Rich in Ohio Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Article Looks like kerry has some new problems. Wow, I never thought that the October surprise would come from the Catholic Church. Its good to see the church stick to its guns. Bravo....can't have it both ways kerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 ArticleLooks like kerry has some new problems. Wow, I never thought that the October surprise would come from the Catholic Church. Its good to see the church stick to its guns. Bravo....can't have it both ways kerry. 75641[/snapback] Rich, The link doesn't work for me, which leads me to believe someone pulled a piece of crap fabricated story. But if true, that'd be a lot like Michael Jackson rebuking my mom for raising her child poorly. The Catholic Church leadership doesn't have much moral authority left. Most Catholics disagree with certain areas of church policy, but I don't see them being punished for their disagreements. If they were, there wouldn't be a Catholic Church left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Bastard Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Rich,The link doesn't work for me, which leads me to believe someone pulled a piece of crap fabricated story. 75681[/snapback] Link worked fine for me. I guess that ruins your little conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Rich,The link doesn't work for me, which leads me to believe someone pulled a piece of crap fabricated story. But if true, that'd be a lot like Michael Jackson rebuking my mom for raising her child poorly. The Catholic Church leadership doesn't have much moral authority left. Most Catholics disagree with certain areas of church policy, but I don't see them being punished for their disagreements. If they were, there wouldn't be a Catholic Church left. 75681[/snapback] I am a pretty devout Catholic and while there are some in the Catholic Church leadership who are lacking, overall it has some good standars and keep them in place. Every organization has bad apples in charge, look at the Army, but it doesn't make the organization bad (except for the Army). Now I will tell you if you are vocally supportive of abortion you will be excommunicated, but the Catholic Church in it's wisdom was trying to keep out of the politics. Now there has been a lot of folks wanting these "Pro-abortion" murderers excommunicated for a long time. It's about time the Church backs up their beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I am a pretty devout Catholic and while there are some in the Catholic Church leadership who are lacking, overall it has some good standars and keep them in place. Every organization has bad apples in charge, look at the Army, but it doesn't make the organization bad (except for the Army). Now I will tell you if you are vocally supportive of abortion you will be excommunicated, but the Catholic Church in it's wisdom was trying to keep out of the politics. Now there has been a lot of folks wanting these "Pro-abortion" murderers excommunicated for a long time. It's about time the Church backs up their beliefs. 75702[/snapback] Rich's link still doesn't work for me. But I just found an article on NYT. It's amounts to a canon lawyer not affliated w/ the Vatican blowing a lot of smoke. Was Bush castigated b/c he didn't "turn the other cheek" when we were attacked? As I said, if they excommunicate everyone who disagrees with them, they're pretty soon going to be preaching to empty churches and facing bankruptcy. Oh wait, some of them already are. I'm not a supporter of abortion, but I'm not about to tell other people they have to agree with me or else they're kicked out of my club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidey Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I am a pretty devout Catholic and while there are some in the Catholic Church leadership who are lacking, overall it has some good standars and keep them in place. Every organization has bad apples in charge, look at the Army, but it doesn't make the organization bad (except for the Army). Now I will tell you if you are vocally supportive of abortion you will be excommunicated, but the Catholic Church in it's wisdom was trying to keep out of the politics. Now there has been a lot of folks wanting these "Pro-abortion" murderers excommunicated for a long time. It's about time the Church backs up their beliefs. 75702[/snapback] I just love how pro lifers are all worried about an unborn child however fail to address the concerns of the already born. Its okay for them to kill whom they want and are always the first ones who were sending their daughters to Europe before abortion became a right in this country. If the right wing conservatives really believe that every life is specical than they should have been the first ones calling for end to capital punishment, voting to get rid of assault rifles ( yeah really need them to hunt deer), should be concerned about funding distribution of condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I just love how pro lifers are all worried about an unborn child however fail to address the concerns of the already born. Its okay for them to kill whom they want and are always the first ones who were sending their daughters to Europe before abortion became a right in this country. If the right wing conservatives really believe that every life is specical than they should have been the first ones calling for end to capital punishment, voting to get rid of assault rifles ( yeah really need them to hunt deer), should be concerned about funding distribution of condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies. 75729[/snapback] And you obviously don't have a clue. You have no idea what I do or don't do to help out. You have no idea if I send money to these places, volunteer my time to help children, etc.. BTW I do all of the above and a lot more, how about you? What do you do to make the world a better place, besides complain about people with morals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Rich's link still doesn't work for me. But I just found an article on NYT. It's amounts to a canon lawyer not affliated w/ the Vatican blowing a lot of smoke. Was Bush castigated b/c he didn't "turn the other cheek" when we were attacked? Bush is not Catholic. As I said, if they excommunicate everyone who disagrees with them, they're pretty soon going to be preaching to empty churches and facing bankruptcy. Oh wait, some of them already are. I'm not a supporter of abortion, but I'm not about to tell other people they have to agree with me or else they're kicked out of my club. The Catholic church does not excommunicate everyone who disagrees with them. Kerry is using his Catholicism the way he used Vietnam. If the Catholic church decides that they don't like a public figure using the religion as a foundation to pursue policies that they don't agree with, then I think they have every right to differentiate the religion from the candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Rich's link still doesn't work for me. But I just found an article on NYT. It's amounts to a canon lawyer not affliated w/ the Vatican blowing a lot of smoke. Was Bush castigated b/c he didn't "turn the other cheek" when we were attacked? As I said, if they excommunicate everyone who disagrees with them, they're pretty soon going to be preaching to empty churches and facing bankruptcy. Oh wait, some of them already are. I'm not a supporter of abortion, but I'm not about to tell other people they have to agree with me or else they're kicked out of my club. 75725[/snapback] Reread the Bible. Maybe you never have, but the Bible states there is a time to war. Have you ever heard of the Good Samaritan? It is in reference to helping those who can't help themselves. Of course you would rather have millions killed by Saddam, by putting him back in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Bastard Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I just love how pro lifers are all worried about an unborn child however fail to address the concerns of the already born. Its okay for them to kill whom they want and are always the first ones who were sending their daughters to Europe before abortion became a right in this country. If the right wing conservatives really believe that every life is specical than they should have been the first ones calling for end to capital punishment, voting to get rid of assault rifles ( yeah really need them to hunt deer), should be concerned about funding distribution of condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies. 75729[/snapback] Yup, pro-lifers want to kill "anyone they want." Another idiotic remark from the dopes on the left. Voting to get rid of assault rifles? You do realize that "assault rifles" are rarely used in the commission of crimes, right? Oh, wait. They are used on TV and in movies, so that must mean that it is reality. You guys amaze me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidey Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 And you obviously don't have a clue. You have no idea what I do or don't do to help out. You have no idea if I send money to these places, volunteer my time to help children, etc.. BTW I do all of the above and a lot more, how about you? What do you do to make the world a better place, besides complain about people with morals? 75731[/snapback] I wasnt questioning what you do. You made the comment ProAbortion Murderers. You try to lump anyone who is pro abortion as some how being a murderer. But if someone was was pro capital punishment killing I am sure you wouldnt call them a murderer would you. What I was challenging is the hypocracy of the pro lifers whom seem to only be for life in certain situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 BTW I do all of the above and a lot more, how about you? What do you do to make the world a better place, besides complain about people with morals? VABills - the liberals I know do little or nothing to make the world a better place besides the complaining you mentioned. It seems they don't understand the idea of individuals deciding how they want to make the world a better place in their own mold using their own money. They sure can tell you how to make it a better place using your money, though. Case in point -- Kerry has stated that he wants to improve relations with the world and bring more allies to the table. Looking at the school tragedy in Chechnya -- what better way for the people of America and the people of Russia to unite in the war on terror than to have an outpouring of charitable donations to the families affected? So how many libs donated to this cause? I got an e-mail last week from the organization overseeing this effort and they are grateful to have raised millions. During the WTC tragedy, we raised billions. And I will add that I feel much more confident my money is being used for the victims in Russia than I was about my contribution to the 9/11 fund. Looks like the libs must have pocketed their unwanted tax returns and are waiting instead for Kerry to win, raise taxes, and send government money on behalf of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Was Bush castigated b/c he didn't "turn the other cheek" when we were attacked? that is not the meaning of "turn the other cheek" btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Bush is not Catholic. The Catholic church does not excommunicate everyone who disagrees with them. Kerry is using his Catholicism the way he used Vietnam. If the Catholic church decides that they don't like a public figure using the religion as a foundation to pursue policies that they don't agree with, then I think they have every right to differentiate the religion from the candidate. 75733[/snapback] In what way is he "using" catholicism? Please explain just how it is that Kerry is using his religion as "a foundation to pursue policies" that the church opposes. This is simply naked politics disguised as religion. The catholic church is against the death penalty and war yet no one faces excommunication on those issues. As far as having the right to whatever, of course the church does, they can do any freaking thing they want. That is not the question. For catholics like myself the issue is the politically partisan application of church doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich in Ohio Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 I just love how pro lifers are all worried about an unborn child however fail to address the concerns of the already born. Its okay for them to kill whom they want and are always the first ones who were sending their daughters to Europe before abortion became a right in this country. If the right wing conservatives really believe that every life is specical than they should have been the first ones calling for end to capital punishment, voting to get rid of assault rifles ( yeah really need them to hunt deer), should be concerned about funding distribution of condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies. 75729[/snapback] You should really make sure that you have woken up before you post. This may be the wackiest statement I have seen all week. Have a cup of joe, and try again. maybe you should actually read your post before you hit "add reply" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich in Ohio Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 Bush is not Catholic. The Catholic church does not excommunicate everyone who disagrees with them. Kerry is using his Catholicism the way he used Vietnam. If the Catholic church decides that they don't like a public figure using the religion as a foundation to pursue policies that they don't agree with, then I think they have every right to differentiate the religion from the candidate. 75733[/snapback] Very well said, on both counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I just love how pro lifers are all worried about an unborn child however fail to address the concerns of the already born. Its okay for them to kill whom they want and are always the first ones who were sending their daughters to Europe before abortion became a right in this country. If the right wing conservatives really believe that every life is specical than they should have been the first ones calling for end to capital punishment, voting to get rid of assault rifles ( yeah really need them to hunt deer), should be concerned about funding distribution of condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies. 75729[/snapback] Love the standard mass hysteria soundbyte against "assault rifles". Care to clearly define what an assault rifle is? Please use important characteristics that discern them from my other rifles OF THE SAME CALIBER. Fuggin' mynah bird. I didn't realize it was the government's responsibility to be in people's bedrooms or place birth control in high schools. Perhaps you could point to the proper line on the subject in the Constitution for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I wasnt questioning what you do. You made the comment ProAbortion Murderers. You try to lump anyone who is pro abortion as some how being a murderer. But if someone was was pro capital punishment killing I am sure you wouldnt call them a murderer would you. What I was challenging is the hypocracy of the pro lifers whom seem to only be for life in certain situations. 75748[/snapback] So your "solution" is to lump in the almost ONE HUNDRED MILLION gun owners in this country with common criminals. Let's keep wondering why our government is grabbing more of our liberties using this "thought" process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich in Ohio Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 In what way is he "using" catholicism? Please explain just how it is that Kerry is using his religion as "a foundation to pursue policies" that the church opposes. This is simply naked politics disguised as religion. The catholic church is against the death penalty and war yet no one faces excommunication on those issues. As far as having the right to whatever, of course the church does, they can do any freaking thing they want. That is not the question. For catholics like myself the issue is the politically partisan application of church doctrine. 75798[/snapback] Would you have been happier if the Catholic Church simply turned the other cheek and did nothing to kerry? Well of course that is a stupid question, I know that you would prefer that they do that...but I had to ask the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubhockey Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I wasnt questioning what you do. You made the comment ProAbortion Murderers. You try to lump anyone who is pro abortion as some how being a murderer. But if someone was was pro capital punishment killing I am sure you wouldnt call them a murderer would you. What I was challenging is the hypocracy of the pro lifers whom seem to only be for life in certain situations. 75748[/snapback] An unborn child never brutually kill anyone. They deserve to live. Some pyscho that killed 10 people doesn't. It's not being a hypocrit, it's just using common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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