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On 11/22/2020 at 4:15 PM, Doc said:

 

But tell me, which QB from 1999-2010 could have been a franchise QB with the new rules beginning in 2011?

 

 

I would have to think on the more recent guys but the 3 Chris's from the late 80's and 90's are the one's that come most quickly to mind.

 

Chris Chandler.......aka "Chris-tal Chandelier"

Chris Miller

Jim "Chrissy" Everett

 

They would have absolutely feasted in this NFL..........I mean those guys could deal the ball...........they just couldn't deal with getting more violent hits in a rough start than good QB's get in an entire season now.    All three of them might have played into the 2000's with todays protections as well.

 

 

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2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There was a point in Miami when Tannehill was the league's worst deep ball thrower.

 

It was comical.

 

Every team was just daring him to push the ball downfield.

 

Now he is among the best...........he can really drop a deep ball in a bucket to get over an opposing defense.

 

Allen's improvement has been pretty systematic and probably as linear as one could have hoped for a 3 year process.............last year he really advanced his short to intermediate accuracy..........this year his big improvement is basically all the things that are associated with the game "slowing down" for him.........awareness, pocket presence, decision making.

 

So far,  his work on improving his deep ball throwing hasn't yielded the desired results though.

 

They are at the point where they might just want to run 40 yard out passes and let him pipe it in on a line(like only he and a select few could) rather than try to get over the top of a defense............case in point the TD throw to Diggs last week.

 

 

Love your last point, but allen could probably throw a 50-yard deep out on a rope!

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3 hours ago, Simon said:

I think it may be the single greatest one year leap I have ever seen from any QB with any franchise.


Tonight is making me remember that Jared Goff is in that conversation.  He almost bombed out of the league his first year and made the Pro Bowl in year 2.

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27 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I would have to think on the more recent guys but the 3 Chris's from the late 80's and 90's are the one's that come most quickly to mind.

 

Chris Chandler.......aka "Chris-tal Chandelier"

Chris Miller

Jim "Chrissy" Everett

 

They would have absolutely feasted in this NFL..........I mean those guys could deal the ball...........they just couldn't deal with getting more violent hits in a rough start than good QB's get in an entire season now.    All three of them might have played into the 2000's with todays protections as well.

 

Chandler wasn't a 1st rounder.  As for Miller and Everett, they might have thrown for more yards, but it was their decision-making that hurt them most.  They would have been Jay Cutlers.

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2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Chandler wasn't a 1st rounder.  As for Miller and Everett, they might have thrown for more yards, but it was their decision-making that hurt them most.  They would have been Jay Cutlers.

 

 

I am sure there would be a nice list of players that could have been franchise QB's today.............but the pool of available talent has been opened up by the opening up of the passing game.

 

A guy like Kyler Murray.....a legit high first round pick in MLB.......he takes that multi-million $ baseball contract 12 years ago.

 

Patrick Mahomes is probably steered into MLB as well.

 

There was no way a guy like Charlie Ward was turning down easy back-of-round-1 NBA money back in the mid-90's to earn his stripes at QB in that NFL.......in today's dollars he made the equivalent of $50M in his 11 year NBA career............but nowadays with all the advantages that athletic QB's have it would have been a no brainer to go NFL and be great and potentially earn 5-10 times that instead of just a be decent NBA player.

 

The passer freedom and earnings potential has just opened up the game to a much broader group of players so the pool of talent isn't as limited as it was 15 years ago.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:


Tonight is making me remember that Jared Goff is in that conversation.  He almost bombed out of the league his first year and made the Pro Bowl in year 2.

 

 

The list of huge one year jumps for QB's is long.........they used to call it "the light coming on".

 

Unless it's just limited to Bills QB's I wouldn't even put Allen in that category...........he's made big strides but he was one of the more accurate short to intermediate passers last season and stopped turning the ball over mid-season 2019 etc.......yeah he freaked out in the second NE game and missed some layups and later in the second half of the wildcard game............but he was a good QB on a very positive trajectory and had some fantastic games last year.

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12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

There was a point in Miami when Tannehill was the league's worst deep ball thrower.

 

It was comical.

what does THAT really have to do with the OP? 

 

but since you mentioned it - Tannehill's problem....   Tannehill is a good QB.  He just had bad coaches.

Coach: Adam Gase

Offensive Coordinator: Dowell Loggains

 

Mic Drop. 

 

 

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