Again the need for 300 yards Passing/game

[JM2009]

3 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:

Why did you arbitrarily pick 220 yards? Bigger named QBs to fit your agenda, to paint your boy Tyrod in a better light? If you picked under 200 yards( which everyone would do and  makes way more sense), Tyrod sits at 184, the big names go away and doesn't fit your agenda as nicely. The under 200 yards list is Kizer, Cutler, Flacco, Hoyer, Hundley, Trubisky, Savage and even Aaron Rodgers (though he only started 6 games). 

You just can't handle that Tyrod stinks and is in the bottom with the also rans and rookies, save Rodgers. The first stage is acceptance, let it happen. 

 

The love affair with this guy is unprecedented and down right creepy. I've never seen the excuses and fabrications made to make this guy look better than he is, it's bizarre. 

21-18 for an average at best roster isn't terrible at all. In fact, if they finish 9-7, TT will have the most wins-24-of any QB during the drought. he is a good stop gap till the Bills get better. the creepy thing is the crusaders who have an infatuation of hate towards one player, even in wins. this should be a happy week after a nice road win. But there are those unhappy that we won.

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

I can assure you, I'm not missing the point.

 

I don't know if you noticed, but we're 30th in passing TD's.  Does that affect points?

 

We're 30th in passing yards.  Does that affect our ability to get down field and score TD's and FG's?

 

Passing yards are irrelevant to 9th grade statisticians.  Nobody else.

Tyrod was 24th in passing TDs year and they were a top 10 scoring offense (higher before week 17). It doesn’t matter how you move the ball. It’s baffling that you still can’t follow that.  That’s why no one in sports worries about gross stats. They don’t tell a story. There isn’t a team in football looking at passing yards or rushing yards to analyze a situation. They look at, and care about, data points that influence outcomes of games. They play chess, not checkers.

[JM2009]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Hard to pass for 300 yards when your OC and HC doesn't allow your QB to do jack squat when they get a lead. 

I would have liked a safe pass play called in that last series to get a first down and end the game there.

[JM2009]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Tyrod was 24th in passing TDs year and they were a top 10 scoring offense (higher before week 17). It doesn’t matter how you move the ball. It’s baffling that you still can’t follow that.  That’s why no one in sports worries about gross stats. They don’t tell a story. There isn’t a team in football looking at passing yards or rushing yards to analyze a situation. They look at, and care about, data points that influence outcomes of games. They play chess, not checkers.

I remember last season posters claiming his rushing TDs were not as good because they were not passing TDs. It's bizarre.

[Gigs]

Fitz did what people were compaining about 10 years ago. No playoffs. 

 

Need more than just a QB

[JM2009]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

The Tyrod hate clouds their ability to watch the game without an unbiased opinion. 

 

This is true. which means they are upset when the Bills win. Why bother being a fan.

[BringBackOrton]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Tyrod was 24th in passing TDs year and they were a top 10 scoring offense (higher before week 17). It doesn’t matter how you move the ball. It’s baffling that you still can’t follow that.  That’s why no one in sports worries about gross stats. They don’t tell a story. There isn’t a team in football looking at passing yards or rushing yards to analyze a situation. They look at, and care about, data points that influence outcomes of games. They play chess, not checkers.

They would've been higher if TT passed for more yards and TD's.

 

How do you not understand this?

 

Stop avoiding the questions.

 

I don't know if you noticed, but we're 30th in passing TD's.  Does that affect points?

 

We're 30th in passing yards.  Does that affect our ability to get down field and score TD's and FG's?

 

Please answer.

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

 

Edited November 29, 2017 by jmc12290

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Hard to pass for 300 yards when your OC and HC doesn't allow your QB to do jack squat when they get a lead. 

Why are you talking Chicago?

hiw many passes is Mitch allowed this week ?

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

They would've been higher if TT passed for more yards and TD's.

 

How do you not understand this?

 

Stop avoiding the questions.

 

I don't know if you noticed, but we're 30th in passing TD's.  Does that affect points?

 

We're 30th in passing yards.  Does that affect our ability to get down field and score TD's and FG's?

 

Please answer.

We were 1st in rushing TDs last year can’t you see how that relates to points?!? We were 1st in rushing yards can you not see how that  impacts our ability to get down the field and score?!? This is the stupidest argument anyone has made since the suggestion that we trade Mario Williams for John Skelton. It is the sum of the parts that we need to evaluate not a part. If you don’t see the value that Tyrod provides to the running game I don’t know what to tell you.

 

You are saying we’d score more if we threw more TDs. That’s true if it doesn’t come at the expense of the running game. If it does it’s a net zero. The same holds true for yards. That’s been the issue from the start. The offense was good the last two years. It isn’t this year. It’s not because of passing yards. It’s because what they did well, they don’t anymore. The main difference is the guy designing the offense and calling the plays.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We were 1st in rushing TDs last year can’t you see how that relates to points?!? We were 1st in rushing yards can you not see how that  impacts our ability to get down the field and score?!? This is the stupidest argument anyone has made since the suggestion that we trade Mario Williams for John Skelton. It is the sum of the parts that we need to evaluate not a part. If you don’t see the value that Tyrod provides to the running game I don’t know what to tell you.

 

You are saying we’d score more if we threw more TDs. That’s true if it doesn’t come at the expense of the running game. If it does it’s a net zero. The same holds true for yards. That’s been the issue from the start. The offense was good the last two years. It isn’t this year. It’s not because of passing yards. It’s because what they did well, they don’t anymore. The main difference is the guy designing the offense and calling the plays.

Why did the team 2nd in both rushing yards and rushing TD's score more points than us last year?  Why did they have a better points per drive stat?  A better yards per game stat?

 

Do you want a hint?  It has something to do with them scoring more passing TD's and passing for more yards.  

Edited November 29, 2017 by jmc12290

[JM2009]

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

Why did the team 2nd in both rushing yards and rushing TD's score more points than us last year?  Why did they have a better points per drive stat?  A better yards per game stat?

 

Do you want a hint?  It has something to do with them scoring more passing TD's and passing for more yards.  

400 points was enough to be a playoff team.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Why did the team 2nd in both rushing yards and rushing TD's score more points than us last year?  Why did they have a better points per drive stat?  A better yards per game stat?

 

Do you want a hint?  It has something to do with them scoring more passing TD's and passing for more yards.  

We were still in the top 10 in scoring. You can always be better but a top 10 scoring offense in consecutive years should be enough to win. The Bills scored the exact same amount of points as the Steelers last year and that includes the EJ clunker in week 17. They are in the 15 spots lower with largely the same personnel. That’s not because of the passing game. It is pretty much the same. 

Edited November 29, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We were still in the top 10 in scoring. You can always be better but a top 10 scoring offense in consecutive years should be enough to win. They are in the 15 spots lower with largely the same personnel. That’s not because of the passing game. It is pretty much the same. 

How could that be?  You just spent a page arguing the gross numbers sucked in the passing game because the running game was cooking.  Now the running game is suffering and we aren't seeing that effect in reverse?  Shouldn't the Bills have higher grossing numbers to compensate?  Why aren't they?  Could it maybe relate to the fact our QB isn't all that great at passing?  A fact that you said "doesn't matter," while we limp along as the 22nd offense in points scored?

 

Also "should be enough to win" sounds like eliminating blame.  If we didn't win enough to make the playoffs, it wasn't "enough."  And this from a guy who says W-L is what matters.  

 

 

Edited November 29, 2017 by jmc12290

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

How could that be?  You just spent a page arguing the gross numbers sucked in the passing game because the running game was cooking.  Now the running game is suffering and we aren't seeing that effect in reverse?  Shouldn't the Bills have higher grossing numbers to compensate?  Why aren't they?  Could it maybe relate to the fact our QB isn't all that great at passing?  A fact that you said "doesn't matter," while we limp along as the 22nd offense in points scored?  

 

 

He’s the same guy!! Do you see regression?!? I think he’s pretty much the same but if anything many would argue he’s a better passer. The scheme and playcalling is what’s different. 

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s the same guy!! Do you see regression?!? I think he’s pretty much the same but if anything many would argue he’s a better passer. The scheme and playcalling is what’s different. 

Why don't the Bills have higher passing numbers to compensate for the suffering run game?  A reversal of the phenomenon you assure is the reason for the lackluster passing numbers in 2016 and 2015.

 

I'll hang up and listen.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Why don't the Bills have higher passing numbers to compensate for the suffering run game?  A reversal of the phenomenon you assure is the reason for the lackluster passing numbers in 2016 and 2015.

 

I'll hang up and listen.

Because the scheme is bad!! When you have the same guys, a new coach and different results the coaching is the reason. That is so, so, so basic. Are you new to this sports thing? 

 

Let me ask it it another way, is Shady an average RB now?

Edited November 29, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Because the scheme is bad!! When you have the same guys, a new coach and different results the coaching is the reason. That is so, so, so basic. Are you new to this sports thing? 

You just told me it was about opportunity.  How do we know the passing scheme wasn't bad in 2016 and 2015?

[JM2009]

2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

You just told me it was about opportunity.  How do we know the passing scheme wasn't bad in 2016 and 2015?

When Watkins and Woods were both on the field, TT had nice numbers.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

You just told me it was about opportunity.  How do we know the passing scheme wasn't bad in 2016 and 2015?

I’ll ask again is Shady all of a sudden an average player? I never said anything about opportunity. 

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ll ask again is Shady all of a sudden an average player? I never said anything about opportunity. 

You don't contend that our gross passing numbers were low in 2015 and 2016 because our rushing numbers were high and "a rushing TD and passing TD count the same?"

 

No, he's not.