Kelly the Dog Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Please don't answer if you're just going to say he gave up 11.25 sacks. We know that. We also know that he looked extremely average at C until McNally and MM got here. We know that MW looked very average and gave up a lot of sacks at RT before Mouse and MM got here. We know that McNally has got the most out of lesser players than Teague. I am not saying he will be good or great. I have no idea. And still think we're getting Shelton to play there. But what, specifically, makes you think he cannot be a very solid LT in this league? He is not small, he is not stupid, he is not slow, he is not a kitty, he is not bad technique wise. I am just not an OL expert and it seems to me if he can make vast improvements at C in one year, has played the position before, and does not possess limitations physically to play LT in this league, what exactly is preventing him from being a reliable LT? Furthermore, that 11.25 sacks in Denver was on a team that had problems all over the offense, not just the far left side of their line. They had three injured RBs I believe, and one WR (Smith caught like 113 passes and the most anyone else had was 15), no Shannon Sharpe or TE threat, and an erratic quarterback. ANd yet still finished 10th in the league in O and had an 8-8 record with a mediocre defense. This is really more of a question looking for a specific football answer. What exactly is it preventing TT from being good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I think Teague as a LT would do quite well against speed rushers, with his footwork, lateral movement and positioning. The problem is that I think he would get abused by larger DE's and also have trouble on off-tackle plays to his side of the formation where he may have to go man on man with a larger player.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 I think Teague as a LT would do quite well against speed rushers, with his footwork, lateral movement and positioning. The problem is that I think he would get abused by larger DE's and also have trouble on off-tackle plays to his side of the formation where he may have to go man on man with a larger player.... 293112[/snapback] I am not arguing that, for it may well be true, but doesn't he now block bigger and stronger players than he would at OT? Granted, it is not as if he regularly blows people off the line, although that is difficult for a center to do anyway. Furthermore, with the way Willis happens to run... gliding seemingly forever and then making a quick decision and making his move to the hole, it seems like a Teague-type blocker wouldn't need to blow people away as much as get position on them and tie them up and seal them off so they cannot get to McGahee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I am not arguing that, for it may well be true, but doesn't he now block bigger and stronger players than he would at OT? Granted, it is not as if he regularly blows people off the line, although that is difficult for a center to do anyway. Furthermore, with the way Willis happens to run... gliding seemingly forever and then making a quick decision and making his move to the hole, it seems like a Teague-type blocker wouldn't need to blow people away as much as get position on them and tie them up and seal them off so they cannot get to McGahee. 293130[/snapback] I do think that as a tackle, one is put on an "island" quite often, whereas while playing center (in our scheme) virtually none of your blocks are one on one, they are more chip type blocks or blitz pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 i think he can't do it because he was lousy at it in denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Please don't answer if you're just going to say he gave up 11.25 sacks. We know that. We also know that he looked extremely average at C until McNally and MM got here. We know that MW looked very average and gave up a lot of sacks at RT before Mouse and MM got here. We know that McNally has got the most out of lesser players than Teague. I am not saying he will be good or great. I have no idea. And still think we're getting Shelton to play there. But what, specifically, makes you think he cannot be a very solid LT in this league? He is not small, he is not stupid, he is not slow, he is not a kitty, he is not bad technique wise. I am just not an OL expert and it seems to me if he can make vast improvements at C in one year, has played the position before, and does not possess limitations physically to play LT in this league, what exactly is preventing him from being a reliable LT? Furthermore, that 11.25 sacks in Denver was on a team that had problems all over the offense, not just the far left side of their line. They had three injured RBs I believe, and one WR (Smith caught like 113 passes and the most anyone else had was 15), no Shannon Sharpe or TE threat, and an erratic quarterback. ANd yet still finished 10th in the league in O and had an 8-8 record with a mediocre defense. This is really more of a question looking for a specific football answer. What exactly is it preventing TT from being good? 293094[/snapback] He has had the opportunity to be a starting LT in this league on two occasions and did not measure up. That is why Denver let him go and that is a team that has a history of being a pretty good judge of offensive line talent. We brought him in with the idea of him starting at LT and he was unimpressive enough that we moved him to center, a position he hadn't played since college. As a center, he has been little better than mediocre. I guess anything is possible but speaking for myself, I am not looking forward to handing over the most important position on an already struggling line to a 7th round pick who has struck out as a LT twice and has been a marginal center at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 He has had the opportunity to be a starting LT in this league on two occasions and did not measure up. That is why Denver let him go and that is a team that has a history of being a pretty good judge of offensive line talent. We brought him in with the idea of him starting at LT and he was unimpressive enough that we moved him to center, a position he hadn't played since college. As a center, he has been little better than mediocre. I guess anything is possible but speaking for myself, I am not looking forward to handing over the most important position on an already struggling line to a 7th round pick who has struck out as a LT twice and has been a marginal center at best. 293216[/snapback] Fair enough. I would argue that he was only moved to Center not because he sucked but the Bills simply had two spots to fill and two OL and decided that a Jennings LT/Teague C option was slightly better than a Teague LT/Jennings C option because Jennings had been here and had just come off a very successful rookie season and nothing more. I would also argue that while very mediocre in his first two seasons (and IMO a lot of that had to do with who was next to him as well as who was behind him), TT had a significantly better year last year, and wasn't just mediocre. The 7th round pick means very little several years down the line anyway, especially for an OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 He has had the opportunity to be a starting LT in this league on two occasions and did not measure up. That is why Denver let him go and that is a team that has a history of being a pretty good judge of offensive line talent. We brought him in with the idea of him starting at LT and he was unimpressive enough that we moved him to center, a position he hadn't played since college. As a center, he has been little better than mediocre. I guess anything is possible but speaking for myself, I am not looking forward to handing over the most important position on an already struggling line to a 7th round pick who has struck out as a LT twice and has been a marginal center at best. 293216[/snapback] actually, I think the fact that Teague was EVER a starting LT in Denver is a positive for him. It shows that he has the talent to play there since Denver knows their o-linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Fair enough. I would argue that he was only moved to Center not because he sucked but the Bills simply had two spots to fill and two OL and decided that a Jennings LT/Teague C option was slightly better than a Teague LT/Jennings C option because Jennings had been here and had just come off a very successful rookie season and nothing more. I would also argue that while very mediocre in his first two seasons (and IMO a lot of that had to do with who was next to him as well as who was behind him), TT had a significantly better year last year, and wasn't just mediocre. The 7th round pick means very little several years down the line anyway, especially for an OL. 293233[/snapback] I thought you were looking for a "football based" answer though, as in what about him physically or skill wise, etc. So now you're satisfied with an answer that is not based on those parameters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 I thought you were looking for a "football based" answer though, as in what about him physically or skill wise, etc. So now you're satisfied with an answer that is not based on those parameters? 293253[/snapback] Aren't we asking a little too much of people to actually answer the question though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Aren't we asking a little too much of people to actually answer the question though? 293256[/snapback] Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 I think Teague as a LT would do quite well against speed rushers, with his footwork, lateral movement and positioning. The problem is that I think he would get abused by larger DE's and also have trouble on off-tackle plays to his side of the formation where he may have to go man on man with a larger player.... 293112[/snapback] like he doesn't go head to head with larger players while playing C. He will be no worse than John Fina as LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 actually, I think the fact that Teague was EVER a starting LT in Denver is a positive for him. It shows that he has the talent to play there since Denver knows their o-linemen. 293237[/snapback] They cut him after one year as a starter. As it turns out, he didn't have the talent to play there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 like he doesn't go head to head with larger players while playing C. He will be no worse than John Fina as LT. 293281[/snapback] Actually, he really doesn't very often to be honest. And when he does, he usually gets bowled over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 They cut him after one year as a starter. As it turns out, he didn't have the talent to play there. 293289[/snapback] Well, no. They just didn't resign him after his 3-4 year deal was up. And they did negotiate with him, they just didn't offer him as much money as the Bills did and had other guys on the roster or coming back from injury that they thought they could form a line with. And he had missed almost the entire season before with a serious injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Exactly... if he didn't have the talent, why would Denver, the o-line gurus that they are, have ever put him there in the first place? They saw SOMETHING in Teague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Aren't we asking a little too much of people to actually answer the question though? 293256[/snapback] I am not sure that is really a fair question. If being a good blocker was simply a matter of having certain quantifiable physical qualities then all you would need to guarantee drafting a pro bowler would be some measuring tape, a stop watch and some weights. It doesn't work that way. My reasons for thinking that TT is less than a sure thing at LT has nothing to do with my believing he is physically limited in some way, it is based on me seeing him miss too many blocks. Whether he missed them because he misread the defense, was too slow, too fast, too weak or too strong, I don't care. You may be right that Teague has some talent as yet untapped that JM will bring out so I see what you are trying to get at with a question about his skill set. I will say this, I spent a lot of time with my recorder playing back running plays this past season to focus on the line. At times, Teague would make a great play out of nowhere. I recall one where he was leading on a sweep and a LB came knifing into the backfield through a gap just behind the play. The LB would have made the tackle for a loss but somehow Trey was able to stop his own momentum enough to dive back to the inside and pick the guy off in the nick of time. It was a great play, no question. However, he just doesn't make them very often or very consistently. For every play like that there were a fistful of plays where he simply got beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 No question do I think that TT can play LT. I think that he is one of the few linemen who can literally play at EVERY SINGLE POSITIONS and do fairly well. He would do fairly well at LT. Maybe not the best, but he would not be a bust. He did block as LT on a dang good Denver Bronco rushing attack team too, don't forget that. I am sure he hasn't gotten any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Move Tucker to Center, get Sheldon and cut Teague..........out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Please don't answer if you're just going to say he gave up 11.25 sacks. We know that. We also know that he looked extremely average at C until McNally and MM got here. We know that MW looked very average and gave up a lot of sacks at RT before Mouse and MM got here. We know that McNally has got the most out of lesser players than Teague. I am not saying he will be good or great. I have no idea. And still think we're getting Shelton to play there. But what, specifically, makes you think he cannot be a very solid LT in this league? He is not small, he is not stupid, he is not slow, he is not a kitty, he is not bad technique wise. I am just not an OL expert and it seems to me if he can make vast improvements at C in one year, has played the position before, and does not possess limitations physically to play LT in this league, what exactly is preventing him from being a reliable LT? Furthermore, that 11.25 sacks in Denver was on a team that had problems all over the offense, not just the far left side of their line. They had three injured RBs I believe, and one WR (Smith caught like 113 passes and the most anyone else had was 15), no Shannon Sharpe or TE threat, and an erratic quarterback. ANd yet still finished 10th in the league in O and had an 8-8 record with a mediocre defense. This is really more of a question looking for a specific football answer. What exactly is it preventing TT from being good? 293094[/snapback] What most people on this board chose to forget was that Teague was the Broncos' LT and thought he was brought to Buffalo to play that position. He was quite upset when he learned he was being moved to C. He didn't become a pain in the ass and finally accepted this shift but I'm certain he can still play the tackle position. Whether he's willing to go back to it is another question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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