rolly Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 How come our 8 million dollar man isn't covering Roy Williams?? Someone, please just try to defend his worth on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholic Guilt Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 How come our 8 million dollar man isn't covering Roy Williams?? Someone, please just try to defend his worth on this team. 804664[/snapback] They need to knock him off the line of scrimage - like Greer didin the first quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 How come our 8 million dollar man isn't covering Roy Williams?? Someone, please just try to defend his worth on this team. 804664[/snapback] Dont worry dude. You and others will get your wish when he is signed by another team for 8 million .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolly Posted October 15, 2006 Author Share Posted October 15, 2006 Dont worry dude. You and others will get your wish when he is signed by another team for 8 million .... 804681[/snapback] I'm ok with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I'm ok with that 804686[/snapback] Watch how our team is without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolly Posted October 15, 2006 Author Share Posted October 15, 2006 Watch how our team is without him 804689[/snapback] Certainly won't be better but I don't think it would make a huge difference. I'd like to take that money and get a real offensive or defensive tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berman Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 We will not miss him a bit. The money will be better spent on other upgrades, he istnt worth the money he expects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackur Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 We will not miss him a bit. The money will be better spent on other upgrades, he istnt worth the money he expects. 804745[/snapback] yeah ok hi fairweather fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Watch how our team is without him 804689[/snapback] dude why are you all over clement's meatstick? seriously you talk about him in every thread, just give up on it already, whatever team he goes to just follow them for christ sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Certainly won't be better but I don't think it would make a huge difference. I'd like to take that money and get a real offensive or defensive tackle. 804696[/snapback] Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOOOOOO Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Why wasnt Clements on ROY.... maybe cuz our Defense has Clements cover what ever WR is on his side.... You trying to say its his fault they lined up ROY vs Mcgee?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I've got to believe that a big part of why are corners have looked SOOOO bad this year is due to scheme. There are guys who's day job it is to drive UPS trucks that haven't been abused as bad as our guys. Both McGee and Clements have shown they have talent in the past, but this year they look horrible. Of course, you can't blame the scheme for Clements tackling prowess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBilliever Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Youboty/McGee will be a solid tandem at corner, with Kiwaukee stickin' his nose in every once in a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Watch how our team is without him 804689[/snapback] Ya, we might lose to winnless teams, it will be horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Ya, we might lose to winnless teams, it will be horrible! 805196[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 dude why are you all over clement's meatstick? seriously you talk about him in every thread, just give up on it already, whatever team he goes to just follow them for christ sake. 805179[/snapback] Because I dont see the point in giving up a good player just to get another play who is not going to be as good. Other teams pay their players, and we should to. Did you watch the pre-game today? Other teams are going to give Clements the money he wants because they (unlike rose-colored-glasses Bills fans) can see that Clements is a darn good corner. Why wasnt Clements on ROY....maybe cuz our Defense has Clements cover what ever WR is on his side.... You trying to say its his fault they lined up ROY vs Mcgee?? 805185[/snapback] Some posters dont understand football ... not much you can do about that. Youboty/McGee will be a solid tandem at corner, with Kiwaukee stickin' his nose in every once in a while 805193[/snapback] The same McGee that got torched all game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I've got to believe that a big part of why are corners have looked SOOOO bad this year is due to scheme. 805188[/snapback] What scheme? The concept that 4 mediocre DT's can substitute for two good ones? How about DE's who are mostly anonymous? The idea that a virtual rookie QB behind a patchwork offensive line can't score points reliably. The list goes on and on... Re-signing Clements for big money would make a little sense if both lines weren't in desperate need of repair. Since they are in need, goodbye Nate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Watch how our team is without him what do you mean by that? This teamis 2-4, soon to be 2-5. Do you think Clements is the difference between 1-6 and 2 and 5? He's a better than average corner... but cannot lock down revceiver one on one like McCallister or Baily. Thus, I'd ratherr pickup two players for $4M than Nate for $8M. I hope the Bills trade his a$$ before Tuesday. Kiwaukee Thomas can't do worsew than Nate has this year, and Youboty is waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 What scheme? The concept that 4 mediocre DT's can substitute for two good ones? How about DE's who are mostly anonymous? The idea that a virtual rookie QB behind a patchwork offensive line can't score points reliably. The list goes on and on... Re-signing Clements for big money would make a little sense if both lines weren't in desperate need of repair. Since they are in need, goodbye Nate! 805230[/snapback] So we cut nate, draft a bunch of people for the lines and then what? Its not likely were going to be getting a good OL or DL in free agency. Teams re-sign good OL/DL before they reach the market. So we take our chance on draftees. Thats fine. The Bills are currently under the cap by nearly 12 MILLION and thats with us paying Clements 7.2 mill this year. So if we are so under the cap why cant we sign Clements to a 3-4 year contract, pay him a big signing bonus and then use the 12 million in empty cap to pay our draftees. People keep saying we can use the 7 mill we pay Clements to give to other players. Well first of all if we work the contract right we may not be paying him 7 mill next year ... a lot could go into signing bonus and over time, incentives ... etc. Also WHAT players do you want to give his money too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Won't matter if Clements leaves, we can't be much worse. He just got torched by Roy freakin' Williams. Build a good pass rush in the FA / Draft, and suddenly there's no need for an "All-Pro" like Nate at CB. Trade Clements for McFarland, and pick up Gaines Adams, DE in the Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 what do you mean by that? This teamis 2-4, soon to be 2-5. Do you think Clements is the difference between 1-6 and 2 and 5? He's a better than average corner... but cannot lock down revceiver one on one like McCallister or Baily. Thus, I'd ratherr pickup two players for $4M than Nate for $8M. I hope the Bills trade his a$$ before Tuesday. Kiwaukee Thomas can't do worsew than Nate has this year, and Youboty is waiting in the wings. 805234[/snapback] Clements isnt having a bad year. He misses a tackle here or there but so does every NFL player. I dont think he has gotten beaten horribly for a TD yet this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 He just got torched by Roy freakin' Williams. 805254[/snapback] No that was McGee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBilliever Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Notice I said solid, didn't say great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 No that was McGee 805257[/snapback] So we're paying Clements 7.2M to cover Detroit's #2 WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 How anyone can defend Clements (or anyone in our secondary) after this dismal performance is beyond me. Clements sucked last year, he's sucking this year. Like so many have said, how much worse can we be without him? We can't cover or tackle anyone now - with him. I say get him gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 How anyone can defend Clements (or anyone in our secondary) after this dismal performance is beyond me. Clements sucked last year, he's sucking this year. Like so many have said, how much worse can we be without him? We can't cover or tackle anyone now - with him. I say get him gone. 805361[/snapback] Other than a few miss tackles do you mind telling me how exactly Clements has been sucking? He got beat ONCE all day, and that was on a push-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACKMARINO Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Other than a few miss tackles do you mind telling me how exactly Clements has been sucking? He got beat ONCE all day, and that was on a push-off. 805364[/snapback] when is the last time he made a play? suck it up. u can always put tape over Clements on your #22 jersey next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Other than a few miss tackles do you mind telling me how exactly Clements has been sucking? He got beat ONCE all day, and that was on a push-off. 805364[/snapback] You are such a homer it's ridiculous. Do you ever criticize a Bills player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 when is the last time he made a play? suck it up. u can always put tape over Clements on your #22 jersey next season. 805366[/snapback] I dont have a Clements jersey and Im not even a huge fan of his. Its just common sense to me. Dont give up a good player just because he wants money. For goodness sakes. We keep giving up good players because they want money (Moulds, Winfield, Pat Williams and the list goes on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 You are such a homer it's ridiculous. Do you ever criticize a Bills player? 805368[/snapback] You are not one to talk. You put your foot in your mouth more than any other person on this board other than Joe Six Pack .... anyone needs to simply go to the gamethread and see myself and about 5 other posters tear you apart to see that. I am a usually nice person. I love my fellow men, but seriously dude. Clements is a good CB. If he wasnt then no one would pick him up in free agency and pay him the money he wants. Yet they will because he is a good CB. Yes I do critisize Bills players ... such as Rob Johnson, Travis Henry (15 year old girl thing), Peerless Price, Sam Cowart ... etc But I am also a optimist and a fan .... try it someday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACKMARINO Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I dont have a Clements jersey and Im not even a huge fan of his. Its just common sense to me. Dont give up a good player just because he wants money. For goodness sakes. We keep giving up good players because they want money (Moulds, Winfield, Pat Williams and the list goes on) 805372[/snapback] Moulds wanted out regardless, it went beyond money with him (look at all the times he restructured). As for Fat Pat and Antoine, ya we should have signed Pat back and we paid for letting him go big time, that was classic Donahoe (even Pat will tell u that). As for Nate he's making a rediculas salary and hasn't been making the plays. He'll i would have put him back there as punt returner towards the end of the game. We need to get all we can out of him paying that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Other than a few miss tackles do you mind telling me how exactly Clements has been sucking? He got beat ONCE all day, and that was on a push-off. 805364[/snapback] Seriously, how can you say you watched the last 2 games and conclude that Clements is a top 5 cornerback? He doesn't get beat long, because he's always playing too deep allowing the receivers to catch the ball in front of him. How many first down catches has he given up because he's too deep? Mix that in with those several missed tackes a game and it adds up to average corner play - at best. I'm not saying he's the only reason this defense sucks; but he's clearly not doing anything to help it out. He's adequate and for that, I'd say keep him on the team only for a significant pay cut. If another team wants to pay him $7-8 million, let them. Because he's not earned that for us in over a year now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Moulds wanted out regardless, it went beyond money with him (look at all the times he restructured). As for Fat Pat and Antoine, ya we should have signed Pat back and we paid for letting him go big time, that was classic Donahoe (even Pat will tell u that). As for Nate he's making a rediculas salary and hasn't been making the plays. He'll i would have put him back there as punt returner towards the end of the game. We need to get all we can out of him paying that much. 805378[/snapback] No one is giving a solution. We let him go to free agency and then we have about what? 15 million of free cap room to do what? Pick a few free agent scraps that other teams dont want? We have the money. Use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACKMARINO Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 No one is giving a solution. We let him go to free agency and then we have about what? 15 million of free cap room to do what? Pick a few free agent scraps that other teams dont want? We have the money. Use it. 805384[/snapback] i think drafting Youboty was the future solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 No one is giving a solution. We let him go to free agency and then we have about what? 15 million of free cap room to do what? Pick a few free agent scraps that other teams dont want? We have the money. Use it. 805384[/snapback] Dwight Freeney is a FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Seriously, how can you say you watched the last 2 games and conclude that Clements is a top 5 cornerback? He doesn't get beat long, because he's always playing too deep allowing the receivers to catch the ball in front of him. How many first down catches has he given up because he's too deep? Mix that in with those several missed tackes a game and it adds up to average corner play - at best. I'm not saying he's the only reason this defense sucks; but he's clearly not doing anything to help it out. He's adequate and for that, I'd say keep him on the team only for a significant pay cut. If another team wants to pay him $7-8 million, let them. Because he's not earned that for us in over a year now. 805383[/snapback] Again you dont give a solution. We have the money. Have you ever thought that the reason he has to play deep is because of the scheme? Also ... think about it ... when the D gives up the run it opens up the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Dwight Freeney is a FA. 805387[/snapback] He will be signed long before he hits the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 He will be signed long before he hits the market. 805389[/snapback] I don't think Indy has the cap room. Look at all the deals they've handed out. Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Diem, Glenn, Simon all own pretty large deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Solution: Start someone else. Anyone else. It can't get worse. Hell, change the scheme while you're at it. Whatever they're doing, its not working. We just made the Lions look like a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I don't think Indy has the cap room. Look at all the deals they've handed out. Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Diem, Glenn, Simon all own pretty large deals. 805393[/snapback] Mark it down. Freeney WILL be signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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