There’s something different about McD this season…

[Avisan]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

he took Jimmy Garoppolo to a Super Bowl in 2019 lol

Garoppolo played really well that year, fam.  He was productive, threw too many picks but was excellent outside of that.  Tannehill also had an incredible season that year.

 

We don't asterisk the Nick Foles Superbowl win because he isn't a great QB overall, dude was playing out of his mind for a bit.  That's sports.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Garoppolo played really well that year, fam.  He was productive, threw too many picks but was excellent outside of that.  Tannehill also had an incredible season that year.

 

We don't asterisk the Nick Foles Superbowl win because he isn't a great QB overall, dude was playing out of his mind for a bit.  That's sports.

😂😂😂Ok you looked at the stats

 

He was bad. That yr and every yr of his career

 

Because he is a bad QB

[Avisan]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂😂Ok you looked at the stats

 

He was bad. That yr and every yr of his career

 

Because he is a bad QB

Whether or not a player is a "bad QB" in the eyes of GoBills808 has little bearing on their quality of play in a given window of time

 

Nick Foles is a "bad QB" but he was amazing when it counted

[FireChans]

29 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Garoppolo played really well that year, fam.  He was productive, threw too many picks but was excellent outside of that.  Tannehill also had an incredible season that year.

 

We don't asterisk the Nick Foles Superbowl win because he isn't a great QB overall, dude was playing out of his mind for a bit.  That's sports.

The difference is that Shanny is the reason Jimmy G and Brock Purdy and to a lesser extent CJ Beathard and Nick Mulldog were productive. 
 

Mac Jones too. The system makes the QB in SF.

Edited 2 hours ago by FireChans

[Avisan]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The difference is that Shanny is the reason Jimmy G and Brock Purdy and to a lesser extent CJ Beathard and Nick Mulldog were productive. 
 

Mac Jones too. The system makes the QB in SF.

"That's like his whole thing, having a QB-friendly system that gets really good passing efficiency when he has a player under center that can run it."

 

From my initial post on the previous page.

 

He thrives with players that place the ball accurately and on schedule with good pre-snap awareness, Tua would probably look pretty darn good with Shanahan given his relative success with McDaniel.

[FireChans]

Just now, Avisan said:

"That's like his whole thing, having a QB-friendly system that gets really good passing efficiency when he has a player under center that can run it."

 

From my initial post on the previous page.

 

He thrives with players that place the ball accurately and on schedule with good pre-snap awareness, Tua would probably look pretty darn good with Shanahan given his relative success with McDaniel.

That doesn’t make them good QBs though. That’s the point.

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

That doesn’t make them good QBs though. That’s the point.

Whether or not they're subjective "good QBs" doesn't change their objective offensive output in a given window of time.  That's the point.

 

Garoppolo is "bad" because he's injury prone and easily baited into INTs, but he was extremely efficient in spot duty for NE and early on in SF before injuries etc. and defenses adjusting to tendencies.

 

Shanahan getting good QB play out of QBs that can run his system doesn't mean he's winning without good QB play.

[GoBills808]

39 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Whether or not a player is a "bad QB" in the eyes of GoBills808 has little bearing on their quality of play in a given window of time

 

Nick Foles is a "bad QB" but he was amazing when it counted

Comparing Nick Foles and Garoppolo betrays a fundamental lack of understanding 

 

The guy you mean to compare Garoppolo to is Wentz who was also a bad QB w limited stretches of decent statistical output while being an overall hindrance to their respective offenses

[GoBills808]

35 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That doesn’t make them good QBs though. That’s the point.

@Avisanwatches Mac Jones throw slant to McCaffrey for a TD after Jennings/Kittle concept lifts coverage- 'Good QB play!'

 

Watches Allen stand on his head for 10 seconds before fitting a ball thru triple coverage into a keyhole for Shakir TD- 'Good QB play!'

[Avisan]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Comparing Nick Foles and Garoppolo betrays a fundamental lack of understanding 

 

The guy you mean to compare Garoppolo to is Wentz who was also a bad QB w limited stretches of decent statistical output while being an overall hindrance to their respective offenses

Wentz had a legitimately excellent season in 2017 prior to his injury, to call him a hindrance to that offense is absurd

 

What ultimately did him in was attitude/coachability issues in subsequent seasons and he failed to progress his own play when defenses adjusted

 

This binary good QB/bad QB perspective is myopic and not reflective of reality

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Wentz had a legitimately excellent season in 2017 prior to his injury, to call him a hindrance to that offense is absurd

 

What ultimately did him in was attitude/coachability issues in subsequent seasons and he failed to progress his own play when defenses adjusted

 

This binary good QB/bad QB perspective is myopic and not reflective of reality

😂😂Again- you are just looking at stats

 

Watch more ball. Wentz was 100% a limiting factor for the Eagles offense, Hurts redux basically

 

 

[Avisan]

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂Again- you are just looking at stats

 

Watch more ball. Wentz was 100% a limiting factor for the Eagles offense, Hurts redux basically

 

 

All players have limitations.  He was in the running for MVP that season because he was playing objectively well.  How much credit you personally feel he deserves for his output doesn't change what his output was.

 

Good QBs have bad games and seasons.  Bad QBs have good games and seasons.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Avisan said:

All players have limitations.  He was in the running for MVP that season because he was playing objectively well.  How much credit you personally feel he deserves for his output doesn't change what his output was.

 

Good QBs have bad games and seasons.  Bad QBs have good games and seasons.

Ok 

 

I don't need to waste any more time on this. If you can't see the difference between good QB play and good statistical output that is on you

 

Tua led the league in passing in 2023 and was still a limiting factor in their offense. Most people who watch the games would know this

[Avisan]

29 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Ok 

 

I don't need to waste any more time on this. If you can't see the difference between good QB play and good statistical output that is on you

 

Tua led the league in passing in 2023 and was still a limiting factor in their offense. Most people who watch the games would know this

All teams have things they do and don't do well.  Efficient, productive statistical output with high volume is the goal regardless of specific limitations.

 

Allen also limits the offense in ways but he's really, really good at the things he's good at, which makes up for his (relative) deficiencies in pre-snap analysis and touch/timing throws.

 

How well a team and player can work around limitations determines how well they can perform and whether or not good output is sustainable long term, but it doesn't make the play producing that output "bad".