Alaska Darin Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 it's all hindsight now, but if he had extended his 1985-1990 dominance 10-15 more years, had not gotten himself thrown in jail, then yes, he would have been one of the best ever. But, its all hypothetical 356369[/snapback] Evander Holyfield would have beaten Tyson on his best day. When you start talking about the best ever, even in his prime Tyson would have stood no chance against Joe Louis or Ali in their prime. I won't even get into other divisions, where there are a litany of fighters much greater than Tyson who beat far better caliber competition over the course of their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Evander Holyfield would have beaten Tyson on his best day. When you start talking about the best ever, even in his prime Tyson would have stood no chance against Joe Louis or Ali in their prime. I won't even get into other divisions, where there are a litany of fighters much greater than Tyson who beat far better caliber competition over the coarse of their careers. 356370[/snapback] I'm just saying two things. first, its all hindsight. Second, i'd have a strong argument if he didn't go off the deep end from buster douglas on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 My uncle actually worked with him a lot when he was training in Upstate New York. He said that when he was younger, he was a very polite but shy individual. Fame and fortune destroyed Tyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 I'm just saying two things. first, its all hindsight. Second, i'd have a strong argument if he didn't go off the deep end from buster douglas on. 356371[/snapback] It's not hindsight. It's speculation. Tyson has been exposed and it's rather doubtful that it wouldn't have happened. Buster Douglas isn't the reason Mike Tyson lost to Evander Holyfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 It's not hindsight. It's speculation. Tyson has been exposed and it's rather doubtful that it wouldn't have happened. Buster Douglas isn't the reason Mike Tyson lost to Evander Holyfield. 356375[/snapback] no buster douglas was not the reason, but it seems like tyson's in ring problems began with buster douglas... In any event, because of his upbringing, his people, and the way he is wired, tyson was pretty much set to explode. It's unfortunate that a guy with such talent basically had zero potential to maximize it. Either way, i still don't feel sorry for his misfortunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 No he wasn't. He was a media creation, plain and simple. 356360[/snapback] Not to mention he stepped into boxing during the perfect time period. Good heavy weights were VERY scarce back then. Spinks, Douglas ect....? The media says now that the heavy weight division is in trouble. It was in bigger trouble 10-15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Mike TYson was a damn good fighter, who never really proved himself because he knocked guys out too quick. He was plan and simple a great slugger. His boxing skills and form were fair at best, but he could flat out hit. He has been exposed now since he no longer has the over powering punch, and has to really on skills to be able to go 6+ rounds. He has shown he can't do it. Overall he is probably in the top 20 boxers in the heavyweight division ever. But his general lack of skills shows. As far as he as a person goes, he is strang, he has done somethings wrong, but he paid his debt, and is out there trying to earn a living, so i will hand it too him and give him his dues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 As soon as Gus D'Amato died and he fired his corner ie. Teddy Atlas his career slowly dwindled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 As soon as Gus D'Amato died and he fired his corner ie. Teddy Atlas his career slowly dwindled. 356383[/snapback] That I will agree was the turning point into the abyss for Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 As soon as Gus D'Amato died and he fired his corner ie. Teddy Atlas his career slowly dwindled. 356383[/snapback] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 I can't believe there are still people who take Mike Tyson seriously as a boxer. The guy is a sideshow freak, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 I can't believe there are still people who take Mike Tyson seriously as a boxer. The guy is a sideshow freak, period. 356387[/snapback] Look at the way ESPN treated him all week leading up to another debacle of a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Look at the way ESPN treated him all week leading up to another debacle of a fight. 356388[/snapback] What stuns me is that there are still people out there who actually pay to watch what clearly has become the mutated placenta of WWF and As The World Turns. And shortly after plunking down their money, they see a fight that was clearly orchestrated...a fight that clearly was over-promoted...a fight they would see at a higher level of professionalism if they could just get their hands on a bootleg version of "Bum Fights." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 What stuns me is that there are still people out there who actually pay to watch what clearly has become the mutated placenta of WWF and As The World Turns. And shortly after plunking down their money, they see a fight that was clearly orchestrated...a fight that clearly was over-promoted...a fight they would see at a higher level of professionalism if they could just get their hands on a bootleg version of "Bum Fights." 356389[/snapback] Only in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Only in America. 356390[/snapback] DING! We've heard of him. Here's $50.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 DING! We've heard of him. Here's $50.00 356393[/snapback] The guy doesn't live to be 40 yrs old. Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 The guy doesn't live to be 40 yrs old. Mark my words. 356397[/snapback] Then maybe he should take up painting, like right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Fame and fortune destroyed Tyson. 356374[/snapback] That and the fact that his parents pretty crappy to him. Most people that are beaten bad as kids by adults (parents, priests, babysitters) tend to be really screwed up for a long. I speak from experience on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Should have hired angelo dundee. He could have save his career maybe. How many trainers did he go thru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Should have hired angelo dundee. He could have save his career maybe. How many trainers did he go thru. 356476[/snapback] Hell Mick Dundee would've been a better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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