't think Bush thought that, but a lot of his supporters sure did.

 

Do you have ANY idea into how much work and effort goes into making sure civilian, innocent Iraqis are NOT harmed during military operations?

 

And read up on CAIR, who they are and who funds them before using THAT group as a source, please.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10783845

 

I hope historians of the Iraq War take stuff like this into account when trying to understand why we invaded. It wasn't about a "freedom agenda," it was about killing Muslims to a lot of the base. And no, I don't think Bush thought that, but a lot of his supporters sure did.

 

 

Some people in this country just drive me insane. Denouncing Barack for being a Muslim is a good way to simultaneously show that you are both ignorant and intolerant. It proves you know nothing about the candidate and that you think a person being Muslim is a bad thing, as if it would be wrong to vote a person of Muslim or Arab descent to be president.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

as if it would be wrong to vote a person of Muslim or Arab descent to be president.

 

I think it would be. Not too many Arabs/Muslims can separate religion from civics, or so it seems.

 

Note: I don't think Obama's a Muslim. I think he's horribly misguided about talking to Islamic extremists, but not a Muslim.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

You are right . So whats wrong wiht wanting to kill radical Muslims,not all Muslims, that want to kill you Besides the media likes death and destruction its good for business.

 

So we should kill all radical Muslims? How about radical Christians who parade around saying we should nuke the entire Middle East and rid the world of the heathen scum? Should we find and kill all of them too?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

So we should kill all radical Muslims? How about radical Christians who parade around saying we should nuke the entire Middle East and rid the world of the heathen scum? Should we find and kill all of them too?

 

Apples and oranges. With a few exceptions, there aren't too many radical Christians willing to blow themselves up.

 

There's entire communities of young Muslims that would love to kill innocents in the name of Allah.

[Boomer860]

 

Some people in this country just drive me insane. Denouncing Barack for being a Muslim is a good way to simultaneously show that you are both ignorant and intolerant. It proves you know nothing about the candidate and that you think a person being Muslim is a bad thing, as if it would be wrong to vote a person of Muslim or Arab descent to be president.

Barack is a fraud from the back rooms of Chicago being a Muslim or not has nothing to do with it.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I think it would be. Not too many Arabs/Muslims can separate religion from civics, or so it seems.

 

That may be true in the Muslim world, but I'm sure it would be a different case if you're dealing with an American born person of Muslim descent. Your behavior is determined by the culture you grew up with, not the ethnicity you are. Muslims do not have a genetic quality which makes them more religiously zealous.

[molson_golden2002]

Do you have ANY idea into how much work and effort goes into making sure civilian, innocent Iraqis are NOT harmed during military operations?

 

And read up on CAIR, who they are and who funds them before using THAT group as a source, please.

I'm sure the military does a great job helping Iraqis, that wasn't my point. Its about why some people wanted us to invade.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

That may be true in the Muslim world, but I'm sure it would be a different case if you're dealing with an American born person of Muslim descent. Your behavior is determined by the culture you grew up with, not the ethnicity you are. Muslims do not have a genetic quality which makes them more religiously zealous.

 

Exactly. But if you think that the individuals of Arab/Muslim descent who live in Detroit or Lackawanna aren't radicalized, you're sadly mistaken.

[Boomer860]

So we should kill all radical Muslims? How about radical Christians who parade around saying we should nuke the entire Middle East and rid the world of the heathen scum? Should we find and kill all of them too?

Then what would you do to people that want to kill you.Maybe radical Christians parade around but the dont tie bombs to themselves women and childred Where are these radical Christians you speak of and what have they done.

Like I say what would you do with someone that wants to kill you . Sounds to me like you are a radical Muslim sympathizer

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Exactly. But if you think that the individuals of Arab/Muslim descent who live in Detroit or Lackawanna aren't radicalized, you're sadly mistaken.

 

Those are two isolated and extreme cases. Of course I wouldn't want THOSE people to be President. But I also wouldn't want a Klan or Black Panthers member to be President. There are extreme examples in every race.

 

My point was that it's wrong for this person the OP brought up to use the word "Muslim" as if it's some racial slur and that we should be afraid of them.

[molson_golden2002]

Apples and oranges. With a few exceptions, there aren't too many radical Christians willing to blow themselves up.

 

There's entire communities of young Muslims that would love to kill innocents in the name of Allah.

There's entire communities of christians that would love to kill innocents in the name of jesus

[The Big Cat]

I think it would be. Not too many Arabs/Muslims can separate religion from civics, or so it seems.

 

Note: I don't think Obama's a Muslim. I think he's horribly misguided about talking to Islamic extremists, but not a Muslim.

 

Uuuuuuh...MUSLIMS are the ones that have a problem separating religion from civics? Really? Not any of the "Christian" conservative politicans already in office?

[The Big Cat]

Then what would you do to people that want to kill you.Maybe radical Christians parade around but the dont tie bombs to themselves women and childred Where are these radical Christians you speak of and what have they done.

Like I say what would you do with someone that wants to kill you . Sounds to me like you are a radical Muslim sympathizer

 

Rent the documentary Jesus Camp. They certainly DO exist. In America!

[molson_golden2002]

Then what would you do to people that want to kill you.Maybe radical Christians parade around but the dont tie bombs to themselves women and childred Where are these radical Christians you speak of and what have they done.

Like I say what would you do with someone that wants to kill you . Sounds to me like you are a radical Muslim sympathizer

No, they call on the military to attack other countries.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Then what would you do to people that want to kill you.Maybe radical Christians parade around but the dont tie bombs to themselves women and childred Where are these radical Christians you speak of and what have they done.

Like I say what would you do with someone that wants to kill you . Sounds to me like you are a radical Muslim sympathizer

 

So you're one of those people huh? Joe McCarthy reincarnated...You take every statement that doesn't say "freedom ain't free" or "we have to protect ourselves and our families against the evil-doers" and you associate it with sympathizing with the enemy.

 

Those tactics worked in the 50's but I like to believe that maybe people are most rational these days. I'd like to see an America where folks don't use fear as a tactic to tear people down.

[erynthered]

There's entire communities of christians that would love to kill innocents in the name of jesus

 

 

BLASFUUUUUUMAY!! The "J" in Jesus should be capitalized, DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously though...

[Heels20X6]

Where are these radical Christians you speak of and what have they done.

 

 

Ever heard of the Crusades? Or maybe the wackjobs who blew up a building in OK because they thought the government was an affront to Jesus? But I guess you're just a radical Christian sympathizer?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

My point was that it's wrong for this person the OP brought up to use the word "Muslim" as if it's some racial slur and that we should be afraid of them.

 

We should be afraid of Muslims of middle eastern origin. We should fear the Arabs in Saudi Arabia and the Shia Persians in Iran. Why? They allow themselves to live in muslim theocracies that espouse the idea that westerners should be killed in the name of their religion, and seemingly don't raise their voices in disapproval.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Uuuuuuh...MUSLIMS are the ones that have a problem separating religion from civics? Really? Not any of the "Christian" conservative politicans already in office?

 

Your use of quotation marks is appropriate there. W is no more a Christian than Leon Trotsky was Jewish.

[1billsfan]

I was watching Fox News today and they had a reporter who has been reporting thoughout the streets of Iraq all week long. This is the kind of stuff you will not find in Obama kool-aid drinking NBC land. The reporter is going around in the streets talking to Iraqis and things there are amazingly normal. He was in a park today asking one of the Iraqis if he wanted the American's out and he laughed and said that he liked the Americans and hoped that they'd stay. He was using terms like "man" and "dude". Call me crazy, but when the going got tough didn't Obama and Harry Reid say that the war was lost and that we needed to send the troops home immediately? Seems to me that the Republicans were the ones who had the "Muslim" Iraqis backs. I'm a Democrat who's glad that we had guys like McCain who refused to wave the white flag over there. Picking out one stupid person with radical broad brush notions is just plain dumb. There's stupid people on both sides. But as far as I can tell we still have not been attacked since 911, and looks like we have won the war in Iraq. Please don't try to convince people here that the Republicans hate Muslims, they were the ones who still supported fighting for them when things were at their most bleak. BTW, I'm an American first and a Democrat second dude. McCain is the clear choice if we want to keep this country safe the next four years. I could care less if the Europeans hate us, screw them.

[The Big Cat]

We should be afraid of Muslims of middle eastern origin. We should fear the Arabs in Saudi Arabia and the Shia Persians in Iran. Why? They allow themselves to live in muslim theocracies that espouse the idea that westerners should be killed in the name of their religion, and seemingly don't raise their voices in disapproval.

 

This is a joke, right?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Ever heard of the Crusades?

 

Which happened in the 12th-14th centuries. Not TODAY.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

This is a joke, right?

 

Should it be? If the Iranians and Saudi Arabs REALLY were nice, open-minded, peace-loving people who were radically opposed to the ideas of Jihad and sharia, wouldn't they throw off their oppressors?

[finknottle]

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10783845

 

I hope historians of the Iraq War take stuff like this into account when trying to understand why we invaded. It wasn't about a "freedom agenda," it was about killing Muslims to a lot of the base. And no, I don't think Bush thought that, but a lot of his supporters sure did.

 

Yeah, Bush and Cheney and the gang don't decide on foreign policy themselves, they listen to their nutjob supporters. The decades-long cozying up between the Bush family and the Saudi's was a front to mask their true anti-muslim agenda.

 

Retard.

[Boomer860]

So you're one of those people huh? Joe McCarthy reincarnated...You take every statement that doesn't say "freedom ain't free" or "we have to protect ourselves and our families against the evil-doers" and you associate it with sympathizing with the enemy.

 

Those tactics worked in the 50's but I like to believe that maybe people are most rational these days. I'd like to see an America where folks don't use fear as a tactic to tear people down.

You live in a fantasy world it is a nice thought but doesnt exist. Typical ,you didnt answer the question . There are people in the world that want you dead . Take the rose colored galsses off and answer the question ,What would you do about people that want you dead?

[yall]

We should be afraid of Muslims of middle eastern origin. We should fear the Arabs in Saudi Arabia and the Shia Persians in Iran. Why? They allow themselves to live in muslim theocracies that espouse the idea that westerners should be killed in the name of their religion, and seemingly don't raise their voices in disapproval.

 

Jesus dude....

 

I have taken a fair amount of flak for my criticism of islam on this board, and I still say that as a religion it's a pretty poor one. But you are painting millions with a broad brush and are coming off like an extremist yourself.

 

Should we really be afraid of every muslim in Detroit and Lackawana? Really?

[The Big Cat]

Should it be? If the Iranians and Saudi Arabs REALLY were nice, open-minded, peace-loving people who were radically opposed to the ideas of Jihad and sharia, wouldn't they throw off their oppressors?

 

It doesn't exactly work that way in an non-democratic society. And also, they are nice, open-minded people. They're regular people like you and me! Not every Saudi or Iranian wants a Jihad, in fact I'd argue that very very very few of them do!!

 

If you're not joking you're frighteningly ignorant to think that entire countries are filled with hate driven radical militants. That's simply not the case. Please talk to anyone who's every travelled to these countries. Or people who have family there, or who have themselves emigrated from these places. They're not that backward hell-holes you make them out to be.

[bills_fan_in_raleigh]

I still say that as a religion it's a pretty poor one.

Can you explain why Islam is a poor religion?

[molson_golden2002]

Yeah, Bush and Cheney and the gang don't decide on foreign policy themselves, they listen to their nutjob supporters. The decades-long cozying up between the Bush family and the Saudi's was a front to mask their true anti-muslim agenda.

 

Retard.

Retard? For stating an obvious fact? Ok buddy, whatever

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Jesus dude....

 

I have taken a fair amount of flak for my criticism of islam on this board, and I still say that as a religion it's a pretty poor one. But you are painting millions with a broad brush and are coming off like an extremist yourself.

 

Should we really be afraid of every muslim in Detroit and Lackawana? Really?

 

I'm not advocating nuking anybody or rounding them up and sending them off to camps. What I *AM* saying is that we should keep a keen eye on them. If anyone thinks that those particular communities don't contain sizable populations fo people that support the idea of jihad against the west, that individual is deluding themselves.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

It doesn't exactly work that way in an non-democratic society. And also, they are nice, open-minded people. They're regular people like you and me! Not every Saudi or Iranian wants a Jihad, in fact I'd argue that very very very few of them do!!

 

If you're not joking you're frighteningly ignorant to think that entire countries are filled with hate driven radical militants. That's simply not the case. Please talk to anyone who's every travelled to these countries. Or people who have family there, or who have themselves emigrated from these places. They're not that backward hell-holes you make them out to be.

 

Have YOU been to the Middle East? I have.

 

And that was Kuwait, one of the more "moderate" of the Arab nations. It was still a backward place. Women in burkas, men flaunting their oil wealth. For the veneer of modernity, it's still at its heart a "traditional" muslim society.

[The Big Cat]

Have YOU been to the Middle East? I have.

 

And that was Kuwait, one of the more "moderate" of the Arab nations. It was still a backward place. Women in burkas, men flaunting their oil wealth. For the veneer of modernity, it's still at its heart a "traditional" muslim society.

 

 

Yeah? And "traditionally" the Muslim faith is one of peace- even more so than Christianity- so what's your point? They're Muslim. Okay, good for them. So was one of my college roommates.

 

EDIT: I typed "faith" where I meant to type "peace."

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Yeah? And "traditionally" the Muslim faith is one of peace- even more so than Christianity- so what's your point? They're Muslim. Okay, good for them. So was one of my college roommates.

 

EDIT: I typed "faith" where I meant to type "peace."

 

Right. So you had a Muslim room-mate. Kudos.

 

I'm sorry, but try and tell a 16-year old girl who's subjugated into an arranged marraige and then abused by her erstwhile husband while all the time being forced into wearing a burka for the rest of her life about how enlightened Islam is.

 

Edit: And, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't Islam imposed upon the world via military conquest?

[erynthered]

Jesus dude....

 

I have taken a fair amount of flak for my criticism of islam on this board, and I still say that as a religion it's a pretty poor one. But you are painting millions with a broad brush and are coming off like an extremist yourself.

 

Should we really be afraid of every muslim in Detroit and Lackawana? Really?

 

 

I remember reading once that, statistically speaking, that there are approximately

2 to 4 % the Muslims in the world would fall into the category of extremist. So that would mean millions of them. How dangerous they would be is any body's guess.

[The Big Cat]

Right. So you had a Muslim room-mate. Kudos.

 

I'm sorry, but try and tell a 16-year old girl who's subjugated into an arranged marraige and then abused by her erstwhile husband while all the time being forced into wearing a burka for the rest of her life about how enlightened Islam is.

 

Let's not lose focus here. This argument has nothing to do with Muslim Theocracy and Human Rights. You originally touted them a military threat to the US. These are separate issues and their treatment of women has NOTHING to do wtih their intention or their CAPABILITY to attack the US.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Let's not lose focus here. This argument has nothing to do with Muslim Theocracy and Human Rights. You originally touted them a military threat to the US. These are separate issues and their treatment of women has NOTHING to do wtih their intention or their CAPABILITY to attack the US.

 

That was in retort to your assertion that Islam is a religion of "peace." Domestic abuse in the name of God is not an indicator of peaceful intent.

 

That being said, the THREAT of which I speak is a cultural one. If we are accepting of their way of life, if we tacitly allow the growth of Islam from within our midst, we're effectively abandoning our western ideals of free thought, equal rights for women, blind justice and the like. It's the reactionary nature of Islam even in its "moderate" form that is a threat to our way of life. It's the raadicalism of the leaders of the religion that spurs muslims (even american-born ones) to violence against our way of life.