TakeYouToTasker Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I would say that there is a causation between mental problems and suicide. You would be wrong. First of all, you haven't defined mental problems; and that's not even the argument you were making. You made an argument that mental problems were the singular cause of suicide; which is patently false. Can there be exceptions? I suppose so. You suppose that there can be exceptions? You haven't even demonstrated causation yet. Start there, then build your hypothesis; not the other way around. I would also say that there is a correlation between transgenders and mental problems. ... Data???? While transgenderism didn't cause the suicide the mental problems that caused the transgenderism was the causation of the suicide. ... So... ... So now you've expanded on your gut feelings... with no data to back them... and have catagorized transgenderism as a disease? On what authority? I have shown that 40% of transgenders have attempted suicide. No you haven't. You source is in no way affirmative. An even higher percentage have mental problems. Again, data??? You've yet to demonstrate that suicide's primary root cause is "mental problems", further, you've yet to define what "metal problems" are. At this point any reasonable reader can only believe you to have come up with a solution, and then invented a problem to suit it. Your whole approach to this has been backwards. I don't think we should expect the average serviceman to go into combat with someone who has a good chance of having mental problems. Again, show causation, define mental problems, and quit assigning group identities to individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Where do you house Private Klinger who still has his dick but identifies as a woman? There have been many more sexual assault complaints over the last few years. Assaults against males are more common place than against females. Somehow I doubt that. Private Klinger will sleep wherever his commanding officer tells him to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_suicide.php "The great majority of people who experience a mental illness do not die by suicide. However, of those who die from suicide, more than 90 percent have a diagnosable mental disorder." Somehow I doubt that. Private Klinger will sleep wherever his commanding officer tells him to sleep. The OP has a link to an article that you might want to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I take it you didn't follow through on the findings to see what's behind the number? Aarin Belkin, who heads The Palm Center, which studies gays and lesbians in the military, said “very few” male-on-male perpetrators are gay, saying such incidents are “somewhat similar to prison rape.” “It is important to try as hard as possible to eliminate sexual assaults from the military, but I don’t think that procedural reforms will do much to lower the incidence rate unless military culture changes dramatically,” said Mr. Belkin, whose 2012 book “Bring Me Men,” included a case study on male-on-male rape in the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I take it you didn't follow through on the findings to see what's behind the number? And, as I stated up-thread, this isn't a new problem. The difference is that victims are now willing to come forward without fear of being discharged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 And, as I stated up-thread, this isn't a new problem. The difference is that victims are now willing to come forward without fear of being discharged. And how would the victim of a homosexual rape be discharged? For wearing seductive clothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 But are the mental problems caused by being LGTB or the other way around? THAT is open for debate. By current thinking, the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 And how would the victim of a homosexual rape be discharged? For wearing seductive clothing? ... So you believe that homosexuals joined the Army, en masse, and began a rape crusade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 ... So you believe that homosexuals joined the Army, en masse, and began a rape crusade? How is that a answer to my question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) How is that a answer to my question? Your question was used as a medium to reassertion your premise. I've skipped a step to save us time. See my above posts about the reason for the increase in reported sex assaults. The only refutation of what I've posited, is what I've asked you in my last post. Edited March 22, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Your question was used as a medium to reassertion your premise. I've skipped a step to save us time. See my above posts about the reason for the increase in reported sex assaults. The only refutation of what I've posited, is what I've asked you in my last post. so we all must accept increased reporting as the cause of the higher rape numbers as fact? No real increase, just more reporting? Says who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 so we all must accept increased reporting as the cause of the higher rape numbers as fact? No real increase, just more reporting? Says who? Again: So you believe that homosexuals joined the Army, en masse, and began a rape crusade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Again: So you believe that homosexuals joined the Army, en masse, and began a rape crusade? Ah liberal exaggerations. En masse. rape crusade. Perfect. Do you really find it hard to believe that homosexual rape went up when the number of homosexuals increased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Ah liberal exaggerations. En masse. rape crusade. Perfect. Do you really find it hard to believe that homosexual rape went up when the number of homosexuals increased? ... You haven't read anything posted here... Read, you !@#$ing retard. Given the massive increase in reporting of male on male rape, one of two senarios is possible. 1) huge masses of homosexuals joined the military and immediately set themselves to rape. 2) the rape problem already existed, and a change in the law made reporting those rapes easier on the victims Choose. Edited March 22, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 " you !@#$ing retard." OK Gregg you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 " you !@#$ing retard." OK Gregg you win. In this thread, I'll take that as an easy compliment. Choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) In this thread, I'll take that as an easy compliment. Choose. Well there you go. Romney put his dog on the car. Case closed. You know you are not as brilliant or insightful as you think. You go the personal insult angle and present your opinion as facts. Edited March 22, 2014 by Jim in Anchorage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Well there you go. Romney put his dog on the car. C I've presented you with a choice. Choose or volunteer an additional possibility. I'm waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I've presented you with a choice. Choose or volunteer an additional possibility. I'm waiting. I think I did that. You choose not to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I think I did that. You choose not to answer. No, liar. You haven't. Try now: Given the massive increase in reporting of male on male rape, one of two senarios is possible. 1) huge masses of homosexuals joined the military and immediately set themselves to rape. 2) the rape problem already existed, and a change in the law made reporting those rapes easier on the victims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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