jonramz Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) 1) Last year the Bills had 22 3rd downs against the Patriots They passed on 19 of them, what did they do on the other 3? Kicked 2 field goals (made one, missed one), and Fitzpatrick scrambled on the other Not a running play to be found. 2) The % of snaps the Bills operate out of the shotgun Note: 2nd and 3rd down are separated out into what I would consider "short" and "long" for their respective down and distances. 1st and 10 46% shotgun 2nd and 1-5 50% shotgun 2nd and 6+ 61% shotgun 3rd and 1-4 67% shotgun 3rd and 5+ 89% shotgun I thought they were pretty interesting stats... it's the offseason, I'm going through football withdrawal -Jon yardsperpass.com EDIT: See my post below for further stat breakdowns Edited July 14, 2012 by jonramz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 That is intersting at first. But, in many of those situations I would bet we needed to pass. of the 19 how many did we complete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 That is intersting at first. But, in many of those situations I would bet we needed to pass. of the 19 how many did we complete? Enough in the Sept game, January not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I forgot how much the Bills work out of the shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Thanks for compiling but without comparables, the stats are meaningless. Also, 3rd and 1-4 doesn't break it down enough. Most teams consider 3rd and 4 a passing down, but 3rd and 1 is a very different animal and shouldn't be lumped together with 3rd and 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Beach Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Thanks for compiling but without comparables, the stats are meaningless. Also, 3rd and 1-4 doesn't break it down enough. Most teams consider 3rd and 4 a passing down, but 3rd and 1 is a very different animal and shouldn't be lumped together with 3rd and 4. a little overly harsh IMO. The stats aren't meaningless, we passed on all of them. But yes, the data should be separated a little more to differentiate 3 & 1-2 vs 3 & 3-5 which as you said are very different animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 a little overly harsh IMO. The stats aren't meaningless, we passed on all of them. But yes, the data should be separated a little more to differentiate 3 & 1-2 vs 3 & 3-5 which as you said are very different animals. Mark, my other point was that if these figures don't deviate from the league averages, then they really don't tell you anything at all. So the Bills go to shotgun 89% of the time in 3rd and 5. Well if that's the league average, what does it tell you? That Gailey is pass-happy? No, actually it would say that his play calling is in line with the league norm. That's what I meant by "comparables." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I don't think you need to look at stats to know that the Bills probably pass more than a team with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB and Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller at running back should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Being in the shotgun doesn't mean that they passed. They run out of the shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonramz Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't release stats like this about every team, all of this had to come by reviewing every game's play by play data. Otherwise I most definitely would have compared them to the NFL average. As far as the 3rd and 1, 3rd and 2 vs 3rd 3-5, here are those stats. For the Bills, 3rd and 1 was completely different than 3rd and 2. 3rd and 2 was treated much more as a passing down, than a running down 3rd and 1 Shotgun: 24% Pass: 14% Run: 86% ---Wildcat: 28% (60% success rate) B. Smith stopped only once --- QB Sneak 33% Overall success rate 62% (one success via penalty) 3rd and 2 Shotgun: 69% Pass: 85% Run: 15% ---Wildcat: 50% Overall success rate 46% (all runs were successful) 3rd 3-5 Shotgun: 93% Pass: 93% (1 scramble, 1 sack) Run: 7% ---Wildcat: 25% Overall success rate 43% Btw the Bills finished 28th in 3rd down conversion % in the NFL, only 32.5%, not good -Jon yardsperpass.com That is intersting at first. But, in many of those situations I would bet we needed to pass. of the 19 how many did we complete? Bills completed 63% of the passes Bills were successful in converting on 32% -Jon yardsperpass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I don't think you need to look at stats to know that the Bills probably pass more than a team with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB and Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller at running back should. This. Fredex has a knack of picking up 3-4 yds on a busted play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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