shrader Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 GB Packers top 5: Favre Starr Rodgers Hasselbeck Flynn (I dont know any of the old timers but one of them is probably better than Flynn / Hasselbeck. How many teams even have 1 QB that is better than the top 3 guys on their list? That team has been blessed.. It makes you think about any team that wound up with back to back elite QBs. San Francisco is the first that comes to my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 WOOW, With a good season Fitz will be battling for our third best QB in history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 That was a function of the Bills having superior talent around Kelly. This won't be popular but given the choice of Marino or Kelly, I'd take Marino in a heartbeat. The fins had some good talent surrounding Marino, the issue they had was that they asked Danny Boy to throw all the damned time instead of managing a balanced attack. Kelly called his own plays and if he wanted to be an egomaniac (which he was to a large extent), he could have passed, and passed and passed some more, but Kelly was a better overall QB than Marino. Dan played in sunny Miami, while Jimbo played in the swirling Rich Stadium... Kelly also lost 2 years in the USFL where he DESTROYED the league! "In two seasons in Houston, running coach Mouse Davis' run-and-shoot offense, he threw for 9,842 yards and 83 touchdowns, completing 63% with an average of 8.53 yards per attempt with 45 interceptions. He was the USFL MVP in 1984, when he set a league record with 5,219 yards passing and 44 TD passes. Kelly's USFL records eclipsed those of fellow league quarterbacks Doug Williams and Steve Young"... Marino was probably a better "pure" passer, but Kelly was a better overall QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Yep. There are people here who still think it was all about the defense, even though Johnson had a losing record with that same defense. That extra 2-3 first downs each game… the extra 5 minutes of possession time… all those things effect the outcome of football games. Flutie had lots of intangibles… Johnson had zero. Flutie also had 7 4th quarter comebacks in his 30 starts in Buffalo. He always seemed to have a trick or two up his sleeve for the end. So as I was saying to you guys, 13th overall in career pass attempts with the Bills behind such luminaries as Dennis Shaw, JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Todd Collins, and Alex Van Pelt. Not only did Frank Reich command the Bills in the Greatest Comeback game but he was also (along with Gary Kubiak) considered the best backup quarterback of his era. That's why he is on the list. Have a little respect for the guy. If he was any good in the first half of that game and the first series of the second half, it wouldn't have been the greatest comeback. If the LB intercepts the ball that goes right through his hands the serie after Reich threw the pick six even Marv probalby would have given up at that point. How do you even decide who is best back-up QB of an era? And lastly how frickin sad is it that a Top Ten list of franchise QB's has a career back-up in the discussion!!! Might as well add Vince Young to the list now, because he was much more successful that Reich ever was as a starter. GB Packers top 5: Favre Starr Rodgers Hasselbeck Flynn (I dont know any of the old timers but one of them is probably better than Flynn / Hasselbeck. How many teams even have 1 QB that is better than the top 3 guys on their list? That team has been blessed.. Don Majcowski(sp?) and Lynn Dickey were both better than Flynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomdayfan Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Don Majkowski, from Depew....the last quarterback to start a game for the Pack before Brett Favre's streak. And he should be in their top 5. I wonder how many other sites like this are having discussions like this because of the Sun-Sentinel list. It shows how lucky teams are to have great quarterbacks who stay healthy and have long careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 good link. flutie 21-9. near the bottom in sack percentage. flutie used to be tough to watch sometimes, but i'll bet he had one of the lowest "3 and out" percentages of bills qbs as well. always seemed like he moved the chains a bit. big factor in our d being so good during that period. Doug Flutie squandered the best defense in franchise history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 GB Packers top 5: Favre Starr Rodgers Hasselbeck Flynn (I dont know any of the old timers but one of them is probably better than Flynn / Hasselbeck. How many teams even have 1 QB that is better than the top 3 guys on their list? That team has been blessed.. Hasselbeck? He had all of 30 passes as a Packer. Odd choice. Lynn Dickey seems to be #4: between those guys, it covers all but about ten years since 1956. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Rob Johnson had the best QB rating out of QBs who played at least 30 games on the Bills. Crazy. True, but it is more the Bills' team owned the Dolphins' team. I can't stand him (unpopular opinion alert) but if Kelly and Marino switched teams, would there be any dropoff? I hate to say it, but I won't be surprised if we won one of those SBs with redfaced Dan. The Bills had a much better team than the Fins. And since they retired, have any 2 teams had worse groups of QBs than both teams? I share this opinion. I love Kelly, but I can admit that Marino is a better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Ok, so I took their data and exported into Excel to play with QBs with over 300 attempts (don't know why I chose that number, I just did). I'm concentrating on rates and percentages, since we all know who our long lasting QBs were (totals). This is just for fun. QB Rating: Name Rate 1 Rob Johnson 85.5 2 Jim Kelly 84.4 3 Frank Reich 81.9 4 Doug Flutie 81.7 5 Drew Bledsoe 79.2 6 R. Fitzpatrick 78.3 7 Trent Edwards 76.8 8 J.P. Losman 75.6 9 Joe Ferguson 68.9 10 Todd Collins 68.5 Win Percentage: Name Win Pct 1 D. Lamonica 100.00% 2 Doug Flutie 70.00% 3 Jim Kelly 63.13% 4 Jack Kemp 57.79% 5 Frank Reich 50.00% 6 Drew Bledsoe 47.92% 7 Joe Ferguson 47.24% 8 Johnny Green 45.45% 9 Trent Edwards 43.75% 10 Todd Collins 41.18% Completion Percentage: Name Cmp% 1 Trent Edwards 60.9 2 Rob Johnson 60.5 3 Jim Kelly 60.1 4 R. Fitzpatrick 59.4 5 J.P. Losman 59.3 6 Drew Bledsoe 59.1 7 Frank Reich 58.9 8 Doug Flutie 56.3 9 Alex Van Pelt 54.9 10 Todd Collins 54.7 TD Percentage: Name TD% 1 Jim Kelly 5.0% 2 Frank Reich 4.8% 3 R. Fitzpatrick 4.5% 4 D. Lamonica 4.5% 5 Johnny Green 4.5% 6 Doug Flutie 4.4% 7 Joe Ferguson 4.3% 8 Rob Johnson 4.1% 9 Dennis Shaw 3.8% 10 Drew Bledsoe 3.6% Int Percentage: Name Int% 1 Rob Johnson 2.6% 2 Doug Flutie 2.8% 3 Drew Bledsoe 2.8% 4 Trent Edwards 3.1% 5 Frank Reich 3.2% 6 J.P. Losman 3.6% 7 Jim Kelly 3.7% 8 Todd Collins 3.7% 9 R. Fitzpatrick 3.9% 10 Johnny Green 4.2% Yards per Attempt (Classic): Name Y/A 1 Jim Kelly 7.4 2 Rob Johnson 7.2 3 Doug Flutie 7.1 4 D. Lamonica 7.1 5 Dennis Shaw 6.9 6 Jack Kemp 6.8 7 Frank Reich 6.7 8 R. Fitzpatrick 6.7 9 Drew Bledsoe 6.6 10 J.P. Losman 6.6 Yards per Game: Name Y/G 1 Jim Kelly 221.7 2 R. Fitzpatrick 211.6 3 Drew Bledsoe 211.5 4 Doug Flutie 194.4 5 Jack Kemp 172 6 Trent Edwards 168.8 7 Joe Ferguson 168.2 8 Rob Johnson 159.9 9 J.P. Losman 147.9 10 Dennis Shaw 139.7 PFR's Adjusted Net Yards Gained per Pass Attempt*: Name ANY/A 1 Doug Flutie 6.2 2 Jim Kelly 5.9 3 R. Fitzpatrick 5.2 4 Rob Johnson 5.1 5 Drew Bledsoe 5 6 Frank Reich 5 7 Trent Edwards 4.9 8 Joe Ferguson 4.5 9 J.P. Losman 4.4 10 Alex Van Pelt 4.3 *ANY/A - adjusted net yards per passing attempt: (pass yards + 20*(pass TD) - 45*(interceptions thrown) - sack yards)/(passing attempts + sacks). My note: This is a good indicator of how much production a QB puts out, imo. Sack Percentage: Name Sk% 1 Alex Van Pelt 3.8% 2 Doug Flutie 4.3% 3 R. Fitzpatrick 5.1% 4 Jack Kemp 5.8% 5 Jim Kelly 6.3% 6 Joe Ferguson 6.6% 7 Trent Edwards 6.9% 8 Drew Bledsoe 8.4% 9 Frank Reich 9.2% 10 Todd Collins 9.7% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) How do you even put Reich on the list? He had one amazing less than half of a game. Not arguing whether he should be on the list or not, but Kelly actually missed a fair amount of games with injuries and the Bills would have been up you know what river without a paddle without Reich. I remember in 1989, I took leave from Hawaii to see 3 straight games at home, wanting to see Kelly play, and Riech played all 3 because of an injury to Kelly. The Bills won all 3, including a monday night against the Rams, who were the last unbeaten team in the NFL at the time, and won in another comeback in a downpour. Edited May 17, 2012 by BuffBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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